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[quote=Chico23231;1130718]Gruden has one road win in his tenure...sample is big enough to say this is a reasonable concern.[/quote]

If the question is whether we can stay in first place, it's kind of stupid to lump last year into it, isn't it? Different QB situation, different GM, it makes no sense.

Last year we weren't good enough to beat anybody and has really no bearing on our likelihood to stay in first place for the rest of this season.

We've got 3 road games remaining but they're not against strong teams like our games to date have been.

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[quote=Schneed10;1130723]If the question is whether we can stay in first place, it's kind of stupid to lump last year into it, isn't it? Different QB situation, different GM, it makes no sense.

Last year we weren't good enough to beat anybody and has really no bearing on our likelihood to stay in first place for the rest of this season.

We've got 3 road games remaining but they're not against strong teams like our games to date have been.[/quote]

I don't know if it makes no sense...I think its very noticeable fact of a team which has struggled and a coaching staff which quite frankly has been under whelming. Its about message, motivation, game plan with the coaching staff and.... with Cousins its all about keeping confidence being a leader.

check the bell curve too with the Pats and Panthers record, 2 best teams in the league no question with only 1 loss...kinda skewing the W-L record.

Cousins only road win starting a game was Cleveland in 2012...

Let me spin this: We been one of the best home teams this year...and protecting home is more important than on the road.

Lets see how we finish..its about improving at this point

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[quote=Chico23231;1130725]I don't know if it makes no sense...I think its very noticeable fact of a team which has struggled and a coaching staff which quite frankly has been under whelming. Its about message, motivation, game plan with the coaching staff and.... with Cousins its all about keeping confidence being a leader.

check the bell curve too with the Pats and Panthers record, 2 best teams in the league no question with only 1 loss...kinda skewing the W-L record.

Cousins only road win starting a game was Cleveland in 2012...

Let me spin this: We been one of the best home teams this year...and protecting home is more important than on the road.

Lets see how we finish..its about improving at this point[/quote]

OK so basically you're not saying much on topic. As usual.

This thread is not a referendum on Gruden's performance as head coach which you are wont to do, it's about first place. If you're going to talk about our ability to finish in first like we are right now, you have to look at our chances in the five games coming up, which includes the three on the road.

What I'm saying is simple. We've got a bad road record because our opponents have been New England, Carolina, New York Jets and Giants (we never play well in the Meadowlands), and Atlanta. The only one with a losing record is the Giants, and barely. Our upcoming road opponents are garbage in comparison.

The opponent is the much more meaningful factor than the location.

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With a headline/story like this: [url]http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/eli-manning-s-horrendous-game-makes-nfc-east-even-murkier-215012460.html[/url]

You'd think we had just upset a 7-3 NYG football team. The Giants were a 5-5 team, have looked just as mediocre as every other team in this division at times this season, yet the reaction to them losing on the road to the 'Skins seems to be disbelief against a lot of these sports writers.

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We're a better team than last year. At this point it's all we can ask for.

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In order to finish first we have to win on the road. As Schneed and I pointed out, that may not be the issue around our losses, as much as quality of our away opponents. But let me throw this out, mainly for Chico and others who put it on the coaching - At the beginning of the year we had several team based issues that Gruden was at fault for. Penalties, lack of motivation after the half, poor scheme, unable to win on the road, and prime time games.
I think that we've seen multiple games now where the Skins played all 4 quarters, and were able to come out motivated to win.
We certainly have reduced our penalties considerably from the first few games, and if we can get JReed to not grab jerseys it would really be a non-issue.
Scheme always will be in the eye of the beholder, but our offense does appear to be capable of consistently putting up points, and our redzone play is better imo.

so that really leaves the road issue and prime time games. I think we have seen the Skins chip away at these issues one piece at a time, and the last 5 games will offer chances to move past even more.

And IF we win the division, our first game likely will be against the Seahawks. Just one more hurdle for the Skins to get past.

Soon, I may start drinking the kool-aid again.

