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[quote=WillH;1189319]Ok, this is a hard question for me to answer, I wanted to see what you all think. If the following players are all somehow available at 13 who would you take:

A. Barkley
B. Nelson
C. Ridley
D. Vea
E. R. Smith
F. None of the above

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A. Barkley*
B. Nelson
E. R. Smith
D. Vea
C. Ridley

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1189315]I just don't see the fit for Payne. He is the same size as Jonathan Allen which is a bit undersized for an NFL DT. Heck, he even has a similar skill set to that of Allen. So, the way I see it, we already have what Payne brings to the party in Jonathan Allen.

What we really need is a big, fat run stuffer. I think we should take a run at Bennie Logan or the big dude from Atlanta in FA. If we don't sign one of those two, then Vea would be very high on my wish list.[/quote]

He's already about 20 lbs heavier than Allen. This NFL profile says he'll be the premier run stuffer in the draft.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/da'ron-payne?id=2560068]DA'RON PAYNE Draft Profile – NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=WillH;1189319]Ok, this is a hard question for me to answer, I wanted to see what you all think. If the following players are all somehow available at 13 who would you take:

A. Barkley
B. Nelson
C. Ridley
D. Vea
E. R. Smith
F. None of the above

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First of all, Barkley needs to be taken off the list. He just can't fall to #13. That aside, I'd have to go with Nelson. From what I've seen of him, he is one of the top OL to come out of college in many years. I'd rank him second overall behind Barkley but some teams just don't appreciate OG play as much as they should, so it's possible, if unlikely, that he could fall to #13 just as Allen fell to us last year. I think the Skins should start a rumor that Nelson has health issues to make it happen (j/k).

I think Nelson could elevate our OL to elite status. He'd be playing next to an All-Pro OT on one side and, I believe, an up and coming young C who should make great strides this coming season. Even pedestrian RB's should be able to gain decent yardage running behind that OL.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1189348]He's already about 20 lbs heavier than Allen. This NFL profile says he'll be the premier run stuffer in the draft.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/da'ron-payne?id=2560068]DA'RON PAYNE Draft Profile – NFL.com[/url][/quote]

Good post. He's bigger than I thought. I think Payne is an outstanding player. I wouldn't mind a bit if the Skins draft him. He can play 3-4 DE and 4-3 DT for us but I still prefer a huge NT if we can get one. I'd like to get that NT in FA or by trade, if we can, and I'd also re-sign Phil Taylor if he is recovered from his injury.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1189354]Good post. He's bigger than I thought. I think Payne is an outstanding player. I wouldn't mind a bit if the Skins draft him. He can play 3-4 DE and 4-3 DT for us but I still prefer a huge NT if we can get one. I'd like to get that NT in FA or by trade, if we can, and I'd also re-sign Phil Taylor if he is recovered from his injury.[/quote]

Vea is my preference but I'd have zero complaints with Payne either.

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If Barkley, Nelson, or Fitzpatrick is available you giggle all the way up to the podium and add a top 5 player at 13.

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Here's what Mike Mayock had to say about Vita Vea:

[I]"He is a dancing bear. He's a freak,” Mayock said. “He's 340 pounds, and everybody says he's going to run a sub 5.40. The last defensive lineman to do that was Dontari Poe, and I think he went at No. 11. And Vea is a better player than Poe was coming out of college, more advanced. He's a plug-and-play nose tackle in any scheme. If he runs 4.85 or 4.9 at 342 pounds, to me that's more impressive than watching John Ross run a 4.”[/I]

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Drafting Barkley or any RB or WR with our first round pick would be the definition of the expressions putting "the cart before the horse".
Excellent lineman are very expensive in FA and should be a priority in the draft.
It is looking like several teams drafting ahead of us at 13 will be reaching for QB's.
There are a ton of QB needy teams desperate to reach for a QB early in the draft. That benefits us greatly.
“As far as interior offensive line class, [B][U]the top end of it’s really good,[/U][/B]" Mayock said in a conference call on Monday.
OG Notre Dame’s Quenton Nelson is a instant starter and star.
OSU center/guard Billy Price is a rock.
Aubrun OG Braden Smith and UTEP OG Will Hernandez are strong.
There is a huge drop off in talent after these guys. We must get one of them.
They will not be there when we pick in the second round.
Getting a second tier guard in the free agency is getting another Shawn Lauvao.
I do not want that.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1189358]Here's what Mike Mayock had to say about Vita Vea:

