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[quote=Chico23231;1105978][url]http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/nfl-draft-watch--senior-bowl-players-who-helped--hurt-themselves-194300834.html[/url]

Wrap up of the senior bowl practices and prospect analysis.[/quote]

Me likey....

[B]LSU OT La'el Collins[/B] — If he's not a top-15 or 20 pick, I'd be shocked. The week was exactly what scouts hoped to see. Collins stonewalled pass rushers all week, and his ability to play tackle and guard makes him an extremely safe prospect, too. Collins might not be a dominant, pile-driving force in the NFL, but it would be surprising to see him flop in the league.

[B]Duke OG Laken Tomlinson[/B] — If he didn't consistently hold up well in blocking drills and team work, Tomlinson would have earned high marks anyway for his character. Two teams we spoke with said he nailed his interviews with them, giving them the belief that he'll be a set-and-forget starter at guard for the better part of a decade. Defensive lineman Danny Shelton got him once or twice, but Tomlinson held up very well all week.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1105993]Me likey....

[B]LSU OT La'el Collins[/B] — If he's not a top-15 or 20 pick, I'd be shocked. The week was exactly what scouts hoped to see. Collins stonewalled pass rushers all week, and his ability to play tackle and guard makes him an extremely safe prospect, too. Collins might not be a dominant, pile-driving force in the NFL, but it would be surprising to see him flop in the league.

[B]Duke OG Laken Tomlinson[/B] — If he didn't consistently hold up well in blocking drills and team work, Tomlinson would have earned high marks anyway for his character. Two teams we spoke with said he nailed his interviews with them, giving them the belief that he'll be a set-and-forget starter at guard for the better part of a decade. Defensive lineman Danny Shelton got him once or twice, but Tomlinson held up very well all week.[/quote]

this is another example of why trading down makes sense.If the Redskins add picks, they could get 5 - 10 rookies that contribute ......getting extra 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks would get you a Tomlinson, Orchard, etc.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1105995]this is another example of why trading down makes sense.If the Redskins add picks, they could get 5 - 10 rookies that contribute ......getting extra 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks would get you a Tomlinson, Orchard, etc.[/quote] It always make sense to trade down but this team needs some impact players. We can't afford to leave the next Aldon Smith or JJ Watt on board to acquire career back ups.

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[quote=redskinsfan1980;1105996]It always make sense to trade down but this team needs some impact players. We can't afford to leave the next Aldon Smith or JJ Watt on board to acquire career back ups.[/quote]

career back ups ? The Redskins need 4 DBs, 4 OL, 2 DL, 2 LBs, and more - good draft picks will start

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JJ Watt was drafted 11th overall and Aldon Smith was drafted 7th, to use redskinsfan1980's examples. We can trade back and still get a guy like that. It's not like the only elite players in the draft are in the top 5.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1105998]career back ups ? The Redskins need 4 DBs, 4 OL, 2 DL, 2 LBs, and more - good draft picks will start[/quote]
Do you think we're going to get all of that in just one draft? Do you think we're going to get half of that is one draft? I don't think we are. As I said, it makes sense to trade back, however, leaving a future star on the board should not be an option. If it's a guy at five that we believe can be a dominate force on one of our fronts I say draft him. I don't think you leave a future star on the board for an extra 4th of 5th round pick. I'm not saying those picks are not important because they are. This team needs a huge upgrade of talent and I believe it's going to take a few drafts before we can get there.

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[quote=SirLK26;1106000]JJ Watt was drafted 11th overall and Aldon Smith was drafted 7th, to use redskinsfan1980's examples. We can trade back and still get a guy like that. It's not like the only elite players in the draft are in the top 5.[/quote] We could have drafted JJ Watt but we decided to trade back. We got Kerrigan, but lets be real, he'll never be as good as Watt. Jarvis Jenkins and Leonard Hankerson are career back ups at best. My point was that you can't leave those type of impact players on the board. If we see the next JJ Watt sitting there at 5. We take him at 5. If we see another guy that we believe can be a dynamic player that will likely be there at 15, then trading back will make a lot of sense. We shouldn't just trade back for the sake of trading back.

