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[quote=Chico23231;1131025]Oh...so ignorance is an acceptable excuse?

psshhh jeez. wake up[/quote]

No I didn't say that. I whole heartedly agree with you, but you have to put them all together we are a globalized society and the global leadership needs to be held accountable. I don't think Obama has done a great job with ISIS but I think Europe and the rest of the world has done just as piss poor of a job.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1131024]Oh you! Stop making sense. There is NO place for it in this thread. Please speak only in absolutes and hyperbole.[/quote]

You don't think the phrase "getting rid a every gun" is hyperbole. Who has ever said that? There is not a single politician in national office that would do this.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1131023]I think you can lump every leader in the developed world in together, until the Paris attack security agencies through Europe, North America and Japan did not consider ISIS as a valid terror threat.[/quote]

Sorry, no. True, they were more of a regional force before Paris, but, they have long been seen as a potential threat. From a Brooking Institute Op Ed. a year ago.

[quote]A real threat must have three attributes: intent, capability, and opportunity. Clearly, ISIS has the intent, declaring that the black flag of ISIS will fly over the White House. It also has the capability. Suicide bombers are not the most tactically advanced weapons, but their utility has been demonstrated for decades in the Middle East. That leaves opportunity, and the coalition of nations committed to defeating ISIS is in place to harden the Western target and diminish the chances of attack. Consequently, ISIS is only a threat if America stands by and lets it be a threat. When we stop fighting, however, we allow their fighters a chance to plan overseas operations and focus on a conceptual threat (the West) instead of daily threats at home.[/quote]

[url=http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/up-front/posts/2014/11/07-big-questions-islamic-state-threat-hein]The Big Questions on ISIS | Brookings Institution[/url]

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It was obviously a phrase used for what would be the most extreme "solution".

This is the problem, there was literally nothing about anything I said that should have been taken as any type of stance on the overall subject of gun-control. I doubt you have any idea where I stand on this issue. But a simple turn of phrase used as a device brought forth a Pavlovian response. As Aaron Rodgers would say "Relax".

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1131026]No I didn't say that. I whole heartedly agree with you, but you have to put them all together we are a globalized society and the global leadership needs to be held accountable. I don't think Obama has done a great job with ISIS but I think Europe and the rest of the world has done just as piss poor of a job.[/quote]

I do tend to agree with this... I would say that I'd like to think the US should be out in front leading on this but alas we're not. It seems the world doesn't get much done security wise without us leading the way.

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[quote=Chico23231;1131017]Why would a wife drop off her own 6 mo old baby to help rectify a workplace grievance?

Wake the fuck up folk...can't bye what this president is trying to sell you. He is trying to cover his ass on the poor ass job he is doing.[/quote]

I was going to wash my car, but it rained today. God damn Obama, his administration just lets the clouds piss on us, because the clouds don't respect him.

Also it is his fault Firefly got canceled and I am pretty sure he kidnapped the Lindbergh baby.

And no I am not just crazy and pushing blame on a president because he wasn't who I wanted.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1131026]No I didn't say that. I whole heartedly agree with you, but you have to put them all together we are a globalized society and the global leadership needs to be held accountable. I don't think Obama has done a great job with ISIS but I think Europe and the rest of the world has done just as piss poor of a job.[/quote]

Okay. I agree with you. Didn't see this until after the prior post.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1131028]Sorry, no. True, they were more of a regional force before Paris, but, they have long been seen as a potential threat. From a Brooking Institute Op Ed. a year ago.



[url=http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/up-front/posts/2014/11/07-big-questions-islamic-state-threat-hein]The Big Questions on ISIS | Brookings Institution[/url][/quote]

Joe, ISIS has been on the radar of our government for a very long time and our response has been extremely poor. If you look at the history, it developed out of the insurgency/secular civil war in Iraq after the removal of Hussain. A lot of the big players were actually housed together in a large jail and were actually broken out and set free (I forget the name of the jail and I believed it happened round 2008 or 2009?). The argument that ISIS is a new thing is quite an insult to our intelligence community and state department. I think most people think this started when the new caliphate was announced...including this administration.

The Obama administration had no viable strategy developed to deal with this situation. When ISIS broke out of Syria, he sat back and did nothing.

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[quote=Hijinx;1131031]I was going to wash my car, but it rained today. God damn Obama, his administration just lets the clouds piss on us, because the clouds don't respect him.

Also it is his fault Firefly got canceled and I am pretty sure he kidnapped the Lindbergh baby.

And no I am not just crazy and pushing blame on a president because he wasn't who I wanted.[/quote]

Im an independent and I do support some gun control issues that should be executed.