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[quote=Schneed10;1130727]OK so basically you're not saying much on topic. As usual.

This thread is not a referendum on Gruden's performance as head coach which you are wont to do, it's about first place. If you're going to talk about our ability to finish in first like we are right now, you have to look at our chances in the five games coming up, which includes the three on the road.

What I'm saying is simple. We've got a bad road record because our opponents have been New England, Carolina, New York Jets and Giants (we never play well in the Meadowlands), and Atlanta. The only one with a losing record is the Giants, and barely. Our upcoming road opponents are garbage in comparison.

The opponent is the much more meaningful factor than the location.[/quote]

Our performance on the road has been dreadful regardless of opponent. 4 of these were fucking blowouts...out coached and unprepared. In the Atlanta game we were mostly steaming pile on offense for 3 quarters.

Look gruden and cousins Have Not performed well on the road...this isn't speculation but historical fact. this is a hurdle the team needs to get over by winning...gruden and team needs to show me they can.

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I am of the opinion that we win the division with 8 wins, which means we have to win 3 of our last 5.

Dallas twice
Eagles
Bears
Bills

I see 5 "winnable" games right there, although I don't think we are the kind of team that is going to go out and pull off a table run kind of end to the season.

With the caliber of opponents left on our schedule I don't really think 4-1 is unreasonable to hope for. I wouldn't say "expect" but I do think the team is good enough to win each of these games looking at them individually and all these teams could be mentally checked out by the time we play them as well.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1130732]In order to finish first we have to win on the road. As Schneed and I pointed out, that may not be the issue around our losses, as much as quality of our away opponents. But let me throw this out, mainly for Chico and others who put it on the coaching - At the beginning of the year we had several team based issues that Gruden was at fault for. Penalties, lack of motivation after the half, poor scheme, unable to win on the road, and prime time games.
I think that we've seen multiple games now where the Skins played all 4 quarters, and were able to come out motivated to win.
We certainly have reduced our penalties considerably from the first few games, and if we can get JReed to not grab jerseys it would really be a non-issue.
Scheme always will be in the eye of the beholder, but our offense does appear to be capable of consistently putting up points, and our redzone play is better imo.

so that really leaves the road issue and prime time games. I think we have seen the Skins chip away at these issues one piece at a time, and the last 5 games will offer chances to move past even more.

And IF we win the division, our first game likely will be against the Seahawks. Just one more hurdle for the Skins to get past.

Soon, I may start drinking the kool-aid again.[/quote]

We still have those issues, just the Giants played worst and unispired. I think Gruden call more complex and deeper route plays last year. We move the ball better on the road last year than this year. We still got players getting stupid uniform fines, giving up 4th down completion, commenting basic stupid penalties, and not putting up more points. You ask me we better b/c we playing worse teams than last year

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1130718]Gruden has one road win in his tenure...sample is big enough to say this is a reasonable concern.[/QUOTE]


Lets read between the lines, shall we?
Last year he inherited an absolute dumpster fire. That team simply was not built to win games period - let alone on the road.
This year we have lost to 5 pretty good teams on the road. Giants, Jets, Panthers, Patriots, Falcons. That is one bitch of a road schedule.

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Bring our boy home again!!

Cowboys have waived RB Trey Williams.

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[quote=punch it in;1130756]Lets read between the lines, shall we?
Last year he inherited an absolute dumpster fire. That team simply was not built to win games period - let alone on the road.
This year we have lost to 5 pretty good teams on the road. Giants, Jets, Panthers, Patriots, Falcons. That is one bitch of a road schedule.[/quote]

Jesus man, it's the nfl. U think going into Chicago in December gonna be a breeze? What about back to back road games against division rivals to end the year...that gonna be a cake walk? Learning to win on the road shows growth...lets take the next step., I never said we couldn't do it, we just haven't yet.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1130756]Lets read between the lines, shall we?
Last year he inherited an absolute dumpster fire. That team simply was not built to win games period - let alone on the road.
This year we have lost to 5 pretty good teams on the road. Giants, Jets, Panthers, Patriots, Falcons. That is one bitch of a road schedule.[/QUOTE]


Should have won Falcons game. Anyway maybe they make up for it with one of these road games. Imo they need 2 of 3 road games.