[I]"He is a dancing bear. He's a freak,” Mayock said. “He's 340 pounds, and everybody says he's going to run a sub 5.40. The last defensive lineman to do that was Dontari Poe, and I think he went at No. 11. And Vea is a better player than Poe was coming out of college, more advanced. He's a plug-and-play nose tackle in any scheme. If he runs 4.85 or 4.9 at 342 pounds, to me that's more impressive than watching John Ross run a 4.”[/I][/quote]

They said the same about guys like Marcel Darreus, I'd like to have the guy but I'm not saying he's going to be a great player right away. I know u aren't either

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1189359]Drafting Barkley or any RB or WR with our first round pick would be the definition of the expressions putting "the cart before the horse".
Excellent lineman are very expensive in FA and should be a priority in the draft.
It is looking like several teams drafting ahead of us at 13 will be reaching for QB's.
There are a ton of QB needy teams desperate to reach for a QB early in the draft. That benefits us greatly.
“As far as interior offensive line class, [B][U]the top end of it’s really good,[/U][/B]" Mayock said in a conference call on Monday.
OG Notre Dame’s Quenton Nelson is a instant starter and star.
OSU center/guard Billy Price is a rock.
Aubrun OG Braden Smith and UTEP OG Will Hernandez are strong.
There is a huge drop off in talent after these guys. We must get one of them.
They will not be there when we pick in the second round.
Getting a second tier guard in the free agency is getting another Shawn Lauvao.
I do not want that.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure all of them will be gone by our second pick. Guards are undervalued, but I agree in principle, I think NT is very similar in this regard, so I throw Vea and Payne in this same category.

That said, Id take Barkley over Hernandez, Price, or Smith.

Nelson, Barkley, and Vea are elite IMO. You don't turn down elite for excellent even at a hard to find position.


Edit: I've also heard a lot of good things about Isaiah Wynn and Wyatt Teller. I need to watch done of Teller because I've seen him ranked much lower than these guys. Point being, I think you can get a good starting G in rounds 2 and 3 of this draft, but to your point, Nelson is head and shoulders above Teir 2.

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Doug Williams today said there's enough running backs for everyone in this draft. So they're looking at RB in the draft, but they're probably not looking in round 1

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[quote=WillH;1189398]Doug Williams today said there's enough running backs for everyone in this draft. So they're looking at RB in the draft, but they're probably not looking in round 1

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I bet we take 1 at 13 if it's Guice sitting there

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QB Measurables:

Sam Darnold

Height: 6’3
Weight: 221
Hand: 9 3/8

Josh Rosen

Height: 6’4
Weight: 226
Hand: 9 7/8

Baker Mayfield

Height: 6’0
Weight: 215
Hand: 9 1/4

Josh Allen

Height: 6’4 7/8
Weight: 237
Hand: 10 1/8

Lamar Jackson

Height: 6’2
Weight: 216
Hand: 9 1/2


I bet all go round 1

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13: R1p13 - dl da'ron payne - alabama
44: R2p12 - lb rashaan evans - alabama
113: R4p13 - rb rashaad penny - san diego state
149: R5p12 - s jessie bates iii - wake forest
188: R6p14 - g jamarco jones - ohio state
231: R7p13 - cb d.j. reed - kansas state
241: R7p23 - wr davon grayson - east carolina

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[quote=WillH;1189398]Doug Williams today said there's enough running backs for everyone in this draft. So they're looking at RB in the draft, but they're probably not looking in round 1

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This is what he was thinking last year and it got us Perine instead of Kamara.
Tired of this front office doing this shit and wasting picks.
Go get a beast at RB. A 3rd or 4th round pick is not going to be the player we need unless they get a guy that fits the system perfectly which isn’t likely.

