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More shade getting tossed at Bruce Allen from PFT:

[URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/10/report-mass-exodus-of-washington-employees-has-happened-this-year/"]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/10/report-mass-exodus-of-washington-employees-has-happened-this-year/[/URL]

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1225242]More shade getting tossed at Bruce Allen from PFT:

[URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/10/report-mass-exodus-of-washington-employees-has-happened-this-year/"]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/10/report-mass-exodus-of-washington-employees-has-happened-this-year/[/URL][/quote]

I still don't understand why anyone would take Chris Russell as a serious Redskins source.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1225243]I still don't understand why anyone would take Chris Russell as a serious Redskins source.[/quote]

More drama from the queen himself...

[URL="https://thefandc.radio.com/trent-williams-started-resenting-redskins-when-they-drafted-geron-christian"]Russell: Williams started resenting Redskins when they drafted Christian[/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1225244]More drama from the queen himself...

[URL="https://thefandc.radio.com/trent-williams-started-resenting-redskins-when-they-drafted-geron-christian"]Russell: Williams started resenting Redskins when they drafted Christian[/URL][/quote]

I heard that this morning...I aint buying it. If anything Christian is a swing tackle pick to replace Nsekhe who was getting older and more expensive as the years went on.

Queen is right...and she handed that right to the gossip king of bullshit, Florio. Those 2 would make a great couple.

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[quote=MTK;1225244]More drama from the queen himself...

[URL="https://thefandc.radio.com/trent-williams-started-resenting-redskins-when-they-drafted-geron-christian"]Russell: Williams started resenting Redskins when they drafted Christian[/URL][/quote]

This is the dumbest shit I've ever read, I'm glad I don't listen to that trash. I have no idea how/why JP Findlay puts up with him or anyone in 106.7 The Fan.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1225243]I still don't understand why anyone would take Chris Russell as a serious Redskins source.[/quote]
Chris Russell and Mike Florio - might as well know that it will be a full blown negative nelly report.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1225250]This is the dumbest shit I've ever read, I'm glad I don't listen to that trash. I have no idea how/why JP Findlay puts up with him or anyone in 106.7 The Fan.[/quote]

I wonder how many people actually read that full article.

Really explains the dynamic between Finlay and Russell, Finlay has always been well regarded whereas Russell is the tabloid reporter of the Skins world.

I think Finlay did a great job of explaining the differences between him and Russell. Obviously they are friends, share info, etc. but Finlay only reports the solid sourced stuff.

The key thing about the Geron Christian tidbit is Russell prefaces it with "I think". Seems easy to me that he is just saying his opinion without any sources to back it up.

I gotta wonder if that bit about 40 people leaving the Skins is true. It's no suprise the Redskins have had a rep for dysfunction in years. Smootsmack himself didn't want to work for the Redskins because he knew about the culture there. If what Russell is saying is true, nothing's really changed, and Bruce Allen is the epicenter of it all.

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How many people work for the team? Is it 100? yes, 40 would be a lot. Is it 1000? 40 is not that many.

This is more negative crap from Russell.

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I live near Philly and the local sports radio stations are loyal as hell to the Eagles team, their players, coaches, and the owner. I guess it doesn't surprise me that the D.C. sports radio has been alienated by Snyder and his latest toadie, Bruce Allen. As with Vinny Cerrato, you just wonder how badly the team has to perform year-after-year, how badly the fans have to suffer over the last two decades before they get rid of this ass-clown, Allen, and make a change to a REAL FOOTBALL General Manager. Someone with some real NFL credibility.

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[quote=Warthog;1225256]I live near Philly and the local sports radio stations are loyal as hell to the Eagles team, their players, coaches, and the owner. I guess it doesn't surprise me that the D.C. sports radio has been alienated by Snyder and his latest toadie, Bruce Allen. As with Vinny Cerrato, you just wonder how badly the team has to perform year-after-year, how badly the fans have to suffer over the last two decades before they get rid of this ass-clown, Allen, and make a change to a REAL FOOTBALL General Manager. Someone with some real NFL credibility.[/quote]

I don't want loyal radio stations/reporters covering the Redskins, but I also don't want cry babies who exaggerate negative stories to get ratings.

That being said, people need to realize that there are a whole bunch of radio/podcast people in this area that are not journalist and what they do is not sports news IMO. This would be Russell, The Junkies, Grant Paulsen, Kevin Sheehan, Tom Loverro, etc., etc., etc. A lot of the stuff that they report is highly biased and opinionated. And if you are making your decisions/opinions on the team based on these guys, well you might as well get your Redskins news from anyone who posts here.