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[quote=redskinsfan1980;1106002]Do you think we're going to get all of that in just one draft? Do you think we're going to get half of that is one draft? I don't think we are. As I said, it makes sense to trade back, however, leaving a future star on the board should not be an option. If it's a guy at five that we believe can be a dominate force on one of our fronts I say draft him. I don't think you leave a future star on the board for an extra 4th of 5th round pick. I'm not saying those picks are not important because they are. This team needs a huge upgrade of talent and I believe it's going to take a few drafts before we can get there.[/quote]

In the 2014 draft, 3 of the top 4 (in the rookie of the year voting) were [B]not top 10 picks[/B] A top 5 pick is no guarantee of an impact player - in fact several are major busts. The Redskins have made plenty of mistakes drafting "career back ups", however there is a chance the new staff will make better picks..... and they need as many picks as they can get. They need 5+ contributors from the draft, as well as a solid 5 free-agents. Then they will have a chance for a decent year, and a promising future.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1106004]In the 2014 draft, 3 of the top 4 (in the rookie of the year voting) were [B]not top 10 picks[/B] A top 5 pick is no guarantee of an impact player - in fact several are major busts. The Redskins have made plenty of mistakes drafting "career back ups", however there is a chance the new staff will make better picks..... and they need as many picks as they can get. They need 5+ contributors from the draft, as well as a solid 5 free-agents. Then they will have a chance for a decent year, and a promising future.[/quote] I think you're completely missing the point once again. I'm not saying we have to draft a guy in the top five or the top ten to get an impact player. What I am saying that if we see a guy at five that SM believes will be the next Aldon Smith or JJ Watt we should draft him.

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[quote=redskinsfan1980;1106005]I think you're completely missing the point once again. I'm not saying we have to draft a guy in the top five or the top ten to get an impact player. What I am saying that if we see a guy at five that SM believes will be the next Aldon Smith or JJ Watt we should draft him.[/quote]

I understand completely, my point is there are plenty of definite impact players like Jamarcus Russell.... if SM uses the #5 pick he better be right - he will probably be offered 3 or 4 high picks for it

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[quote=Irrefutable;1106007]I understand completely, my point is there are plenty of definite impact players like Jamarcus Russell.... if SM uses the #5 pick he better be right - he will probably be offered 3 or 4 high picks for it[/quote] If you understood my point why are you still talking about it? I'm for trading back, but I'm not for leaving superstars on the board for the sake of trading back. That was my point.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1105948]I can't believe you're putting Baby Jesus and Winston in the same sentence. What you're forgetting to mention is Winston actually throws w/ great anticipation. He makes all of the throws with ease. You can't teach the talent he has. He's a passer first and not a thrower.

It's going to come down to whether or not he can grow the F up and act like a pro. I'd have no problem taking him, sitting him for a year and let him learn the ropes.[/quote]

Some young college kids are immature. Winston is ASININE. I hope we don't draft him. He may have all the talent in the world, but someone who acts like a jabrony all the time and gets coddled by FSU does not sit well with me. What sane, rational DI starting quarterback has ever stolen crab legs and stood on a table and screamed profanities at a student council meeting?!? Dude is a couple burritos short of a taco stand if you ask me.

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[quote=redskinsfan1980;1106009]If you understood my point why are you still talking about it? I'm for trading back, but I'm not for leaving superstars on the board for the sake of trading back. That was my point.[/quote]

thank you Einstein

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[quote=Irrefutable;1105998] The Redskins need 4 DBs, 4 OL, 2 DL, 2 LBs, and more - good draft picks will start[/quote]


This guy is a local and a Skins fan where (round ) would you draft him ?

[url=http://walterfootball.com/draft2015CB.php]WalterFootball.com: 2015 NFL Draft: Cornerback Rankings[/url]

Ronald Darby*, CB, Florida State
Height: 5-11. Weight: 195.
Projected 40 Time: 4.45.
Projected Round (2015): 1-3.
12/15/14: Darby has 37 tackles with four passes broken up this year and has been a solid contributor on special teams as well. He played well against Oklahoma State in the season opener, but had a mixed outing against Clemson. Darby has been a reliable cover corner for the Seminoles. He has good speed and athleticism to run with receivers to prevent separation. Darby also is put together well so receivers can't push him around. His receivers rarely ever get open.

