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Williams should have come out publicly whenever he made his decision and said that due to irreconcilable differences over the handling of a personal matter he is asking that the Redskins pursue a trade. By staying publicly silent he was as negligent in this as the FO. And that is setting aside that this is a multi year health issue. We are not talking about someone with limited resources, who has to rely on work or govt healthcare. It was obviously not football related, and he should have seen specialists early on.

Only the Redskins could screw up something like this though, think of all the NFL critical catch propaganda, and even Mrs Snyder's own cancer scare.

Bottomline for me is it still seems like some things don't add up, and the Skins are going to find ways to screw it up more even if TW handled it poorly

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So what exactly is going to be independently reviewed? Whether the Skins medical staff committed malpractice by not timely or properly diagnosing the tumor like a reasonably competent doctor would? That Trent was notified and any delay was on him? That Trent could wear a helmet and is lying?

I wonder who pays for this third party review? Is this coming out of the NFL's operating budget? Im sure the other 31 owners are so happy about this latest development with the Skins.

Yesh ... should have just traded the guy. But no, Bruce wanted to get into a pissing match with the greatest Skin over the past decade bc after 8 seasons with this team .. god forbid a 31 year old perennial pro bowler wanted to get out of this rot and actually have a window at a championship or at least competitive football.

Fuck you Bruce.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1236014]Williams should have come out publicly whenever he made his decision and said that due to irreconcilable differences over the handling of a personal matter he is asking that the Redskins pursue a trade. By staying publicly silent he was as negligent in this as the FO. And that is setting aside that this is a multi year health issue. We are not talking about someone with limited resources, who has to rely on work or govt healthcare. It was obviously not football related, and he should have seen specialists early on.

Only the Redskins could screw up something like this though, think of all the NFL critical catch propaganda, and even Mrs Snyder's own cancer scare.

[B]Bottomline for me is it still seems like some things don't add up[/B], and the Skins are going to find ways to screw it up more even if TW handled it poorly

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I agree with the bold part, it's tough to determine which side is at fault since we don't have full answers. However, there is one thing that is evident - Allen messed this up a big time. Williams emphasized that he doesn't have any issues with Snyder, in fact he loves him but refused to say anything when a reporter asked him about Allen. Allen obviously is on a power trip and tried to force Williams' hands in this situation.

Based on those comments and all other things we have seen since last few years, I'm starting to feel like Snyder has been mostly hands off in football operations and let Allen take care of things because Allen supposedly knows what he is doing.. At this point, I hope things will look bad for Redskins after NFL and NFLPA review the case because if they concluded Redskins failed to do the job appropriately, I don't see how Snyder keep Allen after this situation.

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[quote=SunnySide;1236018][IMG]https://localtvwtkr.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/screen-shot-2019-10-31-at-7.34.23-pm.png?w=280&h=225[/IMG]

[B]So what exactly is going to be independently reviewed? Whether the Skins medical staff committed malpractice by not timely or properly diagnosing the tumor like a reasonably competent doctor would? That Trent was notified and any delay was on him? That Trent could wear a helmet and is lying?[/B]

I wonder who pays for this third party review? Is this coming out of the NFL's operating budget? Im sure the other 31 owners are so happy about this latest development with the Skins.

Yesh ... should have just traded the guy. But no, Bruce wanted to get into a pissing match with the greatest Skin over the past decade bc after 8 seasons with this team .. god forbid a 31 year old perennial pro bowler wanted to get out of this rot and actually have a window at a championship or at least competitive football.

Fuck you Bruce.[/quote]

I think Redskins is asking NFL and NFLPA to review everything in the bold part. I work in an integrated health center and we have a policy for whenever a patient got severely worst or died in our care (suicide attempt, bad medication reaction, and etc.), we will have a committee meeting to review the case fully and figure out whether if it was something we could have prevented or not, if so then what we can do to prevent it from happening again in the future. It is impossible to be 100% perfect with every treatment however, providers (doctors or medical staff) should do everything they can do to constantly improve their care. So, I think that's what Redskins is trying to find out, if it's something they could have done better or did they do everything they could do on their end.