But this thread is about terrorism

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[quote=FRPLG;1131029]It was obviously a phrase used for what would be the most extreme "solution".

This is the problem, there was literally nothing about anything I said that should have been taken as any type of stance on the overall subject of gun-control. I doubt you have any idea where I stand on this issue. But a simple turn of phrase used as a device brought forth a Pavlovian response. As Aaron Rodgers would say "Relax".[/quote]

^^ What he said.

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html]San Bernardino shooter tied to ISIS - CNN.com[/url]

Pledged alliance to ISIS...k so lets still remember what the administration narrative: focus on gun control and a "mixed motive" of workplace violence

Everyone remember Bengahzi narrative after the terrorist attack:

The Obama administration clung for weeks to the story that it was Muslims upset over the video who spontaneously rioted in Benghazi, killing Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three others. U[B].N. Ambassador Susan Rice made the claim on five morning news shows the Sunday after the attack[/B].

Folks, we have patterns...everyone know that dumb b*tch Susan Rice is now top us national security advisor?

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chico - serious question. what difference does it make if Obama said benghazi was a "terrorist attack" vs "act of terror" within 24 hours of benghazi happening?

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The Facts

Immediately after the attack, the president three times used the phrase “act of terror” in public statements:

“No [B]acts of terror[/B] will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.”

— Obama, Rose Garden, Sept. 12

“We want to send a message all around the world — anybody who would do us harm: No [B]act of terror[/B] will dim the light of the values that we proudly shine on the rest of the world, and no act of violence will shake the resolve of the United States of America.”

— Obama, campaign event in Las Vegas, Sept. 13

“I want people around the world to hear me: To all those who would do us harm, [B]no act of terror[/B] will go unpunished. It will not dim the light of the values that we proudly present to the rest of the world. No act of violence shakes the resolve of the United States of America.”

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obamas-claim-he-called-benghazi-an-act-of-terrorism/2013/05/13/7b65b83e-bc14-11e2-97d4-a479289a31f9_blog.html[/url]

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[quote=Hijinx;1131031]I was going to wash my car, but it rained today. God damn Obama, his administration just lets the clouds piss on us, because the clouds don't respect him.

Also it is his fault Firefly got canceled and I am pretty sure he kidnapped the Lindbergh baby.

And no I am not just crazy and pushing blame on a president because he wasn't who I wanted.[/quote]

It amazes me that you know who Chico wanted as president. Perhaps Chico's frustration is actually caused by the current President's own actions. That is a possibility right?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1131042]It amazes me that you know who Chico wanted as president. Perhaps Chico's frustration is actually caused by the current President's own actions. That is a possibility right?[/quote]

Not if you read Chico's posts. Everything bad on this planet is Obama's fault. He literally has a psychological problem and should be seen by a therapist. I am not saying this to be mean or attack him, this type of fixation can be really dangerous.

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[quote=Hijinx;1131043]Not if you read Chico's posts. Everything bad on this planet is Obama's fault. He literally has a psychological problem and should be seen by a therapist. I am not saying this to be mean or attack him, this type of fixation can be really dangerous.[/quote]

I tend to see it more as the fact that the President has been in office for 8 years, and so most issues that occur on a national, or global, scale do fall at the President of the US's feet. If you don't want that responsibility, don't run for the office. There is only one person who can authorize military action with his signature, and there is only one person who can with a swipe of a pen, bring the full force of the US government to bear on a subject.

[quote]"One of the things that I will be emphasizing in this meeting is the fact that we are not just going to be waiting for legislation in order to make sure that we are providing Americans the kind of help that they need," he said. "I’ve got a pen, and I’ve got a phone."[/quote]

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Im very passionate about this issue...terrorism and especially ISIS because I seriously think these atrocities by these folks will go down along with the Nazi regime as the worst ever committed. So many innocent...and our finger prints are all over the cause of why/how.

And I feel it was our responsibility in a way to at least do more when Iraq border was breached by isis. Allowing them to dig in and essentially establish their caliphate in Syria and Iraq has led not only to the slaughter of 10s of thousands but essential give these people a safe area to collect folks to train them, harden them as fighters and then send them all over the world. This shouldn't be surprising.

We had options to establish a no fly zone, we had options to arm the Permerhga and the Yaidiz, we had options to start a bombing campaign immediately, we had options to engage Turkey earlier, we had options to send special forces earlier...etc.

Our inaction have help allow the downing of a Russian plane, the bombing in Beruit, the Paris attacks and now California...folks this should come as no surprise. These escalations have been well scripted.