8/27/14: Darby impressed in 2012 with eight passes broken up, 22 tackles and a forced fumble. He had four passes broken up and two interceptions in 2013, but only 14 tackles. With Lamarcus Joyner in the NFL, Darby could take over nickel corner duties for the Seminoles. He has some natural cover-corner skills.

Darby had a part in the Jameis Winston rape investigation. Winston wasn't charged, but Darby was said to be a witness. Darby could have been punished for underage drinking and recording someone without their consent, but the school decided not to punish any of the three players involved.

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People want us to draft Winston ??
Sighh..........

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[quote=Chico23231;1105978][url]http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/nfl-draft-watch--senior-bowl-players-who-helped--hurt-themselves-194300834.html[/url]

Wrap up of the senior bowl practices and prospect analysis.[/quote]



Norfolk State OLB Lynden Trail — Built like a Range Rover, the 6-foot-6, 260-pound Trail overcame poor practice habits at Florida, where coaches Will Muschamp and Dan Quinn called him out, and moved to Norfolk, where he dominated. On Wednesday, he was agile in staying step for step covering tight ends, and on Thursday he had a huge day: Not only did he make a terrific interception in the red zone, showing some Julius Peppers-esque ball skills, but Trail also lined up at tight end (where he played some in college) and looked natural catching the ball. Trail is confident and supremely athletic, and he might not make it out of Day 2. He said he feels his best position is at outside 'backer, moving in space and running free to make plays all over the field.

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[quote=Giantone;1106025]This guy is a local and a Skins fan where (round ) would you draft him ?

[url=http://walterfootball.com/draft2015CB.php]WalterFootball.com: 2015 NFL Draft: Cornerback Rankings[/url]

Ronald Darby*, CB, Florida State
Height: 5-11. Weight: 195.
Projected 40 Time: 4.45.
Projected Round (2015): 1-3.
12/15/14: Darby has 37 tackles with four passes broken up this year and has been a solid contributor on special teams as well. He played well against Oklahoma State in the season opener, but had a mixed outing against Clemson. Darby has been a reliable cover corner for the Seminoles. He has good speed and athleticism to run with receivers to prevent separation. Darby also is put together well so receivers can't push him around. His receivers rarely ever get open.

8/27/14: Darby impressed in 2012 with eight passes broken up, 22 tackles and a forced fumble. He had four passes broken up and two interceptions in 2013, but only 14 tackles. With Lamarcus Joyner in the NFL, Darby could take over nickel corner duties for the Seminoles. He has some natural cover-corner skills.

Darby had a part in the Jameis Winston rape investigation. Winston wasn't charged, but Darby was said to be a witness. Darby could have been punished for underage drinking and recording someone without their consent, but the school decided not to punish any of the three players involved.[/quote]

I would prefer his teammate PJ Williams

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[quote=Irrefutable;1106024]thank you Einstein[/quote] Do you disagree?

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[quote=redskinsfan1980;1106009]If you understood my point why are you still talking about it? I'm for trading back, but I'm not for leaving superstars on the board for the sake of trading back. That was my point.[/quote]

It's obvious that if there's a "superstar" on the board you don't trade back. But you hardly ever know. No one knew about Watt or everyone would've been trying to trade up to #1 or #2.

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[quote=Defensewins;1106028]Norfolk State OLB Lynden Trail — Built like a Range Rover, the 6-foot-6, 260-pound Trail overcame poor practice habits at Florida, where coaches Will Muschamp and Dan Quinn called him out, and moved to Norfolk, where he dominated. On Wednesday, he was agile in staying step for step covering tight ends, and on Thursday he had a huge day: Not only did he make a terrific interception in the red zone, showing some Julius Peppers-esque ball skills, but Trail also lined up at tight end (where he played some in college) and looked natural catching the ball. Trail is confident and supremely athletic, and he might not make it out of Day 2. He said he feels his best position is at outside 'backer, moving in space and running free to make plays all over the field.[/quote]

Yeah I'm starting to like this guy, would be a nice pickup in the later rounds.