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Someone is lying here:

Williams said no team official visited him at the hospital during his two weeks in Chicago, but former teammate DeAngelo Hall did.
[B]
A team source said head athletic trainer Larry Hess spent at least a week with Williams in Chicago. The source also said multiple team officials called Williams during this time and after he was released but those calls weren't returned.
[/B]

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1236022]Someone is lying here:



Williams said no team official visited him at the hospital during his two weeks in Chicago, but former teammate DeAngelo Hall did.

[B]

A team source said head athletic trainer Larry Hess spent at least a week with Williams in Chicago. The source also said multiple team officials called Williams during this time and after he was released but those calls weren't returned.

[/B][/QUOTE]I found it so hard to believe that Dan Snyder didn't go see TW AND TW wouldn't have a problem with that. Given as hands on as DS has been with other high profile Skins; ie Sean Taylor's tragedy and RG3's surgery.

Imo, either BA tried to keep DS in the dark on all this, or TW is lying about some parts. BA's cryptic and egotistical response to why DS isn't talking to the media seems to lend itself to BA trying to keep DS out of the loop wherever he can

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[quote=GridIron26;1236020]I think Redskins is asking NFL and NFLPA to review everything in the bold part. I work in an integrated health center and we have a policy for whenever a patient got severely worst or died in our care (suicide attempt, bad medication reaction, and etc.), we will have a committee meeting to review the case fully and figure out whether if it was something we could have prevented or not, if so then what we can do to prevent it from happening again in the future. It is impossible to be 100% perfect with every treatment however, providers (doctors or medical staff) should do everything they can do to constantly improve their care. So, I think that's what Redskins is trying to find out, if it's something they could have done better or did they do everything they could do on their end.[/quote]

I like the move by the Skins here.

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[quote=GridIron26;1236020]So, I think that's what Redskins is trying to find out, if it's something they could have done better or did they do everything they could do on their end.[/quote]

Your organization sounds like a reasonable, proactive and intelligent group that is genuinely concerned and motivated to maintain a high level of care and performance in your field.

The Redskins are none of those things. Im assuming here but I assume the Skins are doing this as a fact finding mission to gather evidence to use against Trent and not for quality control purposes.

Either way ... seems like the respective parties are preparing for a long, drawn out trench warfare. Let the nitpicking and airing of dirty laundry begin!

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[quote=mooby;1236002][url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27977296/trent-williams-lack-reaction-cancer-scare-blame-redskins-rift[/url]

It really sounds like the Redskins recommended he go see a specialist this offseason, and he did which is when they determined it was cancerous.

Also it makes sense to the that the Browns would offer a first rounder when they were flying high and thought they had good prospects at the beginning of the season. Now they're 2-5 and looking like garbage and know that first rounder is probably going to be decent so of course they wouldn't want to give it up.

Redskins played themselves. Bruce Allen's gamble was that this was about getting more money, obviously it's not considering Trent gave up 7 million during his holdout and didn't even hesitate when asked if a contract extension would solve things. He wants out. We should've obliged if a team offered a first rounder, that Browns pick would be looking great right now.[/quote]

Listening to the interview, this was really all about money. Trent specifically said he wanted more guaranteed money. He said it was ridiculous that he was an elite player in the league but didn't have guaranteed money the final two years. When a reporter asked him about all the guaranteed money he had on the front part of the deal, he laughed and said that was in the past.

So evidently Trent thinks he should be the first offensive lineman in the history of the league to have a fully guaranteed contract. If some new team gives him a contract, he'd play the guaranteed years and then hold out again. He came off completely as a greedy selfish player completely out of touch with reality. Even when discussing the medical stuff, he basically admitted that the medical staff didn't do anything wrong and it wasn't their fault. It was just a rare type of cancer.

I actually applaud the team for playing hard ball with Trent. Its would set a terrible precedent to cave into a players demands with 2 years left on his contract (especially with his injury and suspension history) - especially when hes smearing the medical staff as a cover. Unless the team gets some amazing offer, I hope they don't trade him next year. Trent should not be rewarded for his despicable behavior.

And also, Bruce Allen should be fired, but not for his handling of this situation. This is one of the few things he's done pretty well on.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1236022]Someone is lying here:

Williams said no team official visited him at the hospital during his two weeks in Chicago, but former teammate DeAngelo Hall did.
[B]
A team source said head athletic trainer Larry Hess spent at least a week with Williams in Chicago. The source also said multiple team officials called Williams during this time and after he was released but those calls weren't returned.
[/B][/quote]

Trent said a couple of things in his interview was contradictory, which is a sign he's been telling some lies. Perhaps not outright lies, but only telling parts of the story that support his narrative, while excluding others. This isn't unusual - i mean, we all do it to some degree.