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chico is cool, hes passionate. he also will let his opinion of things evolve over time and not be too egotistical to stick to his initial stance. he used to not like cousins and now he does to a good extent.

i have zero hope that he will ever not HATE gruden though. lol.

chico, why do you hate gruden soo much man? lol

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[quote=Hijinx;1131043]Not if you read Chico's posts. Everything bad on this planet is Obama's fault. He literally has a psychological problem and should be seen by a therapist. I am not saying this to be mean or attack him, this type of fixation can be really dangerous.[/quote]

I agree with a majority of Obama care, I support the Presidents in getting this economy back up and running in a better fashion. I think he is actually a cool guy.

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[quote=Hijinx;1130983]Oh wow!! [U]The Mint News Press[/U] that is some well respected writing right there. You basically threw out a couple hundred word opinion piece, that doesn't site any sources on his made up "facts". All wrapped up and put of a right wing conspiracy site. BTW love this article [URL="http://www.mintpressnews.com/trump-says-he-saw-muslims-celebrating-on-911-but-he-was-wrong-it-was-israeli-mossad-agents/211748/"]here[/URL]. It says Trump was right. People were dancing in the streets during 9/11, only it was Mossad Agents. Seems legit.[/quote]



No , he wasn't. There were a few people who did but sure as hell not the thousands Trump screamed about and sure as hell not in Jersey City.

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[quote=FRPLG;1131022]This is not a comment on gun control which I think is such a hairy subject that we may never solve in this country but...

Guns don't cause this stuff to happen. Guns are the tool not the cause. Instead of both sides using this tragedy as a reason to bolster their case we need to focus on WHY THIS CRAP HAPPENS. I've never seen a real discussion led by adults on how to stop this stuff. It strikes me that simply getting rid a every gun (a complete impossibility anyways) is like cutting off your nose to cure congestion. We need to treat the causes not the symptoms.[/quote]

Holt Shit, there is NO room for this type of wisdom in a tread like this!!!
We as a society/culture/world will have to lose the PC brainwash, learn to look with clear eyes (as FRPLG has said) at a given problem. Call it what it is without regard for who it disturbs and call BS on our leaders that want to do otherwise.
Deal with it harshly if necessary. Our world as we know it is in danger of going away.

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I think that's a nice thought by FRPLG, and in such a world of bubble gum roads and gum drop trees, I'm sure we'll be able to figure out the reason why some people are evil and we'll be able to rid those people of their evil thoughts by sitting around a campfire holding hands and making s'mores.

That's the fucking cause: some people are just evil and cannot be reasoned with. You're not going to address the cause. Addressing the tools is all you can do.

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[quote=Schneed10;1131058]I think that's a nice thought by FRPLG, and in such a world of bubble gum roads and gum drop trees, I'm sure we'll be able to figure out the reason why some people are evil and we'll be able to rid those people of their evil thoughts by sitting around a campfire holding hands and making s'mores.

That's the fucking cause: [B]some people are just evil and cannot be reasoned with.[/B] You're not going to address the cause. Addressing the tools is all you can do.[/quote]

In that case exterminate them with no more thought than you would give a......cock roach

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[quote=Schneed10;1131058]I think that's a nice thought by FRPLG, and in such a world of bubble gum roads and gum drop trees, I'm sure we'll be able to figure out the reason why some people are evil and we'll be able to rid those people of their evil thoughts by sitting around a campfire holding hands and making s'mores.

That's the fucking cause: some people are just evil and cannot be reasoned with. You're not going to address the cause. Addressing the tools is all you can do.[/quote]

Yeah some are evil...some are just stuck in hopeless situations where they are vunerable and lost. They need something in there life and along comes a fanatic with religious ideology who can give them a purpose. This dope in California had a good life and chose to marry someone from Pakistan who was a Islamic terrorist. I hope they find her family in Pakistan and send a predator drone their way.

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[quote=Hog1;1131059]In that case exterminate them with no more thought than you would give a......cock roach[/quote]

That is indeed exactly the way we should be treating anybody who declares support for ISIS. We should have a war mentality with that entire organization, which includes going into Syria and killing them, and arresting anybody who declares support for them here in the US and charging them with treason.