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[quote=redskinsfan1980;1106035]Do you disagree?[/quote]

He PM'd me that he disagrees......

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Well, did we expect something different?

[url=http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12179331/how-many-players-away-super-bowl-team]The missing pieces: How many players away from the Super Bowl was each team?[/url]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1106063]Well, did we expect something different?

[url=http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12179331/how-many-players-away-super-bowl-team]The missing pieces: How many players away from the Super Bowl was each team?[/url][/quote]

At least the skins aren't last.

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Our two huge problems. We undersized and lack talent in the trenches. On the offensive side of the ball, teams had a lot of success against our offensive line, specifically, the interior. It common to see DL hitting Morris five yards deep in the back field. I'm sure we all can agree, that without RG3 out there, our running game was non existent. Teams did a good job of applying pressure on our qbs. I'm not going to put all the sacks on the OL. However, teams were able to apply pressure from the edges and straight up the middle.

Our receivers are way to small to run the WCO. We have tons of speed with no size. This puts pressure on our qbs to make perfect throws. We can't create any mismatches. Teams with good safeties and big corners will always give us problems. In the redzone where size is far more value than speed we're seriously lacking.

On the defensive side of the ball I don't really know were to start. Our DL consistently gets pushed around. There is not one difference maker. Our pass rusher is mediocre at best. A lot of people give our corners a lot of flack, but to be honest, they could never be as bad as our safeties. Both Ryan Clark and Brandon Merriweather need to retire.

How do we get on the right track? The first thing we have to do is address our defensive front seven. We have to draft OLB, NT, DE, of ILB. Find the best player at one of these positions. I would prefer an OLB or NT. With the fifth pick in the draft we'll have a lot of leverage. Not only can we address one of these position, but we can even trade back and still get an impact player. On the offensive side of the ball we have to address that interior line. There are some very talented centers and guards in this draft that will be available in the second round. It's going to be a long process. We're not going to be a great team overnight. However, I believe this where it starts.

Tomorrow I'm going to give you guys a list of players I like rounds 1-4.

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[quote=redskinsfan1980;1106076]Our two huge problems. We undersized and lack talent in the trenches. On the offensive side of the ball, teams had a lot of success against our offensive line, specifically, the interior. It common to see DL hitting Morris five yards deep in the back field. I'm sure we all can agree, that without RG3 out there, our running game was non existent. Teams did a good job of applying pressure on our qbs. I'm not going to put all the sacks on the OL. However, teams were able to apply pressure from the edges and straight up the middle.

Our receivers are way to small to run the WCO. We have tons of speed with no size. This puts pressure on our qbs to make perfect throws. We can't create any mismatches. Teams with good safeties and big corners will always give us problems. In the redzone where size is far more value than speed we're seriously lacking.

On the defensive side of the ball I don't really know were to start. Our DL consistently gets pushed around. There is not one difference maker. Our pass rusher is mediocre at best. A lot of people give our corners a lot of flack, but to be honest, they could never be as bad as our safeties. Both Ryan Clark and Brandon Merriweather need to retire.

How do we get on the right track? The first thing we have to do is address our defensive front seven. We have to draft OLB, NT, DE, of ILB. Find the best player at one of these positions. I would prefer an OLB or NT. With the fifth pick in the draft we'll have a lot of leverage. Not only can we address one of these position, but we can even trade back and still get an impact player. On the offensive side of the ball we have to address that interior line. There are some very talented centers and guards in this draft that will be available in the second round. It's going to be a long process. We're not going to be a great team overnight. However, I believe this where it starts.

Tomorrow I'm going to give you guys a list of players I like rounds 1-4.[/quote]

Not to mention they also need a QB who can execute an offense efficiently.

So basically no Oline, No QB, No Defensive line, No real depth at Linebacker, Corners aren't terrible but not good, and safeties god awful.

I think the better question should be what the Skins actually have.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1106063]Well, did we expect something different?

[url=http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12179331/how-many-players-away-super-bowl-team]The missing pieces: How many players away from the Super Bowl was each team?[/url][/quote]

You can't tell the fans this. They think we are one player away.

