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We need a volume tackler in the middle of this defense...Zach Brown does this extremely well. He played injured down the stretch..showed his toughness.

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Really? Zach a coverage problem? I didn't see it, myself. His speed lets him run with a lot of TEs.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1186581]Really? Zach a coverage problem? I didn't see it, myself. His speed lets him run with a lot of TEs.[/QUOTE]


He’s flat out lost in zone coverage at times. Cooley broke this down all year.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1186581]Really? Zach a coverage problem? I didn't see it, myself. His speed lets him run with a lot of TEs.[/QUOTE]What Matty said, but also, TEs killed us all year. In theory, with his size and speed, he should be able to, but he must not see it or have the technique or something. Can you give an example of a TE he covered well?

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Damn nobody bought skins gear huh?

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[quote=MTK;1186582]He’s flat out lost in zone coverage at times. Cooley broke this down all year.[/quote]

OK I'll check out the breakdowns. I could have just missed it.

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[quote=WillH;1186577]I tend to agree with this. What do you think the right price is?

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4 years at 5.75 a year with 12 mill guaranteed?

He is not good in coverage and i agree he is not going to get the 7 mil a year he wants.

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[QUOTE=WillH;1186577]I tend to agree with this. What do you think the right price is?

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Somewhere around $5M per year I’d guess

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1186588]OK I'll check out the breakdowns. I could have just missed it.[/QUOTE]


I think it was the 2nd Giants game where Cooley was almost laughing over how lost he was in space, it was an issue all year

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[QUOTE=MTK;1186582]He’s flat out lost in zone coverage at times. Cooley broke this down all year.[/QUOTE]Yeah he's had more than his share of flat out blown coverage. Even in man coverage.

I agree with Schneed: his speed SHOULD allow him to be a decent cover LB though.

The way I see it, part of it is not studying the play book enough (ie a TD he allowed against the Eagles where it's man, he's responsible for the back, he starts rushing the QB and then, as the back goes by him you can basically hear him go "Oh fuck fuck fuck that was my guy" as he turns back) and the other part is keying the eyes of the QB too much, to a point where he'd end up in someone else's zone because the QB was looking that way, and not see the wide open receiver in his zone (I remember this very clearly from the Chiefs game but that was often the case).

If I could see it on my computer with the gamepass, I guarantee staffs and QBs from other teams did too and knew how easy it was to look Zach Brown off a receiver in zone coverage.

I'm thinking this had to be one of the reasons the Bills let him walk last year.

But he has the skills to overcome this, and still was one of our best players on D.

I definitely want him back!

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Doug Williams on Drafting:
"You know, I've always said the draft is kind of like a crapshoot sometimes," Williams told Redskins.com. "Sometimes you pick the one that you think is up there and they don't make it, then the guys you pick down at the bottom are the ones who come up top, you never know. It all depends on what's in the guy's heart and how they look at this thing and how they take the game. The most important thing, if they've played this game with a lot of passion, a lot of heart, with the abilities that they do have, nine times out of 10 they are going to be successful."

[URL]http://m.redskins.com/news/article-1/As-He-Scouts-2018-Class-Doug-Williams-Recalls-Senior-Bowl-Memories/87c5123e-cda9-46a0-a6f9-77837289a503[/URL]

Does this concern anyone else? I know this doesn't necessarily speak to Dougs ability to evaluate talent, but it doesn't inspire much faith in this FO without Mccloughan. I've heard that Gruden is a good talent evaluator (Cooley, Cousins, and McCloughan have all said it), and I certainly hope so, because in this critical off season we need someone who can find the right guy if Cousins won't stay.

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[quote=WillH;1186598]Doug Williams on Drafting:
"You know, I've always said the draft is kind of like a crapshoot sometimes," Williams told Redskins.com. "Sometimes you pick the one that you think is up there and they don't make it, then the guys you pick down at the bottom are the ones who come up top, you never know. It all depends on what's in the guy's heart and how they look at this thing and how they take the game. The most important thing, if they've played this game with a lot of passion, a lot of heart, with the abilities that they do have, nine times out of 10 they are going to be successful."