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[quote=Schneed10;1131068]That is indeed exactly the way we should be treating anybody who declares support for ISIS. We should have a war mentality with that entire organization, which includes going into Syria and killing them, and arresting anybody who declares support for them here in the US and charging them with treason.[/quote]


I thought we tried that and thanks to people like Snowden an others we have to close place's like Guantanamo Bay,we can spy but only when it makes feel good and only when we let everyone "KNOW" we are doing it.:confused?:

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[quote=Giantone;1131084]I thought we tried that and thanks to people like Snowden an others we have to close place's like Guantanamo Bay,we can spy but only when it makes feel good and only when we let everyone "KNOW" we are doing it.:confused?:[/quote]
Well.....yes, we will have to continue our...War On Terrorism!!!
.....without hurting anyone feelings
.....being mean to anybody
.....without violating anyone's...rights?
.....Without risk of being labeled racist, anti-semite, ne'er do well
......Without sinister acts like profiling
AND, without any kind of common sense as well...
no problem

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Cnn had a quote from Obama in early 2014 calling Isis a "jv" team when it came to terrorism. Said that what him and his international advisors called Isis..said it was a running joke.

That's what he said in an interview to the New Yorker magazine.

What a damn fool.

I'm glad he will address it finally tonight, but this is more reactive than proactive. That how he leads unfortunately

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[url=http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/those-jamokes-in-oregon-arent-terrorists-theyre-jamoke-1750918911]Those Jamokes In Oregon Aren't Terrorists, They're Jamokes[/url]

These folks in Oregon are freakin jokes. These fucks need something to do.

What a damn hypocrite: [url=http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/01/ammon-bundy-oregon-protest-sba-loan]How the Leader of the Oregon Armed Protest Benefited From a Federal Loan Program | Mother Jones[/url]

This guy had zero problem taking a fed loan which cost tax payers 22,000. What a fucking joke.

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^ Bunch of yahoos who want to play guns in the woods.

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[quote=MTK;1136117]^ Bunch of yahoos who want to play guns in the woods.[/quote]

I guess in that part of Oregon there really isn't nothing out there but deer and rabbit turds, chicken shit should fit right in.

The media and the government (local and fed) should just let these guys stay out there and give them no attention.

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The guy is such a fraud, I'm anti-gov't but I'll take your gov't assistance. Of course you will jackass. I'm still not clear on what they are trying to accomplish with this pathetic takeover of an unmanned bird sanctuary.

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There is so much BS in their objectives it's not even funny. Federal land has designated uses and controls. I don't like entrance fees to the NPS tough shit I can't go. I don't want logging companies to log in National Forests tough shit they are crops for logging companies.

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[IMG]http://cdn.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/05164228/ted-cruz-obama-guns-small-816x563.jpg[/IMG]

^^^ Ted Cruz propaganda poster

[IMG]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d6/98/ea/d698ea994069f2ad7e680d22f95409ce.jpg[/IMG]

^^^ north korea propaganda poster

good luck winning the electoral with this kind of cheap fear-selling approach. Thankfully, only 45% of our country is made up of dumb, gun clutching end-of-days conspiracy nuts.

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Your actually quite the.......profiler.

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[quote=Hog1;1136183]Your actually quite the.......profiler.[/quote]

I try to pretend im not ... but i am. i read to many conservative news outlets.

but come on man - that cruz poster is pretty sad pandering.

Domestic terrorism
 

If Obama wanted our guns he sure is waiting till the last minute to do it. It's just ridiculous.

Every time they ramp up this he's coming fer yer gunz shit surprise surprise, gun sales go up. So there's no wonder why they love to fear monger this subject.

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apparently closing the background check loophole for gunshows is "taking away your guns." even when 80%+ of the population supports it. I wish the national level of the NRA wasn't so extreme and served its human membership better than the literal guns they actually seem to represent.

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[url=http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/costs-consequences-gun-control]The Costs and Consequences of Gun Control | Cato Institute[/url]

If you would like to read some facts on gun control, I would suggest the above. I know facts are "kinda not cool" these days in the world of twitter and immediate emotional rants (thank you internet and see my above posts on the Oregon idiots), but gun control is a serious issue and long standing, worthwhile debate. This article takes a couple minutes and is up to date.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;1136256]apparently closing the background check loophole for gunshows is "taking away your guns." even when 80%+ of the population supports it. I wish the national level of the NRA wasn't so extreme and served its human membership better than the literal guns they actually seem to represent.[/QUOTE]


Most sensible gun owners are totally in favor of Obama's order. Even Bill O'Reilly supports it.

But if you listen to some of the talking heads it's the same old he's coming for your guns shit. Political posturing and fear mongering at its best.

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[quote=That Guy;1136256]apparently closing the background check loophole for gunshows is "taking away your guns." even when 80%+ of the population supports it. I wish the national level of the NRA wasn't so extreme and served its human membership better than the literal guns they actually seem to represent.[/quote]

For me the NRA is on the same level as PETA. Both prioritize their business over human lives. It doesn't matter how many gun deaths we have in this country, any law that tries to restrict guns is a bad thing according to them.