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while yes we are certainly more than one player and significant moves in the Front office yet to be made...the turn around in this league can happen rather quickly. Just look at our division year run a couple years ago, nobody could have predicted that

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Two weeks ago I made my pick for the Skins at 5. Danny Shelton.... and now he's blowing up. Im awesome. I also said the skins should pick Seastrunk too soo...... :/

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[quote=NC_Skins;1106080]You can't tell the fans this. They think we are one player away.[/quote]

You know the fans so well.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1106063]Well, did we expect something different?

[url=http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12179331/how-many-players-away-super-bowl-team]The missing pieces: How many players away from the Super Bowl was each team?[/url][/quote]

This list is seriously flawed. You can't come up with a reasonable analysis based purely on crunching numbers for a single season using factors that may or may not be valid. Common sense needs to come into play, as well.

To use a specific example, to call Alfred Morris a bad player defies common sense. Beyond that, the authors are trying to tell us that Trent Williams and DeSean Jackson are average players. No way is that the case.

I realize that our roster isn't nearly Super Bowl quality, but neither is this analysis.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1106063]Well, did we expect something different?

[URL="http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12179331/how-many-players-away-super-bowl-team"]The missing pieces: How many players away from the Super Bowl was each team?[/URL][/quote]
I am on record some time ago with 10 and I stand by it to the....death

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[quote=SkinzWin;1106012]Some young college kids are immature. Winston is ASININE. I hope we don't draft him. He may have all the talent in the world, but someone who acts like a jabrony all the time and gets coddled by FSU does not sit well with me. [B]What sane, rational DI starting quarterback has ever stolen crab legs and stood on a table and screamed profanities at a student council meeting?!? [/B]Dude is a couple burritos short of a taco stand if you ask me.[/quote]

I don't think any QB that I can remember, especially a Heisman winner, that has done this kind of thing. No question, Winston is an idiot. Boom or bust prospect.

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Not sure if anyone has mentioned Denzel Perryman (ILB, Miami) ... This guy is a beast!!! He's projected to go 2-3 round of the draft. I would love to see us grab him in the 3rd if he's still available. Check out his highlights

[url]https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=beChRWODiSI[/url]

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[quote=dej733;1106311]Not sure if anyone has mentioned Denzel Perryman (ILB, Miami) ... This guy is a beast!!! He's projected to go 2-3 round of the draft. I would love to see us grab him in the 3rd if he's still available. Check out his highlights

[url]https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=beChRWODiSI[/url][/quote]

Been a fan for years. I think he could be good player, no problem with him being a Redskin

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[quote=NC_Skins;1106080]You can't tell the fans this. They think we are one player away.[/quote]

That's GD RIGHT. What if we cloned the best parts of the greatest players into one super-mega-unstoppable player? What then huh?

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I'm looking through OLB draft profiles some nice late round picks Za'Darius Smith & Lynden Trail. The release of OLB coach Baker is puzzling.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1106986]I'm looking through OLB draft profiles some nice late round picks Za'Darius Smith & Lynden Trail. [B]The release of OLB coach Baker is puzzling.[/B][/quote]

It appears that Barry intends to be that guy, like last year when our OC was also our QB coach.

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[quote=Lotus;1106987]It appears that Barry intends to be that guy, like last year when our OC was also our QB coach.[/quote]

Yeah why couldn't we have a coach that just works on pass rush.

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Some non first round picks I would like if they were Redskins:

Jalen Collins CB, LSU
Duke Johnson RB, Miami
Maxx Williams TE, Minnesota
Shaq Thompson LB, Washington
Ameer Abdullah RB, Nebraska
T.J. Yeldon RB, Alabama
Gerod Holliman, S, Louisville
Jeremy Langford RB, Michigan St.
Nick O'Leary TE, Florida State

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Some non first round players I'm looking at.

Eli Harold, Virginia OLB
Daryl Williams, Oklahoma OT
Jake Fisher, Oregon OT
Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma NT
Carl Davis, Iowa NT
Ellis McCarthy, UCLA NT
Terry Williams, East Carolina NT
Christian Covington, Rice 3-4 DE
Henry Anderson, Stanford 3-4 DE