[url=http://m.redskins.com/news/article-1/As-He-Scouts-2018-Class-Doug-Williams-Recalls-Senior-Bowl-Memories/87c5123e-cda9-46a0-a6f9-77837289a503]Redskins Home[/url]

Does this concern anyone else? I know this doesn't necessarily speak to Dougs ability to evaluate talent, but it doesn't inspire much faith in this FO without Mccloughan. I've heard that Gruden is a good talent evaluator (Cooley, Cousins, and McCloughan have all said it), and I certainly hope so, because in this critical off season we need someone who can find the right guy if Cousins won't stay.

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Eh, sounds like just media talk.

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To add onto the last post, i do think that Doug will be getting used to his role for abother year or two, and with that, comes media presence etc etc.

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Any evaluator will say the draft is a crapshoot, an inexact science.

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[quote=WillH;1186598]Doug Williams on Drafting:
"You know, I've always said the draft is kind of like a crapshoot sometimes," Williams told Redskins.com. "Sometimes you pick the one that you think is up there and they don't make it, then the guys you pick down at the bottom are the ones who come up top, you never know. It all depends on what's in the guy's heart and how they look at this thing and how they take the game. The most important thing, if they've played this game with a lot of passion, a lot of heart, with the abilities that they do have, nine times out of 10 they are going to be successful."

[url=http://m.redskins.com/news/article-1/As-He-Scouts-2018-Class-Doug-Williams-Recalls-Senior-Bowl-Memories/87c5123e-cda9-46a0-a6f9-77837289a503]Redskins Home[/url]

Does this concern anyone else? I know this doesn't necessarily speak to Dougs ability to evaluate talent, but it doesn't inspire much faith in this FO without Mccloughan. I've heard that Gruden is a good talent evaluator (Cooley, Cousins, and McCloughan have all said it), and I certainly hope so, because in this critical off season we need someone who can find the right guy if Cousins won't stay.

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I'd fire Bruce Allen tonight and make Doug Williams the GM if I could. Don't see anything concerning here. We're not pros but all serious fans, and there are guys I was way off about on both sides of spectrum.

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[quote=MTK;1186605]Any evaluator will say the draft is a crapshoot, an inexact science.[/quote]

Agree, Williams comments were brutally honest without the polish of used car salesman speak.

I don't mind it at all. The best drafting teams miss, and miss in the first round. It's a total crap shoot

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REdskins resign mason foster for 2 more years

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[quote=doughtydoubter;1186658]REdskins resign mason foster for 2 more years[/quote]

we want Kirk Fuck mason... lol jk

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1186662]we want Kirk Fuck mason... lol jk[/quote]

Eh fuck kirk and his 34 mil.
Im all about having gruden pick his next qb in the draft at this point

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The Redskins aren't expected to re-sign impending free agent LG Shawn Lauvao.

Starting C Spencer Long is also set to be a free agent. Long opened his career as the Redskins' left guard, but the team also doesn't want him there. Lauvao is now 30 and always seems to be hurt, ending three of the last four seasons on IR. Washington's line crumbled with injuries this past year.

[url=http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/need-know-can-redskins-tag-and-trade-cousins?utm_content=buffer8e20e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer]Need to Know: Can the Redskins tag and trade Cousins? | NBC Sports Washington[/url]

Long and Luavao not wanted back per Tandler. Neither earned an extension this year. peaceout

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Interesting talk about all our upcoming free agents:

[url]http://cdn.stationcaster.com/stations/wtem/media/mpeg/01_26_18_Cooley___Kevin_HR_2-1516980869.mp3[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1186740]The Redskins aren't expected to re-sign impending free agent LG Shawn Lauvao.

Starting C Spencer Long is also set to be a free agent. Long opened his career as the Redskins' left guard, but the team also doesn't want him there. Lauvao is now 30 and always seems to be hurt, ending three of the last four seasons on IR. Washington's line crumbled with injuries this past year.

[url=http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/need-know-can-redskins-tag-and-trade-cousins?utm_content=buffer8e20e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer]Need to Know: Can the Redskins tag and trade Cousins? | NBC Sports Washington[/url]

Long and Luavao not wanted back per Tandler. Neither earned an extension this year. peaceout[/quote]

Lauvao is horrible, as is Long. Can't blame the team

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[quote=WillH;1186598]Doug Williams on Drafting:
"You know, I've always said the draft is kind of like a crapshoot sometimes," Williams told Redskins.com. "Sometimes you pick the one that you think is up there and they don't make it, then the guys you pick down at the bottom are the ones who come up top, you never know. It all depends on what's in the guy's heart and how they look at this thing and how they take the game. The most important thing, if they've played this game with a lot of passion, a lot of heart, with the abilities that they do have, nine times out of 10 they are going to be successful."