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[quote=jamf;1189709]This is what he was thinking last year and it got us Perine instead of Kamara.
Tired of this front office doing this shit and wasting picks.
Go get a beast at RB. A 3rd or 4th round pick is not going to be the player we need unless they get a guy that fits the system perfectly which isn’t likely.[/quote]

Hunt was a 3rd rounder and led the NFL in rushing. Averaged 5 yards a carry. We can get a great back w/ our 3rd round pick. Oh wait....

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Ward ran the fastest time for a CB, stock will probably raise. He has been mocked to us for a while now but at 13 I don't see him falling that low especially since the demand for a good CB is so high today.

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Here is my mock offseason. I would be pretty satisfied if it could go this way:

[url]https://fanspeak.com/ugm/share.php?d=myajgi[/url]

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1189745]Here is my mock offseason. I would be pretty satisfied if it could go this way:

[url]https://fanspeak.com/ugm/share.php?d=myajgi[/url][/quote]

So Bell is going to take a $4 million dollar pay cut from Pittsburgh to play in Washington

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[quote=Irrefutable;1189748]So Bell is going to take a $4 million dollar pay cut from Pittsburgh to play in Washington[/quote]

we can all dream, but yeah no chance.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1189748]So Bell is going to take a $4 million dollar pay cut from Pittsburgh to play in Washington[/quote]

It wasnt a one year deal, thar number is just the cap hit in year one.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1189710]Hunt was a 3rd rounder and led the NFL in rushing. Averaged 5 yards a carry. We can get a great back w/ our 3rd round pick. Oh wait....[/quote]

At least we got Ryan Anderson in the second round!

I feel bad for this years 2nd rd pick. He is doomed.

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13: R1p13 - dl vita vea - washington
44: R2p12 - g will hernandez - utep
113: R4p13 - rb nick chubb - georgia
149: R5p12 - cb holton hill - texas
188: R6p14 - lb tegray scales - indiana
231: R7p13 - wr daurice fountain - northern iowa
241: R7p23 - s nick washington - florida

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Mark Andrews is a guy that will boost his stock now that the combine is over.

He can line up at every pos as a pass catcher and blocker.

Ran a great 40 as well.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1189813]13: R1p13 - dl vita vea - washington
44: R2p12 - g will hernandez - utep
113: R4p13 - rb nick chubb - georgia
149: R5p12 - cb holton hill - texas
188: R6p14 - lb tegray scales - indiana
231: R7p13 - wr daurice fountain - northern iowa
241: R7p23 - s nick washington - florida[/quote]

Would love to see the 1st 3 picks happen .Not sure Chubb will last that far , but that would be a win for us .

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1189307]Probably my favorite mock draft I've done...

13: R1 - DL DA'RON PAYNE - ALABAMA
44: R2 - RB SONY MICHEL - GEORGIA
113: R4 - G BRADEN SMITH - AUBURN
149: R5 - WR KEKE COUTEE - TEXAS TECH
188: R6 - CB D.J. REED - KANSAS STATE
231: R7 - LB CHRIS WORLEY - OHIO STATE
241: R7 - S JESSIE BATES III - WAKE FOREST[/quote]

Would be nice ( G ) Smith is a mean SOB ( might go in rd 3 ) .

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Your score is: 19230 (GRADE: B)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 15 (ARI): Vea, Vita, DT, Washington (A+)
Round 2 Pick 12: Hand, DaShawn, DE, Alabama (A-)
Round 2 Pick 15 (ARI): St Brown, Equanimeous, WR, Notre Dame (A-)
Round 4 Pick 13: Brown, Orlando, OT, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 5 Pick 12: Ballage, Kalen, RB, Arizona State (A)
Round 6 Pick 14: Facyson, Brandon, CB, Virginia Tech (A)
Round 7 Pick 13: Coutee, Keke, WR, Texas Tech (A+)
Round 7 Pick 23: Woodside, Logan, QB, Toledo (A-)

