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Dak will get paid, just the name of the game


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DP is in a great spot. Timing is everything. Yeah he's an average QB but that doesn't matter. Average NFL QB's that are durable are going to get paid. Cowboys have no choice but to pay him and pay him a lot.

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[quote=MTK;1225564]Dak will get paid, just the name of the game


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I don't get how/why people don't get that QBs are overpaid and that's how things are in the NFL.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1225574]I don't get how/why people don't get that QBs are overpaid and that's how things are in the NFL.[/quote]

It's the same tired debate anytime the next guy's time is up.

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QB is the most important position on the team. Having a franchise QB, who can win close games for you, is the difference between being an average team and being that next level up or even being an elite team. That's why QB salaries keep going up.

My problem was not with how much Alex smith got paid. My problem is that Bruce Allen gave him a contract that's too long.

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[QUOTE=Warthog;1225838]QB is the most important position on the team. Having a franchise QB, who can win close games for you, is the difference between being an average team and being that next level up or even being an elite team. That's why QB salaries keep going up.



My problem was not with how much Alex smith got paid. My problem is that Bruce Allen gave him a contract that's too long.[/QUOTE]But thats how you make a qb salary cap friendly. It s**ks that Alex got catostrophically hurt in the first year, but if Alex had taken a shorter deal the cap hits without his injury would have been far less manageable. Thats the risk every FO takes.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1225841]But thats how you make a qb salary cap friendly. It s**ks that Alex got catostrophically hurt in the first year, but if Alex had taken a shorter deal the cap hits without his injury would have been far less manageable. Thats the risk every FO takes.

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No one can predict an injury - especially one like this that could be career-ending.

My point is, did Bruce Allen really think Alex Smith was the QB answer for the next 4-5 years for the Redskins? An aging, decent QB whose win-loss record looks great because he played for an outstanding team like the Chiefs. IMO, Bruce panicked because people were criticizing him about the Cousins situation (justified), so he overpaid and gave a long contract to an average QB to keep the team in the .500 range. If the team plays 7-9 or 8-8 then Allen can say: "we're ALMOST there". "We're just a player or two from the next level up". That's why Bruce win-loss record sux, because he sets low goals and is happy to make it.

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[QUOTE=Warthog;1225845]No one can predict an injury - especially one like this that could be career-ending.



My point is, did Bruce Allen really think Alex Smith was the QB answer for the next 4-5 years for the Redskins? An aging, decent QB whose win-loss record looks great because he played for an outstanding team like the Chiefs. IMO, Bruce panicked because people were criticizing him about the Cousins situation (justified), so he overpaid and gave a long contract to an average QB to keep the team in the .500 range. If the team plays 7-9 or 8-8 then Allen can say: "we're ALMOST there". "We're just a player or two from the next level up". That's why Bruce win-loss record sux, because he sets low goals and is happy to make it.[/QUOTE]

The contract was written with "outs" in it. Thats how good contracts are done. We were 6-2 with smith and dunbar. Losing thoae two particularly killed us.

You said yourself you were ok with the annualized amount, but to get that amount in a cap friendly manor you do a longer contract. Thats just how the current CBA works

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1225846]The contract was written with "outs" in it. Thats how good contracts are done. We were 6-2 with smith and dunbar. Losing thoae two particularly killed us.

You said yourself you were ok with the annualized amount, but to get that amount in a cap friendly manor you do a longer contract. Thats just how the current CBA works

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Yeah one think BA has been doing real solidly is structure contract very well from a team standpoint.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1225849]Yeah one think BA has been doing real solidly is structure contract very well from a team standpoint.[/QUOTE]I think it's Eric Schaeffer that does contracts.

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[quote=WillH;1225853]I think it's Eric Schaeffer that does contracts.

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Yeah, BA doesn't right them but he has final say and input, so I do think that's one thing we can (at least partly) credit him for.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1225857]Yeah, BA doesn't right them but he has final say and input, so I do think that's one thing we can (at least partly) credit him for.[/QUOTE]



BA f-ed up the Cousins contract by not deciding whether to keep him or let him go for 3 years; he paid $94 mill for an average QB for 5 years who was 34 years old. Last year USA Today asked NFL players representatives who they liked to deal with for player contracts. BA was rated LAST on that list in the NFL. Finally while BA has held his top position in the Redskins organization while the team has done well below average in the field. 7-9 two years in a row.