Craig Hoffman, recently posted something a long twitter thread about his criticism of news coverage nowadays, said the following which I feel is what we as fans should be getting from anyone who reports Redskins news:

"The stakes of what I cover are much, much lower but I will never go on one of our shows and simply say "Jay Gruden said (something)" and leave it there.

I will always add whatever else I know about the situation to evaluate the veracity of the statement and put it in context."

And that's what I want from the sports media, which is why I religiously follow Hoffman, Keim, JP and Michael Phillips. I don't feel like these guys are pulling things out of their assess like Russell does.

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[quote=Warthog;1225256]I live near Philly and the local sports radio stations are loyal as hell to the Eagles team, their players, coaches, and the owner. I guess it doesn't surprise me that the D.C. sports radio has been alienated by Snyder and his latest toadie, Bruce Allen. As with Vinny Cerrato, you just wonder how badly the team has to perform year-after-year, how badly the fans have to suffer over the last two decades before they get rid of this ass-clown, Allen, and make a change to a REAL FOOTBALL General Manager. Someone with some real NFL credibility.[/quote]

I'm 45 minutes from philly, and they are not loyal. You have goldfish syndrome right now. When a philly team is losing, the sky is falling and dysfunction in the media reigns supreme. They have a recent superbowl, so you arent remembering every other year when the radio stations are calling to have the team blown up. Shit man, even last year it was all about getting rid of Wentz in favor of a backup. Listen to philly talk about the flyers or the Phillies until they signed harper. And 3 short years ago the media would talk about how disappointed they were in the Sixers. Philly's fans and media (and I'm a Phil's and flyers fan) are some of the most dysfunctional in the country. They werent a good reference point......

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This whole thing is stupid. Does Russell not remember that Brian Lafemina was fired by Snyder at the end of the season when attendance tanked? You would expect a lot of turnover in the business office when the lead business office executive is let go.

There’s a lot you can point to with regards to failings of Bruce Allen but this doesn’t make any sense.

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Bruce Allen's record ON THE FIELD doesn't justify his being kept on in his position. He's aways managing players as if the Redkskins are just one player from becoming elite. I think he's happy if the team goes 8-8 because he's convinced Snyder that if we're playing .500 football we're really close to turning the corner. Allen thinks that he can't be fired for an 8-8 season. Under his "leadership", the Redskins have been mediocre-average. The team needs to get a REAL General Manager and rebuild to get to the next level. Allen will accept average if it just gives him another year.

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Bruce isn't going anywhere until Bruce is ready to go. As fans, we have to live with it. Bruce is here as long as he wants.

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I would agree Allen isn't going anywhere. Dan needs someone to be buddies with. He needs someone who he can hide behind and Allen's the perfect guy. The rails would have to completely fall of for Dan to fire him.

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Allen plays it safe, which is why the team drifts around the 6-7 win range. Keeping the team just good enough not to get fired, but never good enough to really have a very good season.

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Allen will retire once the new stadium gets announced. Until then, settle in. Right now his stock is low, however when the new stadium deal is done he will call that his lasting contribution and in 4 years we'll be saying "Bruce Allen doesn't know shit about football but he sure can build a hell of a stadium!"

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CBS news is now reporting that the relationship between Bruce Allen and Trent Williams is "fractured". hmmm. Does that sound like the Cousins fiasco again? Last year USA Today did a poll of player reps and Bruce Allen was considered the WORST in the NFL to deal with.

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[quote=mooby;1225811]Allen will retire once the new stadium gets announced. Until then, settle in. Right now his stock is low, however when the new stadium deal is done he will call that his lasting contribution and in 4 years we'll be saying "Bruce Allen doesn't know shit about football but he sure can build a hell of a stadium!"[/quote]


I can't wait to surf around Redskins stadium!





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[quote=jamf;1225813]I can't wait to surf around Redskins stadium!





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Haha I saw that earlier. The moat idea is dumb AF but you know Snyder loves flashy shit so the new stadium will definitely be creative in some way.

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[quote=mooby;1225821]Haha I saw that earlier. The moat idea is dumb AF but you know Snyder loves flashy shit so the new stadium will definitely be creative in some way.[/quote]

I'd rather see a stadium built to maximize the noise level. Fed Ex is the worst for sound, among all its other problems.