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[quote=30gut;1190231]Your score is: 19230 (GRADE: B)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 15 (ARI): Vea, Vita, DT, Washington (A+)
Round 2 Pick 12: Hand, DaShawn, DE, Alabama (A-)
Round 2 Pick 15 (ARI): St Brown, Equanimeous, WR, Notre Dame (A-)
Round 4 Pick 13: Brown, Orlando, OT, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 5 Pick 12: Ballage, Kalen, RB, Arizona State (A)
Round 6 Pick 14: Facyson, Brandon, CB, Virginia Tech (A)
Round 7 Pick 13: Coutee, Keke, WR, Texas Tech (A+)
Round 7 Pick 23: Woodside, Logan, QB, Toledo (A-)[/quote]

I don't understand the scoring. Your worst pick is an A-, how can the overall grade be a B? Makes no sense. Everyone's seem to be like that.

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13: R1p13 - lb tremaine edmunds - virginia tech
44: R2p12 - dl rasheem green - usc
113: R4p13 - rb kalen ballage - arizona state
149: R5p12 - cb j.c. Jackson - maryland
188: R6p14 - g sean welsh - iowa
231: R7p13 - te chris herndon - miami
241: R7p23 - s nick washington - florida

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If the 1st 3 picks go this way I'm fist pumping.

13: R1P13 - DL VITA VEA - WASHINGTON
44: R2P12 - G WILL HERNANDEZ - UTEP
113: R4P13 - RB RASHAAD PENNY - SAN DIEGO ST
149: R5P12 - CB J.C. JACKSON - MARYLAND
188: R6P14 - LB FRED WARNER - BYU
231: R7P13 - EDGE OLASUNKANMI ADENIYI - TOLEDO
241: R7P23 - S DAMON WEBB - OHIO STATE

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1191045]If the 1st 3 picks go this way I'm fist pumping.

13: R1P13 - DL VITA VEA - WASHINGTON
44: R2P12 - G WILL HERNANDEZ - UTEP
113: R4P13 - RB RASHAAD PENNY - SAN DIEGO ST
149: R5P12 - CB J.C. JACKSON - MARYLAND
188: R6P14 - LB FRED WARNER - BYU
231: R7P13 - EDGE OLASUNKANMI ADENIYI - TOLEDO
241: R7P23 - S DAMON WEBB - OHIO STATE[/quote]

Me too but take Vea out at 13 and trade down a few spots, then take him or Payne.

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I want to trade down still, no need in taking a DT at 13 unless that dude is Donald like and none of these guys are even on that level.

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Your score is: 23356 (GRADE: A-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 24 (CAR): Guice, Derrius, RB, LSU (B+)
Round 2 Pick 12: Wynn, Isaiah, OG, Georgia (A)
Round 2 Pick 23 (CAR): Thompson, Trenton, DT, Georgia (A-)
Round 2 Pick 26 (ATL): Jackson, Donte, CB, LSU (A)
Round 3 Pick 23 (LAR): Fitts, Kylie, DE/OLB, Utah (A)
Round 3 Pick 26 (ATL): Gaulden, Rashaan, FS, Tennessee (A+)
Round 4 Pick 13: Cobbs Jr, Simmie, WR, Indiana (A+)
Round 4 Pick 23 (MIA): Noteboom, Joseph, OT, Texas Christian (A+)
Round 4 Pick 26 (ATL): Moore, JMon, WR, Missouri (A+)
Round 5 Pick 12: Victor, Azeem, ILB, Washington (A+)
Round 6 Pick 14: Conklin, Tyler, TE, Central Michigan (A+)
Round 7 Pick 13: Ramesh, Austin, FB, Wisconsin (A+)
Round 7 Pick 23: Dooley, Garret, OLB, Wisconsin (A+)

I like trading down. Probably too many guys to add in reality, but a lot of guys I like here.