I don’t trust him to do the right thing with Trent Williams either in terms of paying him more to keep him or getting draft picks with another team if he must be traded. He sucks as a GM or in terms of dealing with players or their reps in a personal basis. No wonder TW doesn’t trust him!


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[quote=Warthog;1226050]BA f-ed up the Cousins contract by not deciding whether to keep him or let him go for 3 years; he paid $94 mill for an average QB for 5 years who was 34 years old. [B]Last year USA Today asked NFL players representatives who they liked to deal with for player contracts. BA was rated LAST on that list in the NFL. [/B] Finally while BA has held his top position in the Redskins organization while the team has done well below average in the field. 7-9 two years in a row.

I don’t trust him to do the right thing with Trent Williams either in terms of paying him more to keep him or getting draft picks with another team if he must be traded. He sucks as a GM or in terms of dealing with players or their reps in a personal basis. No wonder TW doesn’t trust him!


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I am by no means a BA fan, but the fact that agents don't like dealing with him on contracts isn't necessarily a bad thing, is it? Seems to me that the GMs they would most like dealing with are the easy marks that cave to their demands easily. Being ranked last on such a survey might even be a good thing. The guy makes some very poor decisions, IMO, but how player agents like dealing with him on contracts doesn't bother me.

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[quote=Number44;1226061]I am by no means a BA fan, but the fact that agents don't like dealing with him on contracts isn't necessarily a bad thing, is it? Seems to me that the GMs they would most like dealing with are the easy marks that cave to their demands easily. Being ranked last on such a survey might even be a good thing. The guy makes some very poor decisions, IMO, but how player agents like dealing with him on contracts doesn't bother me.[/quote]

Number44,
The poll of player agents was not "agents don't like dealing with him" or that they "do not like him." It was "Washington’s Bruce Allen is the NFL executive that player agents [B]trust the least in contract negotiations[/B]."
"Redskins, Bruce Allen [B]get low marks on preparedness, trust[/B]."
Why do think he earned that?
It may not bother you but why it really bothers me is he is obviously unprofessional. When we go into contract negotiations with our free agents that we really want back like Brandon Scherff and nothing gets done. Are we back to the Cousins situation all over again and Scherff walks?
You have to ask yourself what environment exists that good players like Cousins, Trent Williams and possibly Scherff all are not wanting to stay?

[URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/19/poll-of-agents-has-bruce-allen-as-least-trusted-executive/"]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/19/poll-of-agents-has-bruce-allen-as-least-trusted-executive/[/URL]

[URL="https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2018/04/19/nfl-agent-poll-bruce-allen-redskins-bill-belichick-demaurice-smith/528741002/"]https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2018/04/19/nfl-agent-poll-bruce-allen-redskins-bill-belichick-demaurice-smith/528741002/[/URL]

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[quote=Defensewins;1226076]Number44,
The poll of player agents was not "agents don't like dealing with him" or that they "do not like him." It was "Washington’s Bruce Allen is the NFL executive that player agents [B]trust the least in contract negotiations[/B]."
"Redskins, Bruce Allen [B]get low marks on preparedness, trust[/B]."
Why do think he earned that?
It may not bother you but why it really bothers me is he is obviously unprofessional. When we go into contract negotiations with our free agents that we really want back like Brandon Scherff and nothing gets done. Are we back to the Cousins situation all over again and Scherff walks?
You have to ask yourself what environment exists that good players like Cousins, Trent Williams and possibly Scherff all are not wanting to stay?

[URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/19/poll-of-agents-has-bruce-allen-as-least-trusted-executive/"]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/19/poll-of-agents-has-bruce-allen-as-least-trusted-executive/[/URL]

[URL="https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2018/04/19/nfl-agent-poll-bruce-allen-redskins-bill-belichick-demaurice-smith/528741002/"]https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2018/04/19/nfl-agent-poll-bruce-allen-redskins-bill-belichick-demaurice-smith/528741002/[/URL][/quote]

You said that the poll was to rank what GMs they like dealing with on contracts, and that is what I responded to. Now you say the poll was about trust. Perhaps you should have said that, if that is the case. Two totally different things. If agents are saying BA is dishonest, that is obviously a bad thing, and miles away from simply saying they don't like negotiating contracts with him.