[url=http://m.redskins.com/news/article-1/As-He-Scouts-2018-Class-Doug-Williams-Recalls-Senior-Bowl-Memories/87c5123e-cda9-46a0-a6f9-77837289a503]Redskins Home[/url]

Does this concern anyone else? I know this doesn't necessarily speak to Dougs ability to evaluate talent, but it doesn't inspire much faith in this FO without Mccloughan. I've heard that Gruden is a good talent evaluator (Cooley, Cousins, and McCloughan have all said it), and I certainly hope so, because in this critical off season we need someone who can find the right guy if Cousins won't stay.

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I was listening to 106.7 and they were making a big deal out of this. What he said is truthful. What he basically said was some guys that are drafted high don't turn out to be better than later round guys. It happens all the time every year. It happened here w/ Cousins and Griffin. I guess the media needed something to talk about.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1186759]I was listening to 106.7 and they were making a big deal out of this. What he said is truthful. What he basically said was some guys that are drafted high don't turn out to be better than later round guys. It happens all the time every year. It happened here w/ Cousins and Griffin. I guess the media needed something to talk about.[/quote]

The draft is not a lottery ticket, all it takes is luck to succeed. Good GMs make good picks. Sure, the best GMs are not perfect, however, they make a higher percentage of good picks.

It has been awhile since the Redskins had a good GM.

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Which is why the Patriots stock picks, trading down for more frequently. They're playing the numbers game and not getting attached or overly excited by any particular player. It's "show me what ya got" and if they're unimpressed, they move on. They obviously do well with their picks, but I think the better skill there is knowing when to cut your losses and move on -- they have an uncanny read on when someone's value is about to fall off. A lot of guys they let go are picked up by other teams and do very little (Cassel, Wilfork, heck, even Blount only had 766 yards a 2 TDs for the Eagles, down from 1100+ and 18 TDs last year).

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[quote=calia;1186763]Which is why the Patriots stock picks, trading down for more frequently. They're playing the numbers game and not getting attached or overly excited by any particular player. It's "show me what ya got" and if they're unimpressed, they move on. They obviously do well with their picks, but I think the better skill there is knowing when to cut your losses and move on -- they have an uncanny read on when someone's value is about to fall off. A lot of guys they let go are picked up by other teams and do very little (Cassel, Wilfork, heck, even Blount only had 766 yards a 2 TDs for the Eagles, down from 1100+ and 18 TDs last year).[/quote]

That all works great when you have TB12

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[quote=Irrefutable;1186762]The draft is not a lottery ticket, all it takes is luck to succeed. Good GMs make good picks. Sure, the best GMs are not perfect, however, they make a higher percentage of good picks.

It has been awhile since the Redskins had a good GM.[/quote]

our last few drafts have been solid, I can't say that they have been bust. We have a ton of rookies playing or had this yr

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True, but TB12 has nothing to do with the defensive players falling off the map once they leave the Pats, or Cassel for that matter (who obviously wasn't playing at the same time as Brady). I think you have to credit the Pats braintrust for knowing when to say goodbye -- they are not a sentimental lot. As much as I like DHall, I cannot imagine that he would have been on the Patriots squad for the last 2-3 years with his injury history, for example.

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[quote=calia;1186766]True, but TB12 has nothing to do with the defensive players falling off the map once they leave the Pats, or Cassel for that matter (who obviously wasn't playing at the same time as Brady). I think you have to credit the Pats braintrust for knowing when to say goodbye -- they are not a sentimental lot. As much as I like DHall, I cannot imagine that he would have been on the Patriots squad for the last 2-3 years with his injury history, for example.[/quote]

No doubt JS it's easier to gamble when you know u have 11 wins or so every yr no matter what

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[url=http://www.nbc12.com/story/37358236/richmond-roughriders-sign-former-nfl-defensive-end-greg-hardy]Richmond Roughriders sign former NFL defensive end Greg Hardy - NBC12 - WWBT - Richmond, VA News On Your Side[/url]

Great

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1186771][url=http://www.nbc12.com/story/37358236/richmond-roughriders-sign-former-nfl-defensive-end-greg-hardy]Richmond Roughriders sign former NFL defensive end Greg Hardy - NBC12 - WWBT - Richmond, VA News On Your Side[/url]



Great[/QUOTE]



Who?