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[quote=Chico23231;1236031]I like the move by the Skins here.[/quote]

Yep me too. I want to know who made this decision - Snyder, the medical team, or Allen? If it's Snyder or the medical team, or other staff not named Allen then I would think it's the move they made out of concerns. However, if it was Allen then I would agree with Sunny below.


[quote=SunnySide;1236034]Your organization sounds like a reasonable, proactive and intelligent group that is genuinely concerned and motivated to maintain a high level of care and performance in your field.

The Redskins are none of those things. Im assuming here but I assume the Skins are doing this as a fact finding mission to gather evidence to use against Trent and not for quality control purposes.

Either way ... seems like the respective parties are preparing for a long, drawn out trench warfare. Let the nitpicking and airing of dirty laundry begin![/quote]

I wouldn't be surprised if this is only reason why they made this move.. I'm looking forward to what conclusion NFL and NFLPA come up with, it will help us figure out which side (if not both) made mistakes. But it is very clear that Allen made this situation worse than it should have been.

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Read this fake news headline from CNN:

[url]https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/11/01/us/trent-williams-cancer-scare-washington-holdout-trnd/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F[/url]

Can you spot the fake news?

“NFL-er Trent Williams says he had a cancerous growth on his scalp and his team didn't do anything about it”

FAke fuckin garbage cnn

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The whole damn title is total misleading.... cnn sucks ass!! You can have lumps that are not cancer that can over time change.. skin issues due to sun exposure.. mouth ulcers due to dipping , smoking.. you can’t tell me that the redskins knew that Trent had cancer and did nothing about it.. I’m taking a stance agianst that type of reporting ! It’s bull crap !!

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Casserly:

3 years ago the Redskins doctors told Trent to see a specialist. The specialist said they couldn’t tell if it was cancerous and recommended surgery. Trent chose not to do so. This is all completely about money and he’s lied about the medical staff mishandling things to make it appear otherwise.

If this is true, Trent should be suspended without pay for the rest of the year for conduct detrimental to the team. His contract should toll. The skins should sue him for slander.

[url]https://youtu.be/OEaTnxZFyso[/url]

Starts around the 8 minute mark



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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1236061]Casserly:

3 years ago the Redskins doctors told Trent to see a specialist. The specialist said they couldn’t tell if it was cancerous and recommended surgery. Trent chose not to do so. This is all completely about money and he’s lied about the medical staff mishandling things to make it appear otherwise.

If this is true, Trent should be suspended without pay for the rest of the year for conduct detrimental to the team. His contract should toll. The skins should sue him for slander.

[url]https://youtu.be/OEaTnxZFyso[/url]

Starts around the 8 minute mark



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The fact that this lump was discovered 6 years ago and waited till June to do something about it is fishy and stupid.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1236061]Casserly:

3 years ago the Redskins doctors told Trent to see a specialist. The specialist said they couldn’t tell if it was cancerous and recommended surgery. Trent chose not to do so. This is all completely about money and he’s lied about the medical staff mishandling things to make it appear otherwise.

If this is true, Trent should be suspended without pay for the rest of the year for conduct detrimental to the team. His contract should toll. The skins should sue him for slander.

[url]https://youtu.be/OEaTnxZFyso[/url]

Starts around the 8 minute mark



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[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27997852/union-blasts-nfl-network-info-trent-williams[/url]

Looks like casserly was being feed information from Bruce and legal action could be going the other way. Bruce totally fucked this up from day one

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Look at the Patriots vs ravens games. The Pat’s LT played like crap and helped lose them the game. The could’ve used TW at the start of the season or beyond. Same with Texans or with the Browns. BA wouldn’t even hear what had to say when they called 3 months ago !! Not until it impossibly late to make a deal. If he’d done an EASY TRADE IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER wE’d be sitting be with a First rounder OR MORE now. But due to BA’s arrogance, obstinance and plain stupidity he blew an easy trade potential with TW.