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[quote=punch it in;1130756]Lets read between the lines, shall we?
Last year he inherited an absolute dumpster fire. That team simply was not built to win games period - let alone on the road.
This year we have lost to 5 pretty good teams on the road. Giants, Jets, Panthers, Patriots, Falcons. That is one bitch of a road schedule.[/quote]

The Skins have momentum right now and confidence. 5-3 in conference and 2-1 in the division. I would say in the last five games the only game I was disappointed and felt they were outclassed in every facet was the Carolina game.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1130761]Jesus man, it's the nfl. U think going into Chicago in December gonna be a breeze? What about back to back road games against division rivals to end the year...that gonna be a cake walk? Learning to win on the road shows growth...lets take the next step., I never said we couldn't do it, we just haven't yet.[/QUOTE]


I think you misread my post. I dont think division games on the road are ever easy. I dont think chicago is going to be easy. That was my point. . As i said i dont think any of our road games this year are easy. Quite the opposite. Its been a brutal road schedule by any teams standards. So do i think it is a "concern" that Gruden has not won on the road this year? No. I think its been a tough ass road schedule.
Edit: when they start dropping games to 2-3-4 win type teams than its a concern.

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[QUOTE=kingj;1130762]Should have won Falcons game. Anyway maybe they make up for it with one of these road games. Imo they need 2 of 3 road games.[/QUOTE]


Giants going 2-3 down the stretch beating the Dolphins n Eagles and losing to Carolina, Jets, and Vikings. Puts them at 7-9.
Skins imo can win out. Bills are probably the best team we face and it is a home game. Bears on the road even is tough but certainly winnable. Dallas twice and Philly. Fuck them. Lol. Funny thing is 7-9 could easily win this division.

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Chicago is not the same team it was a few weeks ago, they are much better. Forte is back, Lankford has proven to be the heir to Forte, Jeffries is back and their D is playing much better. If there's one team that worries me, it's the bears.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1130768]Chicago is not the same team it was a few weeks ago, they are much better. Forte is back, Lankford has proven to be the heir to Forte, Jeffries is back and their is playing much better. If there's one team that worries me, it's the bears.[/QUOTE]


Yeah i realize that. Its a toss up for me between the Bills n Bears.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1130768]Chicago is not the same team it was a few weeks ago, they are much better. Forte is back, Lankford has proven to be the heir to Forte, Jeffries is back and their D is playing much better. If there's one team that worries me, it's the bears.[/QUOTE]
True. But we aren't either. We are as healthy as we have been. And the team(by that I mean KC) is playing with confidence. Hopefully the Skins stay focused and take it to Dallas next Monday! Can't wait to hear Gruden call this one for ESPN.

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One thing that had me happy about Sunday's win over the NYG was the secondary. As banged up as the secondary was, they contributed to the win. I'm keeping my eye on the kid Dunbar.

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I guess Fewell is the genius behind the Dunbar conversion to CB:

--Give Washington secondary coach Perry Fewell credit. He hasn't had a full deck of cards with that unit since the second day of training camp when Bashaud Breeland was both suspended one game by the NFL and sustained a knee injury. Within a week Fewell was begging coach Jay Gruden to lend him wide receiver Quinton Dunbar, an undrafted rookie with little chance of making the roster.

Well, Dunbar did make the practice squad. But as a cornerback. That's how impressive he was during camp with long arms on a 6-foot-2 frame. Sunday, he intercepted Eli Manning in the end zone to help the Redskins to a 20-14 win. Add in injuries to Chris Culliver (torn ligaments, right knee), now lost for the season, and DeAngelo Hall (plantar plate tear, right toe), and a disastrous start from former second-round pick David Amerson, and Fewell's group could have fallen apart.

