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i wouldn't cry if they drafted Tua

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1245393]Riveras statement, alongside talking with Tua and Burrow are brilliant moves by Ron Rivera. By doing that, he makes the teams below him in the draft (Det, Mia etc) to start thinking they need to move up to the 2 spot for Tua. If Detroit bites, they will trade additonal draft picks to move up to #2. They get Tua, Washington STILL gets their guy Chase Young and gets some valuable draft picks in the process. If no one bites, Skins still get Young. Rivera playing with house money. Nothing to lose and everything to gain. Well played.[/quote]

Yep I wouldn't be surprised if you even start seeing rumors of "The redskins are serious contenders for Tua" I just don't see Detroit letting Stafford go yet

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[quote=mredskins;1245394]i wouldn't cry if they drafted Tua[/quote]

I wouldn't either but I'd hope we can get a 2nd for Haskins then, and that is probably not happening

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1245396]Yep I wouldn't be surprised if you even start seeing rumors of "The redskins are serious contenders for Tua" I just don't see Detroit letting Stafford go yet[/QUOTE]I think Bruce had a rumor mill department designed to shade thoughts and decisions. I would be disappointed to see any rumors swirl around our team. And it doesn't seem like a RR thing to do.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1245399]I think Bruce had a rumor mill department designed to shade thoughts and decisions. I would be disappointed to see any rumors swirl around our team. And it doesn't seem like a RR thing to do.

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I think this is different then the Bruce rumor mill where he smeared redskin employees he didn't like; AKA: Scot M.

This type of rumoring with the draft is more part of the game and makes sense; he wants to see if he can get added value at 2.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1245397]I wouldn't either but I'd hope we can get a 2nd for Haskins then, and that is probably not happening[/quote]

They both be on rookie contracts I say let them battle it out a couple seasons; best man gets the job second best yields us a draft pick.

Its the most important position on the field the hardest to fill. IF Tua and Chase Young both became ALL PRO; Tau would bring the bigger impact to us.

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Haskins, our #2, plus some players (like Kerrigan or Trent) or picks to the Bengals for the #1 pick to draft Burrow. Bengals draft Chase Young.

And if your objection to this idea is that the Bengals wouldn't want Haskins, then you need to ask yourself - why should we?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1245413]Haskins, our #2, plus some players (like Kerrigan or Trent) or picks to the Bengals for the #1 pick to draft Burrow. Bengals draft Chase Young.

And if your objection to this idea is that the Bengals wouldn't want Haskins, then you need to ask yourself - why should we?[/quote]

I would like Burrow but I'm not sure he's hands down that much better than Tua right now

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1245413]Haskins, our #2, plus some players (like Kerrigan or Trent) or picks to the Bengals for the #1 pick to draft Burrow. Bengals draft Chase Young.

[B]And if your objection to this idea is that the Bengals wouldn't want Haskins, then you need to ask yourself - why should we?[/B][/quote]

If we are getting rid of Haskins, any team would be skeptical (see Rosen last offseason).

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1245414]I would like Burrow but I'm not sure he's hands down that much better than Tua right now[/quote]

There is just more of a health concern with Tua. Even before the hip thing, he's always getting hurt. Both appear to be clear upgrades over Haskins. I would be fine taking Tua at 2 and either trading Haskins or going into 2020 and letting them compete. See who shines and there's your starter. If they both shine, then trade one of them in 2021 or 2022.

I'd also be fine taking Young or trading down if the offer is obscene.

We are in a very very good spot in my opinion.

- Trading up for Burrow - Great Decision
- Stay and Select Young - Great Decision
- Stay and select Tua - Great Decision
- Trade down to 3-6, accumulate picks and still get an elite talent - Great Decision

If Bruce were in charge, I would be worried he'd find a way to screw up any of these scenarios. But he's not. I completely trust the people we have in charge.

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1245413]Haskins, our #2, plus some players (like Kerrigan or Trent) or picks to the Bengals for the #1 pick to draft Burrow. Bengals draft Chase Young.