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[QUOTE=Warthog;1225476]Bruce Allen's record ON THE FIELD doesn't justify his being kept on in his position. He's aways managing players as if the Redkskins are just one player from becoming elite. I think he's happy if the team goes 8-8 because he's convinced Snyder that if we're playing .500 football we're really close to turning the corner. Allen thinks that he can't be fired for an 8-8 season. Under his "leadership", the Redskins have been mediocre-average. The team needs to get a REAL General Manager and rebuild to get to the next level. Allen will accept average if it just gives him another year.[/QUOTE]



You give the guy too much credit for having a plan. Lol. He is in the league for one reason....his father. He is an absolute moron. The end.

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[quote=punch it in;1225880]You give the guy too much credit for having a plan. Lol. He is in the league for one reason....his father. He is an absolute moron. The end.[/quote]

Agreed! His name is what got him the job and he's being kept around to get Snyder a stadium. Snyder hasn't figured out that if the Redskins had a good team that might help them get a stadium.

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Bruce Allen keeps his job, regardless of the team’s record, because he is Dan Snyder’s toadie. He says and does the things that Snyder dictates, so that Snyder has deniability. He takes the press punches and fan’s ire instead of Snyder receiving them. The Redskins first had Cerrato to be Snyder’s boot licker and the fan’s punching bag, now Bruce Allen has the job.


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[quote=punch it in;1225880]You give the guy too much credit for having a plan. Lol. He is in the league for one reason....his father. He is an absolute moron. The end.[/quote]

And what did his father do? Mortgage the future by trading draft picks for old guys, it wasn’t until Bobby Beathard righted the ship.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1226795]And what did his father do? Mortgage the future by trading draft picks for old guys, it wasn’t until Bobby Beathard righted the ship.[/quote]

Allen never had a losing season (67-30-1), worst record was 8-6 and went to the super bowl. Pretty damn good actually. ([URL="https://pro-football-history.com/coach/5/george-allen-bio"][/URL])

Beathard was only the GM from 78 to 88. He only used 3 first round pick in that time (Monk, May and D. Green). In Fact, the combination of Vince Lombardi, George Allen, Bobby Beathard and Charley Casserly only used three 1st round picks from 69 to 90. Those three were all great picks. Point is maybe it was a JKC modus operandi to trade up and down the board not a GM here or there.

[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Washington_Redskins_first-round_draft_picks"][/URL]

[URL="https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/executives.htm"][/URL]

***edit: there are links but they dont show up on post***

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1226795]And what did his father do? Mortgage the future by trading draft picks for old guys, it wasn’t until Bobby Beathard righted the ship.[/QUOTE]



No doubt, but it is still why he is in the position he is today

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Bruce Allen is the press and fan punching bag to protect Dan Snyder. He is the mouth piece for Dan Snyder.
He is the conduit so that Dan Snyder can stick his grimy little mitts into the team’s business without looking like he’s interfering. He’s the toadie and yes man for Dan Snyder. He’s the extrovert for Dan Snyder’s introverted nature. It doesn’t matter what BA’s record is, until he becomes so much of a liability and everyone screams for his firing that he must be replaced. The last person in this role was a guy named Vinny Cerrato. After about 10 miserable seasons he was fired and replaced by BA. BA took over all the jobs that Cerrato had: to protect, suck up to, agree with and carry out the commands of Danny Snyder. Eventually Bruce Allen will be fired, as Cerrato was, because he appears to be incompetent. He will be replaced by another person with the same job: to be the front guy and VP for the team, but really he’s just a suck up and puppet of Dan Snyder!!


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The fiasco of not taking the Texan trade (2 x 1st, 1 x 2nd, two players) for TW will be ultimately blamed on Bruce Allen. But this was Dan Snyder’s decision-100 %.


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[quote=Warthog;1228124]The fiasco of not taking the Texan trade (2 x 1st, 1 x 2nd, two players) for TW will be ultimately blamed on Bruce Allen. But this was Dan Snyder’s decision-100 %.


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Bro you really think they were offering that for TW?

LOL. TW is early 30's, injured every year, only top of the line when he's healthy (which is never for 16 games a year anymore).

Tunsil is young and healthy and has his prime years ahead of him. Texans just solved their LT problem for the next 5+ years.

We might be able to get a 1+ for Trent, but it would never be what the Dolphins got for Tunsil.