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[quote=Number44;1226061]I am by no means a BA fan, but the fact that agents don't like dealing with him on contracts isn't necessarily a bad thing, is it? Seems to me that the GMs they would most like dealing with are the easy marks that cave to their demands easily. Being ranked last on such a survey might even be a good thing. The guy makes some very poor decisions, IMO, but how player agents like dealing with him on contracts doesn't bother me.[/quote]

Bill Belichick is viewed as favorable in that poll so is Ozzie Newsome those two are hardly easy marks. Others up top are Seahawks, Steelers and colts gms

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[quote=Number44;1226077][B]You said that the poll was to rank what GMs they like dealing with on contracts, and that is what I responded to.[/B] Now you say the poll was about trust. Perhaps you should have said that, if that is the case. Two totally different things. If agents are saying BA is dishonest, that is obviously a bad thing, and miles away from simply saying they don't like negotiating contracts with him.[/quote]

Number44 - Warthog said that, not I.
Either way Bruce Allen is an embarrassment to the organization in print, in the national media. USA Today and NBC sports are not local media, they are national. The entire country saw it. But Bruce Allen's job performance is still not held accountable by the ownership.
Trent Williams and Brandon Scherff's situations are now another nationally covered measure to Bruce Allen's front office. Let's see how it turns out.
Knowing Bruce Allen and his track record, I suspect it will not go well.

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[quote=Defensewins;1226087]Number44 - Warthog said that, not I.
Either way Bruce Allen is an embarrassment to the organization in print, in the national media. USA Today and NBC sports are not local media, they are national. The entire country saw it. But Bruce Allen's job performance is still not held accountable by the ownership.
Trent Williams and Brandon Scherff's situations are now another nationally covered measure to Bruce Allen's front office. Let's see how it turns out.
Knowing Bruce Allen and his track record, I suspect it will not go well.[/quote]

You apparently think I am a Bruce Allen fan. Nothing could be farther from the truth. All I said was that agents not liking to negotiate contracts with a GM doesn't make him a bad GM. You then said the agents specifically referred to trust, which was NOT in the post I responded to. All of your other comments are points I agree with and unrelated to my comment.

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I just re-read the original USA Today article which I hadn’t seen in a year. The main points in the survey is about the team’s negotiator in terms of:

Preparedness

Trust

Bruce Allen is LAST in the NFL. I don’t know how anyone could paint this as being good for the team. It has nothing to do with being a tough negotiator. I’m not backing Trent Williams holdout but he did mention not trusting BA as an issue.

I will know the Redskins franchise is finally turning around when Bruce Allen is fired.


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Poor bastard had 17 surgeries, please retire it’s not worth getting injured again.

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/alex-smith-reveals-he-had-17-operations-on-broken-leg-suffered-last-year-with-redskins/[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1234508]Poor bastard had 17 surgeries, please retire it’s not worth getting injured again.

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/alex-smith-reveals-he-had-17-operations-on-broken-leg-suffered-last-year-with-redskins/[/url][/quote]

He is one tough, optimistic son of a gun. I'd be way beyond defeated by now.

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You know what's crazy? Alex Smith could be the starter next yr

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If Smith comes back and starts over Haskins that's a huge red flag that Haskins is bust city.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1234511]He is one tough, optimistic son of a gun. I'd be way beyond defeated by now.[/quote]
He could lose $16+ mill in signing bonus money and $46Million in salary if he retires.

For that kind of money I would let you go "Misery" on me 17 times.
[IMG]http://www.i-mockery.com/halloween/greatest/pics/misery5.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=MTK;1234514]If Smith comes back and starts over Haskins that's a huge red flag that Haskins is bust city.[/quote]

Yes it is and at that point its time to draft another QB

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[quote=MTK;1234514]If Smith comes back and starts over Haskins that's a huge red flag that Haskins is bust city.[/quote]

I'm already 50% there w/ Haskins being a bust. They didn't even put him in against a college team.

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17 surgeries and you think he's coming back???

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[QUOTE=Burgold;1234545]17 surgeries and you think he's coming back???[/QUOTE]


He’s going to try



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[quote=MTK;1234547]He’s going to try



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Cooley said on his pod recently that Smith is doing fantastic physically and he has a great chance to be ready for the opener in 2020. No clue on if he plays here or is traded, etc. From hearing what other people are saying Smith is no longer walking with a limp and he has even been doing some very light running / treadmill work. He is well on his way to making it back. I didn't think he would ever play again, and i hope I was wrong thinking that.