And if your objection to this idea is that the Bengals wouldn't want Haskins, then you need to ask yourself - why should we?[/QUOTE]No way we should give up haskins AND our #2 plus other stuff.

Keep #2, trade Haskins Kerrigan or TW and maybe a 4th or later pick.

But realistically no team is doing either side of that type of trade.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1245418]There is just more of a health concern with Tua. Even before the hip thing, he's always getting hurt. Both appear to be clear upgrades over Haskins. I would be fine taking Tua at 2 and either trading Haskins or going into 2020 and letting them compete. See who shines and there's your starter. If they both shine, then trade one of them in 2021 or 2022.

I'd also be fine taking Young or trading down if the offer is obscene.

We are in a very very good spot in my opinion.

- Trading up for Burrow - Great Decision
- Stay and Select Young - Great Decision
- Stay and select Tua - Great Decision
- Trade down to 3-6, accumulate picks and still get an elite talent - Great Decision

If Bruce were in charge, I would be worried he'd find a way to screw up any of these scenarios. But he's not. I completely trust the people we have in charge.[/quote]

I agree.

Thank god we lost that OT game in Dec to the giants, that lost could be franchise changing.

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We’re not taking Tua or Burrows in any crazy trade. When you draft a QB in the first round, you build around him and give him 20-35 games to succeed or fail. They will ride Haskins for better or worse until given a far chance to become a franchise QB.

We’re drafting Chase Young unless offered something crazy.

In Dwayne Haskins last two games he had a QB rating of 120 and 141. His fifth and sixth NFL games. Exactly what do you want with this guy, beyond that?


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[quote=Warthog;1245431]We’re not taking Tua or Burrows in any crazy trade. When you draft a QB in the first round, you build around him and give him 20-35 games to succeed or fail. They will ride Haskins for better or worse until given a far chance to become a franchise QB.

We’re drafting Chase Young unless offered something crazy.

In Dwayne Haskins last two games he had a QB rating of 120 and 141. His fifth and sixth NFL games. Exactly what do you want with this guy, beyond that?


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In the next few weeks the Tau horn is going get really really loud.

I agree with your above if jay was still here but this is a new leadership team, I won't be shocked if we grabbed Tau.

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[quote=Warthog;1245431]We’re not taking Tua or Burrows in any crazy trade. When you draft a QB in the first round, you build around him and give him 20-35 games to succeed or fail. They will ride Haskins for better or worse until given a far chance to become a franchise QB.

We’re drafting Chase Young unless offered something crazy.


In Dwayne Haskins last two games he had a QB rating of 120 and 141. His fifth and sixth NFL games. Exactly what do you want with this guy, beyond that?


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I agree the Redskins are trying to convince other teams that they are interested in Tua or Burrows in the hope they will get an offer they cannot refuse for the #2 pick

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[quote=Irrefutable;1245433]I agree the Redskins are trying to convince other teams that they are interested in Tua or Burrows in the hope they will get an offer they cannot refuse for the #2 pick[/quote]

I don't see why you wouldn't think that the Skins are actually evaluating outstanding talents like Tua and Burrow as their possible first round pick instead of just using the threat of picking one of them as trade bait.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1245438]I don't see why you wouldn't think that the Skins are actually evaluating outstanding talents like Tua and Burrow as their possible first round pick instead of just using the threat of picking one of them as trade bait.[/quote]

The Redskins would have to think Tua or Burrows were significantly better than Haskins. And with all the needs they have, it would be hard to have two first-round picks at QB. (barring Haskins being traded)

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[quote=Irrefutable;1245441]The Redskins would have to think Tua or Burrows were significantly better than Haskins. And with all the needs they have, it would be hard to have two first-round picks at QB. (barring Haskins being traded)[/quote]

I'm not sure Ron is really sold on Dwayne as his franchise QB, could there be an AZ Like thought process? We don't know

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Saying off-season type things to up the possible draft haul is smart business.