BA is considered that worst GM in the NFL in terms of lack of talent, pettiness, lack of preparation before a meeting and trustworthiness. I hope the critical mass of BA’s buffoonery gets him fired by Snyder.
WE can’t take another Season with his mistakes and “ damn good culture’”


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While I think we can all agree BA is delusional idiot, this tweet is interesting

Craig Hoffman
@CraigHoffman
Per
@DeSmithNFLPA
on
@JunksRadio
- Trent Williams has asked the NFLPA not to pursue an investigation.

He’s upset that the team leaked out information. Also categorizes it as disinformation. Says if it doesn’t stop, they will pursue action.

Hmmmm..... no independent investigation..... optics don't look great

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1236372]While I think we can all agree BA is delusional idiot, this tweet is interesting

Craig Hoffman
@CraigHoffman
Per
@DeSmithNFLPA
on
@JunksRadio
- Trent Williams has asked the NFLPA not to pursue an investigation.

He’s upset that the team leaked out information. Also categorizes it as disinformation. Says if it doesn’t stop, they will pursue action.

Hmmmm..... no independent investigation..... optics don't look great[/quote]

I def want an investigation...and the Skins should do their due diligence because this is a serious charge by Trent. To stand up there like he did and tell this story...which was pick up and spread by fake news orgs...they shouldn't let it go. This is a bad look. fuck trent if he is lying especially about steps over a cancer diagnosis...seriously fuck him

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This is an ugly situation that is only going to get uglier. I only have two hopes for the outcome:
1) The truth comes out
2) Bruce Allen is fired.

Whether right or wrong (and its mostly been wrong), Bruce has presided over too many toxic situations.

This team needs a fresh start.

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[quote=Warthog;1236355]Look at the Patriots vs ravens games. [B]The Pat’s LT played like crap and helped lose them the game.[/B] The could’ve used TW at the start of the season or beyond. Same with Texans or with the Browns. BA wouldn’t even hear what had to say when they called 3 months ago !! Not until it impossibly late to make a deal. If he’d done an EASY TRADE IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER wE’d be sitting be with a First rounder OR MORE now. But due to BA’s arrogance, obstinance and plain stupidity he blew an easy trade potential with TW.

BA is considered that worst GM in the NFL in terms of lack of talent, pettiness, lack of preparation before a meeting and trustworthiness. I hope the critical mass of BA’s buffoonery gets him fired by Snyder.
WE can’t take another Season with his mistakes and “ damn good culture’”


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He was so bad he stood out like a sore thumb. He is a back up and will probably play the rest of the year. The guy has been playing for over a month. After seeing that hot mess I think the rumors of the Patriots offering a high pick for TW were probably true.

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According to Hoffman's twitter, TW has permanent nerve damage in his head, and surgeries affecting 30% of his scalp.

Who knows how all that affects a man's thoughts.

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[quote=Chico23231;1236375]I def want an investigation...and the Skins should do their due diligence because this is a serious charge by Trent. To stand up there like he did and tell this story...which was pick up and spread by fake news orgs...they shouldn't let it go. This is a bad look. fuck trent if he is lying especially about steps over a cancer diagnosis...seriously fuck him[/quote]

In order for the investigation to be successful, Trent will have to agree to have his medical records available, without his consent this will be a he said, she said.

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Trents camp leaks info about the severity of the issue.
SNYDER and his professional shit throwing chimpanzee Bruce Allen leak info related to TWs lack of responsibility for his own care.

This whole organization smells like shit.
Burn this motherfucker down already.

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That Cleveland 1st is looking real good right now. Even the Pats 1st does, allows us to replace the lost 2R in the Sweat move up.

C'est la vie for us.

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[quote=jamf;1236399]Trents camp leaks info about the severity of the issue.
SNYDER and his professional shit throwing chimpanzee Bruce Allen leak info related to TWs lack of responsibility for his own care.

This whole organization smells like shit.
Burn this motherfucker down already.[/quote]

The medical staff told trent to get it looked at by a specialist. He did. The specialist told him to have surgery. He didn't. Then he lies, said they endangered his life by telling him it was not dangerous. And he's doing it because he wants more money.

Sorry, but the team should be allowed to defend themselves. Trent cant be allowed to slander the reputations of the good men and women on the medical staff with impunity simply because he's a greedy SOB that wants more money.