Instead, veteran Will Blackmon was brought in and has provided a stabilizing presence, and young players like Dunbar and Deshazor Everett have held their own. Rookie Kyshoen Jarrett has been a jack-of-all trades bouncing between safety and nickel corner. Somehow, it's all worked.

"(Fewell is) not a big yell-at-you, in-your-face type guy. He's more of a great, fundamental teacher," Gruden said. "And when you have great teachers like that -- (defensive coordinator) Joe Barry does a good job -- it makes the transition from one position to another pretty smooth.

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[url=http://m.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Redskins-Update-Depth-Chart-For-Week-13/1f25ae63-1759-492b-96dd-ce4c216a554a]Redskins Home[/url]

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[quote=53Fan;1130805][url=http://m.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Redskins-Update-Depth-Chart-For-Week-13/1f25ae63-1759-492b-96dd-ce4c216a554a]Redskins Home[/url][/quote]

Veteran DeAngelo Hall, who spent the first 13-plus years of his NFL career as one of the top cornerbacks in the league, where he was named a Pro Bowler three times, is now listed as the starter at the strong safety position. Listed behind him are Trenton Robinson and Jeron Johnson, although Robinson has not played the past two games with a hamstring injury.

-- That means Bashaud Breeland officially moves into Hall's spot as one of the top two cornerbacks, and Quinton Dunbar remains behind him. With Chris Culliver out for the year with a torn ACL and MCL, Will Blackmon is now officially listed as the starter at the other cornerback spot, with Deshazor Everett and Dashaun Phillips, who was signed to the active roster from the practice squad on Friday, behind him.


very interesting to see Hall at the SS starter...what a disappointment Jeron Johnson has been. I imagine Jarrett will continue at slot corner

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[quote=Chico23231;1130808]Veteran DeAngelo Hall, who spent the first 13-plus years of his NFL career as one of the top cornerbacks in the league, where he was named a Pro Bowler three times, is now listed as the starter at the strong safety position. Listed behind him are Trenton Robinson and Jeron Johnson, although Robinson has not played the past two games with a hamstring injury.

-- That means Bashaud Breeland officially moves into Hall's spot as one of the top two cornerbacks, and Quinton Dunbar remains behind him. With Chris Culliver out for the year with a torn ACL and MCL, Will Blackmon is now officially listed as the starter at the other cornerback spot, with Deshazor Everett and Dashaun Phillips, who was signed to the active roster from the practice squad on Friday, behind him.


very interesting to see Hall at the SS starter...what a disappointment Jeron Johnson has been. I imagine Jarrett will continue at slot corner[/quote]

I'm curious, I remember when we got Johnson the fan base (me included) got excited because we were taking a backup from the Legion of Boom and figuring that he might be very good, just stuck behind some great players in Chancellor and Earl Thomas.

But we only signed Johnson for close to league minimum. Seems like nobody else really wanted him much.

I don't remember the Redskins ever behaving like they thought Johnson was the answer, I remember them always couching it that Johnson and Ihenacho would compete to play.

Unless I'm wrong on that, I think this is a classic case of where the fanbase got carried away. Still though, for Johnson to not even be reliable enough to prevent the team from converting an aging corner to play his spot, not good.

At least we're not on the hook for a big contract.

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I don't remember hearing his name good or bad recently, so I'm wondering how well he's actually playing. Just a guy or a liability?

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;1130822]I don't remember hearing his name good or bad recently, so I'm wondering how well he's actually playing. Just a guy or a liability?[/QUOTE]


Usually when you dont remember hearing his name recently you can pretty much rule out the playing good part.....

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Fucking Patriots claimed Trey Williams.

[url=http://nesn.com/2015/12/trey-williams-adds-athleticism-to-patriots-struggling-rushing-attack/]Trey Williams Adds Athleticism To Patriots’ Struggling Rushing Attack | New England Patriots | NESN.com[/url]

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I feel like smart teams know which GMs have a good eye for talent, and figure that if they're going to take a flyer on somebody, it might as well be on a player who was liked by a GM with a reputation like McCloughan's.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1130869]Fucking Patriots claimed Trey Williams.