In reality, if this team does anything that involves Haskins not being QB1 next year, I'll lose my marbles. Basically means we wasted our 1st round pick last year and this year, passed on the hands down best player in this draft.

Keep the pick, draft the game wrecker and move on.

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Haskins is not Rosen. Rosen looked like a deer in the headlights and was clearly a bust in his first year. Haskins improved and showed flashes as the season wore on, and clearly has potential to improve over the summer. Plus he's made a good move setting up a camp with the receivers in Florida. Hardly worthy of abandoning him/throwing him under the bus.

Best we get if we trade him is a low rd1 and that's a waste of last year's rd1 and probably this year's if Tau is injury prone.

Trade maybe, pick Tau no way!

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Haskin’s 6th game was with a QB rating of 120 (max 154). His seventh game had a QB rating of 141 before he was hurt. Maybe he got lucky. But it sure looked to me that he was getting more confident and was improving rapidly with every game. 120 and 141 QB rating is elite. Not “ok”, not “good”, it’s elite. That’s as a rookie, with crappy TE, rookie WR, below average OL and Callahan as an interim HC.

Rosen looked like a bust his rookie season. He didn’t have any 120 rating games. I think people looked at Haskin’s first game where he had 3 INT and figured he was a draft bust. But he got to finally practice with the first team, they stabilized the OL, and he improved every game he played.

I don’t know if Haskins will be the franchise QB for the Redskins. But he had a damn good rookie season and constantly improved. I bet he’ll get better this season with some real TE, at good OL, a far better OC. Drafting Tua is just crazy talk by people who turned the tv off after his first game.


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[quote=Warthog;1245579]Haskin’s 6th game was with a QB rating of 120 (max 154). His seventh game had a QB rating of 141 before he was hurt. Maybe he got lucky. But it sure looked to me that he was getting more confident and was improving rapidly with every game. 120 and 141 QB rating is elite. Not “ok”, not “good”, it’s elite. That’s as a rookie, with crappy TE, rookie WR, below average OL and Callahan as an interim HC.

Rosen looked like a bust his rookie season. He didn’t have any 120 rating games. I think people looked at Haskin’s first game where he had 3 INT and figured he was a draft bust. But he got to finally practice with the first team, they stabilized the OL, and he improved every game he played.

I don’t know if Haskins will be the franchise QB for the Redskins. But he had a damn good rookie season and constantly improved. I bet he’ll get better this season with some real TE, at good OL, a far better OC. Drafting Tua is just crazy talk by people who turned the tv off after his first game.


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Well said Agree 100%.

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[quote=Warthog;1245431]We’re not taking Tua or Burrows in any crazy trade. When you draft a QB in the first round, you build around him and give him 20-35 games to succeed or fail. They will ride Haskins for better or worse until given a far chance to become a franchise QB.

We’re drafting Chase Young unless offered something crazy.

In Dwayne Haskins last two games he had a QB rating of 120 and 141. His fifth and sixth NFL games. Exactly what do you want with this guy, beyond that?


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Look what the Cardinals did with Rosen after 16 games. Best decision they ever made.

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[QUOTE=SkinzWin;1245591]Look what the Cardinals did with Rosen after 16 games. Best decision they ever made.[/QUOTE]



Right! Because Rosen was a draft bust and did NOT improve during his rookie season.

If you only looked at Haskins first game ( which was awful) OR just looked at Haskins overall rookie numbers (which included his terrible first game) you might think he could be a draft bust. But at a closer examination of his games showed he improved constantly every game. His last two games had ELITE numbers.

So-called “experts” like Kiper only looked at Haskjn’s overall numbers, not his continual improvement. Rosen never improved, nor had any games that could be called elite. Rosen didn’t even have any really good games. The Cardinals were right to get rid of Rosen, but Rosen is not Haskins.


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I’m not saying we should give Haskins away. But I also think the $h!t show that was the 2019 season is not enough data to say he will be good or be a bust. Especially not if you are basing it off two games at the end of the season when no one has much to play for unless you are a playoff contender.