Also, i'm pretty sure that players sign some sort of authorizations with teams that they are allowed to share medical information. They would have to, as teams regularly release information regarding the players medical condition for on and off the field injuries.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1236394]In order for the investigation to be successful, Trent will have to agree to have his medical records available, without his consent this will be a he said, she said.[/quote]

Based on what is being leaked it sounds like it might be in TWs best interest to not have the records available. If the tumor was as severe as explained and he has nerve damage then there is no way he is getting a guaranteed contract like he wants.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1236405]Based on what is being leaked it sounds like it might be in TWs best interest to not have the records available. If the tumor was as severe as explained and he has nerve damage then there is no way he is getting a guaranteed contract like he wants.[/quote]

Aside from that, it would prove that he lied about the medical care provided in an effort to extort more money from a team that had made him the highest paid LT in the league with a heavily front loaded contract. What team is going to give big money to a player who would do THAT? It would be like choosing to get married to a woman when you know she has a history of cheating on her husbands, getting divorced, and taking half their assets. Smart teams don't do that.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1236407]Aside from that, it would prove that he lied about the medical care provided in an effort to extort more money from a team that had made him the highest paid LT in the league with a heavily front loaded contract. What team is going to give big money to a player who would do THAT? It would be like choosing to get married to a woman when you know she has a history of cheating on her husbands, getting divorced, and taking half their assets. Smart teams don't do that.[/quote]

That is speculation too. I am more of an innocent until proven guilty kind of guy, but if you are going to force me to choose sides based on speculation alone I would say I trust TW way more than our FO.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1236401]
Sorry, but the team should be allowed to defend themselves. Trent cant be allowed to slander the reputations of the good men and women on the medical staff with impunity simply because he's a greedy SOB that wants more money.
[/quote]
I get that but you are treating this like an isolated incident.
You can't just blame the player every time. This isn't a Su'a Cravens situation, respected players are speaking out.

No everyone has an axe to grind. This shit is just reality at Redskins Park.


Here is a comment Tim Hightower made on @redskinstoday instagram in regards to Casserlys comments about TW.
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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1236410]That is speculation too. I am more of an innocent until proven guilty kind of guy, but if you are going to force me to choose sides based on speculation alone I would say I trust TW way more than our FO.[/quote]

It seems to me that you are more of a guilty until proven innocent type of guy. Williams is the accuser here.

Now he's the one that doesn't want an independent investigation? The Redskins offered to fire anyone on their medical staff that was responsible and Williams said he didn't want to cause anyone to lose their job. Huh? You claim that they told you not to worry about a cancerous growth and you don't want them fired? Now the Redskins request the League and the players union that an independent investigation be run to get to the bottom of it and Williams tells the union he doesn't want an investigation. Why on earth not?

Bruce Allen has proven to be absolutely terrible for this team, but in this one instance, it is looking like the player is probably the one that isn't being truthful.

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[quote=Number44;1236416]It seems to me that you are more of a guilty until proven innocent type of guy. Williams is the accuser here.

Now he's the one that doesn't want an independent investigation? The Redskins offered to fire anyone on their medical staff that was responsible and Williams said he didn't want to cause anyone to lose their job. Huh? You claim that they told you not to worry about a cancerous growth and you don't want them fired? Now the Redskins request the League and the players union that an independent investigation be run to get to the bottom of it and Williams tells the union he doesn't want an investigation. Why on earth not?

Bruce Allen has proven to be absolutely terrible for this team, but in this one instance, it is looking like the player is probably the one that isn't being truthful.[/quote]

Agree that TW handled this poorly not sure what your point is.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1236417]Agree that TW handled this poorly not sure what your point is.[/quote]

You said that if forced to decide who to believe on this, you would choose Williams. I'm simply pointing out that the Redskins offered to fire anyone responsible and he said he doesn't want anyone to lose their job -- and then when the Redskins requested that the League and union investigate independently, Williams said he doesn't want that. To me, it is really hard to believe Williams when he's the one that wants the matter not looked into. He leveled an accusation, but doesn't want anyone investigating to find the truth.

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There are no winners in this fight, Bruce Allen is a loser, Trent Williams should've been traded long ago to the highest bidder, and there is no concrete info available (other than Trent Williams had a mass removed from his scalp) so there is no easy way to pick a side. Everyone is at fault here.