[url=http://nesn.com/2015/12/trey-williams-adds-athleticism-to-patriots-struggling-rushing-attack/]Trey Williams Adds Athleticism To Patriots’ Struggling Rushing Attack | New England Patriots | NESN.com[/url][/quote]

to me its just another drop in the bucket that validates Scot's abilities and what other league guys think of his eye for talent. He found an undrafted rookie we didnt have room for but other teams think he is worth a roster spot. kinda nice to see our PS guys getting plucked.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1130869]Fucking Patriots claimed Trey Williams.

[url=http://nesn.com/2015/12/trey-williams-adds-athleticism-to-patriots-struggling-rushing-attack/]Trey Williams Adds Athleticism To Patriots’ Struggling Rushing Attack | New England Patriots | NESN.com[/url][/quote]

He couldn't stick with either the Skins or Dallas, so what's the big deal?

Also, the Pats play Philly this week, so anything Trey can do to help beat Philly would be a good thing. If anyone can find a play or two to use his speed, it would be Belichick.

When the Pats cut him, perhaps you can get him back.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1130869]Fucking Patriots claimed Trey Williams.

[url=http://nesn.com/2015/12/trey-williams-adds-athleticism-to-patriots-struggling-rushing-attack/]Trey Williams Adds Athleticism To Patriots’ Struggling Rushing Attack | New England Patriots | NESN.com[/url][/quote]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but since the Redskins had a worse record if we had put in a waiver claim for him we would've gotten him first. If that's the case I'm cool with it. If not, I'm still cool with it.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1130879]He couldn't stick with either the Skins or Dallas, so what's the big deal?

Also, the Pats play Philly this week, so anything Trey can do to help beat Philly would be a good thing. If anyone can find a play or two to use his speed, it would be Belichick.

When the Pats cut him, perhaps you can get him back.[/quote]

Watch him flourish in NE, he just might the Dion Lewis antidote.

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NFL.COM has the 2016 draft order and team neeed. Here is what they have for the skins.

26. Washington Redskins
2015 record: 5-6 (.529)
Top need: Center
Other needs: Wide receiver, cornerback, defensive line, offensive tackle


I do not understand the OT need.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1130962]NFL.COM has the 2016 draft order and team neeed. Here is what they have for the skins.

26. Washington Redskins
2015 record: 5-6 (.529)
Top need: Center
Other needs: Wide receiver, cornerback, defensive line, offensive tackle


I do not understand the OT need.[/quote]

I would pout safety over most of the others in that "other needs" category. If Moses keeps playing like he has, the only need at OT is better depth to deal with injuries.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1130962]NFL.COM has the 2016 draft order and team neeed. Here is what they have for the skins.

26. Washington Redskins
2015 record: 5-6 (.529)
Top need: Center
Other needs: Wide receiver, cornerback, defensive line, offensive tackle


I do not understand the OT need.[/quote]

It was probably written by someone who doesn't follow the team and reads headlines. I doubt Morgan Moses shows up in many stat lines or headlines.

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[quote=over the mountain;1130871]to me its just another drop in the bucket that validates Scot's abilities and what other league guys think of his eye for talent. He found an undrafted rookie we didnt have room for but other teams think he is worth a roster spot. kinda nice to see our PS guys getting plucked.[/quote]

New England can have Trey Williams. I'm glad Chris Thompson has shown flashes of being an excellent scat back. He's not as raw as he once was. So far this season he has stayed healthy. Hopefully in another year or two Thompson will be amongst the best receivers coming out of the backfield.

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Losing this game changes everything IMO about our path to a division title. We can't win on the road, and often look awful on the road, but in order to get to 8-8 we have to win at least 2 road games out of the 3 remaining and of those 2 are division games.

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If the Pats offered up a 1st for Jackson would you do it? I think I would.

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We should lock down this thread. No one should be talking first place this or playoffs that until we can win more than 1 game in a row and/or a single road game.


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