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After this team implodes once again best believe Bruce will be gone.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1228125]Bro you really think they were offering that for TW?



LOL. TW is early 30's, injured every year, only top of the line when he's healthy (which is never for 16 games a year anymore).



Tunsil is young and healthy and has his prime years ahead of him. Texans just solved their LT problem for the next 5+ years.



We might be able to get a 1+ for Trent, but it would never be what the Dolphins got for Tunsil.[/QUOTE]



I agree. We would never have received that big a windfall for TW. But getting a very good deal with let’s say a 1st and 2nd is better than what we have now - which is a big goose egg - NOTHING. The trade market for LT is quickly drying up and neither BA nor TW will back down this year, meaning he doesn’t play. So what do you think he’s worth NEXT year? A lot less than what Houston offered this season.

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[quote=Warthog;1228153]I agree. We would never have received that big a windfall for TW. But getting a very good deal with let’s say a 1st and 2nd is better than what we have now - which is a big goose egg - NOTHING. The trade market for LT is quickly drying up and neither BA nor TW will back down this year, meaning he doesn’t play. So what do you think he’s worth NEXT year? A lot less than what Houston offered this season.[/quote]

Nothing has happened yet, I highly recommend waiting for something to happen then making judgement on it because it's pointless to speculate.

The trade market for TW could explode if a contender has their LT go down with an ACL in week 1. The trade market for TW could explode if a contender realizes their hopes are shot because they're trotting out the equivalent of Ereck Flowers at LT.

Have some patience guy. I'm all about jumping on this FO when they fuck up, but they haven't fucked up on this particular matter yet.

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I would have taken the 1 from the pats for Trent tried to sweeten it by asking for their third or fourth but confess I am no professional GM.

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1228156]I would have taken the 1 from the pats for Trent tried to sweeten it by asking for their third or fourth but confess I am no professional GM.[/QUOTE]



Neither is Bruce Allen so....

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[quote=Warthog;1228153]I agree. We would never have received that big a windfall for TW. But getting a very good deal with let’s say a 1st and 2nd is better than what we have now - which is a big goose egg - NOTHING. The trade market for LT is quickly drying up and neither BA nor TW will back down this year, meaning he doesn’t play. So what do you think he’s worth NEXT year? [B] A lot less than what Houston offered this season.[/B][/quote]

What did Houston offer?

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Houston gave up 2 x 1st round draft picks, 1x 2nd draft picks and two players for a good 25 year old OT with “potential.”

The Texans called Washington, who said they were not interested in talking. Perhaps if BA had taken that call he would have found how desperate and naive the Texans were.

But since Bruce Allen knows that TW is coming back, I’m sure everything will be fine.


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[QUOTE=Warthog;1228207]Houston gave up 2 x 1st round draft picks, 1x 2nd draft picks and two players for a good 25 year old OT with “potential.”

The Texans called Washington, who said they were not interested in talking. Perhaps if BA had taken that call he would have found how desperate and naive the Texans were.

But since Bruce Allen knows that TW is coming back, I’m sure everything will be fine.


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Of course. Bruce Allen knows the “truth”, and has everything under control. Don’t hold your breath....


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Warthog you keep assuming you know what the Texans offered for Trent. But we don’t even know if the Texans offered [B]anything[/B] for Trent. It’s a tremendous hole in your argument that renders all of your ranting entirely moot.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1228222]Warthog you keep assuming you know what the Texans offered for Trent. But we don’t even know if the Texans offered [B]anything[/B] for Trent. It’s a tremendous hole in your argument that renders all of your ranting entirely moot.[/QUOTE]



There were a lot of articles and news that the Texans had engaged the Redskins and offered a #1. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.......Then, 1-2 weeks later they make a huge trade for Tunsil which proves they WERE in fact looking for a LT. When taking all of this in, most would come to a very strong conclusion that the chances are extremely high the Texans kicked the tires on TW.

Regardless of what you believe, and regardless of what happened behind the scenes, this will look EXTREMELY bad for Bruce Allen if Trent doesn’t come back (after he’s been adamant that he will), and the they end up getting nothing when we all saw the haul Miami got. It will look even worse if Trent doesn’t come back, we get nothing for him, and the left side of the line is what ruins the season for us.

Bruce Allen has ran his mouth, has said he “knows the truth”, and continues to say Trent is coming back. Then we see what Miami got. He’s backed himself into a corner.




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