The big thing I blame Trent for is implicating its' the Redskins fault it wasn't taken seriously to start with, and now for backing down when the NFLPA wants to do its' investigation to counteract the Redskins ongoing investigation. How are we supposed to know if there's any truth to Trent's claims if he won't allow the NFLPA to investigate?

If Trent wants to shit-talk the Redskins at every opportunity for how they've handled this, it reflects poorly on him that he won't allow the NFLPA to investigate his accusations. You brought it this far, it has to be allowed to proceed so we can actually determine if the Redskins docs are to blame. The fact Trent doesn't want it to go forward makes me want to believe he's the one to blame for not taking it seriously in the first place.

And now there's nothing left to do except let him sit out the rest of the season and trade him in the offseason. It's terrible handling by both parties that is has been allowed to come this far.

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[quote=mooby;1236424]There are no winners in this fight, Bruce Allen is a loser, Trent Williams should've been traded long ago to the highest bidder, and there is no concrete info available (other than Trent Williams had a mass removed from his scalp) so there is no easy way to pick a side. Everyone is at fault here.

And now there's nothing left to do except let him sit out the rest of the season and trade him in the offseason. It's terrible handling by both parties that is has been allowed to come this far.[/quote]

All this. Everyone is a loser in this. Should have never gotten this far but here we are.

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[quote=jamf;1236411]I get that but you are treating this like an isolated incident.
You can't just blame the player every time. This isn't a Su'a Cravens situation, respected players are speaking out.

No everyone has an axe to grind. This shit is just reality at Redskins Park.


Here is a comment Tim Hightower made on @redskinstoday instagram in regards to Casserlys comments about TW.
[URL="https://ibb.co/WvkXsty"][IMG]https://i.ibb.co/60HSNBP/IMG-6352.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/quote]

Hightower is using a strawman fallacy. He's claiming that Casserly said Trent chose not to treat his illness because he wanted more money. Thats not what Casserly said at all. He said Trent didnt heed the specialists advice (presumably not a member of the redskins staff) that he have surgery. Then 3 years later, Trent is asking for more money. One was not related to the other.

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[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/11/4/20947866/nflpa-trent-williams-asked-us-not-to-pursue-a-formal-investigation-of-his-medical-records[/url]

What does it mean when one side wants an investigator combing through records and the other side doesn't?

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Just a side note here, if TW had been traded...and then failed that team's physical, which seems entirely possible now, then the trade is null and void correct? Meaning...even if they had traded him, they might still be exactly where they are now. A complete f'ng mess.

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[quote=Redskins247;1236434]Just a side note here, if TW had been traded...and then failed that team's physical, which seems entirely possible now, then the trade is null and void correct? Meaning...even if they had traded him, they might still be exactly where they are now. A complete f'ng mess.[/quote]

As long as he has a helmet he's comfortable with he won't fail a physical.

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1236429]Hightower is using a strawman fallacy. He's claiming that Casserly said Trent chose not to treat his illness because he wanted more money. Thats not what Casserly said at all. He said Trent didnt heed the specialists advice (presumably not a member of the redskins staff) that he have surgery. Then 3 years later, Trent is asking for more money. One was not related to the other.[/quote]

What Hightower is saying is that if a doc had explained the severity to him 3 years ago, Trent would not have ignored it. I imagine it was somewhere in the middle, the staff told him he might want to get it checked out just to be safe. It probably wasnt even cancerous when the Skins staff told Trent something about it.

Casserly needs to watch it though. The NFLPA statement was saying he essentially violated HIPAA by using an anonymous source (cough Bruce cough) to disclose Trent's private medical information. The NFLPA statement was also saying they wont stand by and allow one sided "anonymous sources" to be published on the NFL Network to smear an NFL player.

I work peripherally with HIPAA and it only applies to medical organizations doing the disclosure .. so Casserly is not subject to a HIPAA violation but Id bet Bruce may be as part of the Skins and perhaps CBA language.

Authorizations are for allowing authorizations for medically necessary and related purposes, usually to a defined and named parties ... not for being leaked to the media to smear a patient in public.

It all stinks, Bruce sucks, Trent should have been traded and we should be sitting on 2 top 10 draft picks ... instead we get to play the leak game where fans sit around and decide how much or how little to trust each individual anonymous" leak ... one drip at a time.