[quote=Warthog;1245612]Right! Because Rosen was a draft bust and did NOT improve during his rookie season.

If you only looked at Haskins first game ( which was awful) OR just looked at Haskins overall rookie numbers (which included his terrible first game) you might think he could be a draft bust. But at a closer examination of his games showed he improved constantly every game. His last two games had ELITE numbers.

So-called “experts” like Kiper only looked at Haskjn’s overall numbers, not his continual improvement. Rosen never improved, nor had any games that could be called elite. Rosen didn’t even have any really good games. The Cardinals were right to get rid of Rosen, but Rosen is not Haskins.


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[QUOTE=SkinzWin;1245630]I’m not saying we should give Haskins away. But I also think the $h!t show that was the 2019 season is not enough data to say he will be good or be a bust. Especially not if you are basing it off two games at the end of the season when no one has much to play for unless you are a playoff contender.[/QUOTE]



You’re exactly right. There were so many things WRONG with our offense it’s impossible to know what type of QB Haskin’s will be. His first game was terrible and his last two games were outstanding. If he DIDN’T have those last two excellent games, I think the idea of drafting Tua might be justified.

However, Haskins was hurt and he played through it. He started to become a leader of the team. He really looked very good in those last games, with many things (porous OL, no TE, rookie WR, weak playcalling) going against him and the offense.

What those last two games meant was that he DESERVES a second season to prove himself. He may ultimately be a draft bust or just an average QB. But the end of last season means the team has to give him a chance to prove himself one way or another.


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[quote=Warthog;1245654]You’re exactly right. There were so many things WRONG with our offense it’s impossible to know what type of QB Haskin’s will be. His first game was terrible and his last two games were outstanding. If he DIDN’T have those last two excellent games, I think the idea of drafting Tua might be justified.

However, Haskins was hurt and he played through it. He started to become a leader of the team. He really looked very good in those last games, with many things (porous OL, no TE, rookie WR, weak playcalling) going against him and the offense.

[B]What those last two games meant was that he DESERVES a second season to prove himself. [/B] He may ultimately be a draft bust or just an average QB. But the end of last season means the team has to give him a chance to prove himself one way or another.


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It's a business and he's a contractor; therefore, he doesn't deserve jack. Sorry, that's just the way it is in the NFL.

Nevertheless, I have no problem with the Skins developing him. I think the ankle sprain held him back and I'm optimistic about what he can do when fully healthy.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1245662]It's a business and he's a contractor; therefore, he doesn't deserve jack. Sorry, that's just the way it is in the NFL.



Nevertheless, I have no problem with the Skins developing him. I think the ankle sprain held him back and I'm optimistic about what he can do when fully healthy.[/QUOTE]



NFL - not for long. I’m excited to see if Haskins can improve this season toward the franchise QB we all have been waiting for. But if he flops, we’ll be using our first rounder for a QB in 2021. I think the offense will improve out of the cellar but the defense will carry the team this season. I just don’t think they can fix all the holes on the offense.


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I have been a vocal critic of Haskins for quite some time. My criticisms have had nothing to do with his football intelligence or ability, but completely having to do with his work ethic and commitment to doing what it takes to be an NFL quarterback.

So this is exactly what i want to see:

[Quote] Throughout the offseason, the Redskins coach has emphasized how he wants Dwayne Haskins to take his commitment to another level. That's happening so far, too, as Rivera told reporters last week at the Combine that the QB has been a constant presence at the organization's facility in Ashburn.[/quote]

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-fans-will-love-seeing-these-videos-dwayne-haskins-and-derrius-guice-working-out[/url]

Keep it up, Dwayne, and you’ll have earned this.



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Pissed off for greatness!

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Problem is, when the HC has to come out and say he needs to be more committed. Hopefully he matures.

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People will always find faults. Just own it if you don't like him you don't like him. I'm rolling with DH I got his back.

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I'm a fan of his, I am on board of building around him. He's a kid still (u know what I mean)

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1245977]People will always find faults. Just own it if you don't like him you don't like him. I'm rolling with DH I got his back.[/quote]

What is up with the ridiculous persecution complex?