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Your score is: 21061 (GRADE: A-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 13: Ward, Denzel, CB, Ohio State (A)
Round 2 Pick 12: Hernandez, Will, OG, Texas-El Paso (A)
Round 4 Pick 9: Gallup, Michael, WR, Colorado State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 5: Norton, Kendrick, DT, Miami (FL) (A+)
Round 5 Pick 26: White, Mike, QB, Western Kentucky (A+)
Round 6 Pick 14: Apke, Troy, SS, Penn State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 13: Smith, Ito, RB, Southern Miss (A+)
Round 7 Pick 23: Lotulelei, Lowell, DT, Utah (B+)

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1.13 DL Vita Vea
2.12 G Billy Price
4.9 RB Rashaad Penny
5.5 LB Hercules Mata'afa
5.26 TE Jaylen Samuels
6.14 WR Jester Weah
7.13 CB Rashaan Gaulden
7.23 QB Brandon Silvers

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[quote=MTK;1191958]1.13 DL Vita Vea
2.12 G Billy Price
4.9 RB Rashaad Penny
5.5 LB Hercules Mata'afa
5.26 TE Jaylen Samuels
6.14 WR Jester Weah
7.13 CB Rashaan Gaulden
7.23 QB Brandon Silvers[/quote]

1st 3 picks are money. On the other ones, you gave me some more guys to research.

Any draft that includes Penny gets my 2 thumbs up.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1191958]1.13 DL Vita Vea
2.12 G Billy Price
4.9 RB Rashaad Penny
5.5 LB Hercules Mata'afa
5.26 TE Jaylen Samuels
6.14 WR Jester Weah
7.13 CB Rashaan Gaulden
7.23 QB Brandon Silvers[/QUOTE]5'11" TE is a pretty bold prediction!

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1191972]5'11" TE is a pretty bold prediction!

Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Jaylen Samuels is a tweener but he's a really interesting prospect. He played literally every skill position, it's insane, they played him all over. I'd be excited to see what Jay could do with him, but he very well may not find a consistent starting role at any position. Still, It'd be worth a later round pick to try to tool around with him.

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This is my favorite mock I've done so far. I had to trade around quite a bit in the first 3 rounds to get it done, but I think I was able to address all our needs at the right spot in the draft.

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 17 (LAC):**Vea, Vita, DT, Washington (A) (this would make our D line formidable, maybe even rivaling the eagles)
Round 2 Pick 14 (CINN):**Michel, Sony, RB, Georgia (A-) (All around back, everything Gruden would want, and explosive)
Round 3 Pick 5 (NYG):**Ragnow, Frank, C/OG, Arkansas (A) (solid likely day 1 starter at LG who would have a solid line around him to let him develop on the job)
Round 4 Pick 9:**Bates III, Jessie, FS, Wake Forest (A+) (versatile depth for the secondary)
Round 5 Pick 26:**Adeniyi, Olasunkanmi, DE/OLB, Toledo (A) (rotational edge rusher prospect with quickness and bend to fill Gallete void)
Round 6 Pick 14:**Conklin, Tyler, TE, Central Michigan (A+) (solid all around TE depth, can block and catch)
Round 7 Pick 13:**ODaniel, Dorian, OLB, Clemson (A+) (special teams monster, and very good LB in coverage)
Round 7 Pick 23:**Adams, Tony, OG, North Carolina State (A+) (more o line depth)

Edit: maybe a possession receiver would have been more important than TE Conklin

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Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 4 (IND): Wynn, Isaiah, OG, Georgia (A)
Round 2 Pick 14 (CINN): Chark, DJ, WR, LSU (B+)
Round 2 Pick 17 (IND): Davis, Carlton, CB, Auburn (A)
Round 2 Pick 20 (BALT): Michel, Sony, RB, Georgia (A-)
Round 3 Pick 13 (CINN): St Brown, Equanimeous, WR, Notre Dame (A+)
Round 3 Pick 19 (BALT): Senat, Deadrin, DT, South Florida (A)
Round 4 Pick 9: Averett, Anthony, CB, Alabama (A+)
Round 5 Pick 5: Fatukasi, Folorunso, DT, Connecticut (A+)
Round 5 Pick 26: Ferguson, Riley, QB, Memphis (C+)
Round 6 Pick 14: Reaves, Jeremy, FS, South Alabama (B)
Round 7 Pick 13: Facyson, Brandon, CB, Virginia Tech (A+)
Round 7 Pick 23: ODaniel, Dorian, OLB, Clemson (A+)