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[quote=MTK;1186772]Who?[/quote]

Total stud DE conspired against by the league. I might just switch allegiances after this.

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[quote=calia;1186763]Which is why the Patriots stock picks, trading down for more frequently. They're playing the numbers game and not getting attached or overly excited by any particular player. It's "show me what ya got" and if they're unimpressed, they move on. They obviously do well with their picks, but I think the better skill there is knowing when to cut your losses and move on -- they have an uncanny read on when someone's value is about to fall off. A lot of guys they let go are picked up by other teams and do very little (Cassel, Wilfork, heck, even Blount only had 766 yards a 2 TDs for the Eagles, down from 1100+ and 18 TDs last year).[/quote]

McLovin talked about the exact same strategy over and over. That is trading back for more picks. He valued more picks over the "sure thing."

I guess you have to when you take Jones, Cravens, and Doctson in the first three rounds.

Every gm misses and more picks is more chances to get it right.

I still think the hit rate should be higher in the top 3 rounds, or at least not be busts.

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[quote=MTK;1186772]Who?[/quote]

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cowboys-jerry-jones-goes-all-in-on-calling-greg-hardy-a-leader/[/url]

Cowboys' Jerry Jones goes all in on calling Greg Hardy a leader

A leader of men. A leader now of Roughriders

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1186775]McLovin talked about the exact same strategy over and over. That is trading back for more picks. He valued more picks over the "sure thing."

I guess you have to when you take Jones, Cravens, and Doctson in the first three rounds.

Every gm misses and more picks is more chances to get it right.

I still think the hit rate should be higher in the top 3 rounds, or at least not be busts.[/quote]

You're statement sounds as if you think Cravens, Jones and Doctson were all busts?

Doctson has one FULL year of experience and already led our team in receiving touchdowns... Jones had all the physical tools needed to become a quality starter in the league but lost his heart for the game... And I don't think anybody thought Cravens was a bust before he had that mental freak out.

I agree, the draft is a crapshoot and you want as many shots as you can get. What I don't understand is the all-to-common distain for McCloughan when he did nothing but bring in quality players.

Off the field issues happen, but I'm largely thankful for the work he did here in 2 short years.

(I know McCloughan wasn't your main emphasis on this post, I'm just confused as to why so many people want to point the finger at him when I thought he did a damn fine job...)

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[url=http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-rams-redskins-cravens-20170914-story.html]As Redskins' Su'a Cravens deals with personal issues, coaches and players are shocked yet supportive[/url]

He had wanted to quit at USC. I know everybody was "shocked" but when somebody wants to quit for a second time it shouldn't be a surprise.

I don't believe Doctson has come close to 1st round performance. He has trouble separating and gets manhandled at the line by corners and "can't" run inside routes.

The original point was that the best teams including Mclovin miss and know there is value in having more picks.

I really liked that McLovin had a plan and knew the identity he was pushing the team toward. "Football players" the guys that love football is the only way to go.

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[quote=sevier2;1186779]You're statement sounds as if you think Cravens, Jones and Doctson were all busts?

Doctson has one FULL year of experience and already led our team in receiving touchdowns... Jones had all the physical tools needed to become a quality starter in the league but lost his heart for the game... And I don't think anybody thought Cravens was a bust before he had that mental freak out.

I agree, the draft is a crapshoot and you want as many shots as you can get. What I don't understand is the all-to-common distain for McCloughan when he did nothing but bring in quality players.

Off the field issues happen, but I'm largely thankful for the work he did here in 2 short years.

(I know McCloughan wasn't your main emphasis on this post, I'm just confused as to why so many people want to point the finger at him when I thought he did a damn fine job...)[/quote]

I agree it's early to call Doctson a complete bust, and I still have hope he'll turn it around.

But so far, despite his potential and ability to jump, he's been a disappointment, no separation, total absence of will to block, and he dropped sooo many balls... (like pretty much all our receivers this year, but still).

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1186782]

The original point was that the best teams including Mclovin miss and know there is value in having more picks.

I really liked that McLovin had a plan and knew the identity he was pushing the team toward. "Football players" the guys that love football is the only way to go.[/quote]

Agreed

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How in the hell was sua Cravens a football player?

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[quote=Chico23231;1186793]How in the hell was sua Cravens a football player?[/quote]

Football players and Cravens, Doctson, and Jones.

Better?