Haskins was graded by most teams as a 2nd or 3rd round talent. The football people in our organization liked him, but didn't think he deserved to be drafted at 15. Snyder and Allen overruled the experts in the organization, like current defacto GM Kyle Smith, and reached for him at 15 anyways.

There were reports all offseason and during most of the regular season that Haskins was not taking the job seriously. That he wasn't putting in the work. And that his own team mates were put off by it. "Selfie-gate" got a lot of an attention, but it that was just one manifestation of a genuine, true, and very real underlying problem with Haskins that you don't have with the overwhelming majority of first round rookie starting QBs.

Bottom line - the criticism of Haskins was well-deserved.

Front office executives, Coaches, and players do not deserve our blind loyalty.

People will (and should) like or dislike a player, coach, or executive, based on their performance, work ethic, and commitment. If they work hard, take the job seriously, lead, and perform, fans will justifiably praise them. If they don't, they deserve criticism.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1245994]What is up with the ridiculous persecution complex?

Haskins was graded by most teams as a 2nd or 3rd round talent. The football people in our organization liked him, but didn't think he deserved to be drafted at 15. Snyder and Allen overruled the experts in the organization, like current defacto GM Kyle Smith, and reached for him at 15 anyways.

There were reports all offseason and during most of the regular season that Haskins was not taking the job seriously. That he wasn't putting in the work. And that his own team mates were put off by it. "Selfie-gate" got a lot of an attention, but it that was just one manifestation of a genuine, true, and very real underlying problem with Haskins that you don't have with the overwhelming majority of first round rookie starting QBs.

Bottom line - the criticism of Haskins was well-deserved.

Front office executives, Coaches, and players do not deserve our blind loyalty.

People will (and should) like or dislike a player, coach, or executive, based on their performance, work ethic, and commitment. If they work hard, take the job seriously, lead, and perform, fans will justifiably praise them. If they don't, they deserve criticism.[/quote]

You are spot on, us as fans sometimes get blinded by the truth.. It's been that way with me many times in the past. The team looks to be going in the right direction but as a fan of a letdown year after year, I'm not all in on the new train yet. Also if it means drafting Tua at #2 to make our franchise better than see ya Dwayne (I'm not saying we should) but I trust Ron and the new staff to make good decisions.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1245996]You are spot on, us as fans sometimes get blinded by the truth.. It's been that way with me many times in the past. The team looks to be going in the right direction but as a fan of a letdown year after year, I'm not all in on the new train yet. Also if it means drafting Tua at #2 to make our franchise better than see ya Dwayne (I'm not saying we should) but I trust Ron and the new staff to make good decisions.[/quote]

Agreed. I may be a fool, but, for the first time in two decades, I genuinely trust the decision-makers on this team. For the first time in that span, we have [B]true football people[/B] making decisions in the front office. In Rivera and Smith I trust.

If they go "all-in" or "all-out" on Dwayne or any other player, i'm on board. If they feel certain players need to "prove it," i'm on board. Basically, i'm on board with whatever the team decides until I hear reports of Snyder meddling or some other dysfunction emerging.

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I'm going with Rivera is an undercover genius, going with the 2 pronged accomplishments: Lighting a fire under Haskins (appears to be working) and ginning up a possible massive trade hall for the # 2 pick.

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There is absolutely no way you don't give a kid with this arm talent a full 2nd season where he is a actually set up to be successful:

[url]https://youtu.be/E3r5cxPiSDw[/url]

He has a rocket arm.

Note - McLaurin is an absolute monster. He has chance to be best WR in the league in a couple seasons.

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[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001105494/article/redskins-should-stick-with-dwayne-haskins-nfl-combine-risers[/url]

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I'm all in on Haskins too. He's earned the opportunity to keep proving himself under Ron. If for some reason Ron doesn't like him I'm fine with moving on, but nothing Rivera has said indicates that's the case.