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[quote=Warthog;1241659]Rivera kept O’Connell![/quote]

If true, I am good with that and, dare I say it, excited to see what he can do with Haskins next year.

However, I have not seen anything indicating that O'Connell is staying. Do you have a link? All I have seen is reports that KOC will be interviewing.

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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1241631]I think Doug WIlliams is useless and needs to go. Hopefully they put a competent football decision maker in his place.


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You may be right but it's so hard to tell with any of our front office guys when Allen was their boss. They didn't even tell him that they were trading for Alex Smith until after the deal. He was told to "turn off his phone" until the next day. What kind of bullshit is that?

I'd like to see which guys can work with RR and which ones can't. I guess that period will be between now and the draft.

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[quote=Warthog;1241659]Rivera kept O’Connell! I am really exciting to see O’Connell when he is not tied to the over-riding inputs of Gruden and Callahan. Those inputs to the play calling made us predictable and run heavy.

I think we got to see O’Connell in true action in the last few games. His play calling was imaginative and effective. Haskins started to rise to the challenge in the last two games!


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This reminds me of all the Twitter people that try to break news first. Where is your link?

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From Keim on O'Connell (and Offensive coaches generally):


John Keim Verified account @john_keim · 6m6 minutes ago [~10:50]

Still waiting for anything official on the offensive staff. Still fluid.
[url]https://twitter.com/john_keim[/url]

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Redskins offensive coordinator Kevin O’Connell will interview with new Washington coach Ron Rivera to determine if he’ll stay on staff in the same role, according to a report.

The NFL Network reported O’Connell “has a chance to stick” around given his work with quarterback Dwayne Haskins, who made significant progress …

[url]http://capitalsportsnc.com/?p=884129[/url]


Yikes ... Rivera has no connection to this guy. I dont see the old school guy keeping the young 34 year old new school kid.

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[quote=SunnySide;1241710]Redskins offensive coordinator Kevin O’Connell will interview with new Washington coach Ron Rivera to determine if he’ll stay on staff in the same role, according to a report.

The NFL Network reported O’Connell “has a chance to stick” around given his work with quarterback Dwayne Haskins, who made significant progress …

[url]http://capitalsportsnc.com/?p=884129[/url]


Yikes ... Rivera has no connection to this guy. I dont see the old school guy keeping the young 34 year old new school kid.[/quote]

I think you're overreacting. If Rivera likes KOC I see no reason why KOC can't stick around. Rivera is obviously not one of these coaches that insists he runs the offense knowing damn well that's not where his expertise is.

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[quote=mooby;1241715]I think you're overreacting. If Rivera likes KOC I see no reason why KOC can't stick around. Rivera is obviously not one of these coaches that insists he runs the offense knowing damn well that's not where his expertise is.[/quote]

Yes I was. Rivera is keeping OConnell. Looks like Cavanaugh is out.

[url]https://riggosrag.com/2020/01/01/ron-rivera-keeps-just-five-coaches-previous-redskins-staff/[/url]

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[quote=SunnySide;1241718]Yes I was. Rivera is keeping OConnell. Looks like Cavanaugh is out.

[url]https://riggosrag.com/2020/01/01/ron-rivera-keeps-just-five-coaches-previous-redskins-staff/[/url][/quote]

That article is 23 hours old and not officially confirmed, Kaczor, Jordan, KOC, weight coach and a mystery 5th coach who might be Cavanaugh. Both have coached together in the past. Hopefully these guys are kept and won’t know till it’s official. Too many bogus rumors already.

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I think O’Connell will get the nod from RR for OC. One thing you can be sure of is that every player and coach must fight and compete for their job!! That why Rivera made a comment about Haskins and bringing in another veteran QB and having a competition in TC or something. To me it’s about MOTIVATION and CHALLENGING all the players to perform at their maximum level. If you slack off you’ll be riding pine.....


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[quote=Warthog;1241819]I think O’Connell will get the nod from RR for OC. One thing you can be sure of is that every player and coach must fight and compete for their job!! That why Rivera made a comment about Haskins and bringing in another veteran QB and having a competition in TC or something. To me it’s about MOTIVATION and CHALLENGING all the players to perform at their maximum level. If you slack off you’ll be riding pine.....


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I am glad to believe that we will finally be seeing the case of the best player gets to start, and not the guy with the biggest contract. For all we know Haskins might not beat out another QB in camp. But at the end of the day, the best player will have the job.

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1241822]I am glad to believe that we will finally be seeing the case of the best player gets to start, and not the guy with the biggest contract. For all we know Haskins might not beat out another QB in camp. But at the end of the day, the best player will have the job.[/QUOTE]Well Gruden didn't start Haskins, he played "the best QB" . Problem with that is it didn't allow for ceiling as well as current. And Guice was probably the better running back between AP and him(at this point in their respective careers) but injury risk wasn't factored in by Gruden.

My point is that it isn't just best player, it is the best 46 active players that function as 1 team. I hope Rivera is a strong enough leader to propel these guys forward in that singular direction.

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@RapSheet

#Panthers OC Scott Turner is interviewing with new #Redskins coach Ron Rivera today for the vacant OC job, source said. Incumbent Kevin O’Connell is considered the favorite, but Turner, whose work impressed this year, could potentially end up as his QB coach if he’s not the OC.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1241695]This reminds me of all the Twitter people that try to break news first. Where is your link?[/QUOTE]



I made my post based on internet articles on Riggo’s Rag and NBC Sports in the day of O’’Connell’s first interview. I think some of the sports writers assumed that because O’Connell was interviewed by Rivera and was still in the team that he had the OC job (all but five coaches had been fired).

Later reports put O’Connell’s status more in the air as I think Rivera wants to make sure everyone fights and applies themselves for their individual position. For example, Rivera specifically mentioned Haskins in the press conference and you would think that he would be a shoe-in because he was our #1 pick in the 2019 draft and had played in seven games - getting better every game ( the last two games were excellent). Yet, Rivera said that even Haskins might have veteran QB competition in training camp.

The message is clear: no one’s job is a lock or immune from scrutiny, with competition and challenges at every position.

O’Connell may have a lot of fan support , but the Redskin’s offense was last in the NFL in both rushing and passing in 2019. Rivera must be certain that KOC is the right man for a job as critical as the OC.


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I definitely like that O'Connell isn't just being handed the job. He's been touted as a bright up and coming offensive mind, but what, exactly, has he actually done? He's called plays for what, 13 games this year? And its not like our offense was on fire, either.

For the sake of continuity, I have no problem with keeping him on in some capacity, even as OC, but we definitely need some experienced coaches on the offense.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1241852]I definitely like that O'Connell isn't just being handed the job. He's been touted as a bright up and coming offensive mind, but what, exactly, has he actually done? He's called plays for what, 13 games this year? And its not like our offense was on fire, either.

For the sake of continuity, I have no problem with keeping him on in some capacity, even as OC, but we definitely need some experienced coaches on the offense.[/quote]

He developed Haskins quickly, Callahan had the handcuffs on him and finally
Removed them in the last 3-4 games. I don’t want to lose another talented coach like we have many times already and thriving with other teams.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1241853]He developed Haskins quickly, Callahan had the handcuffs on him and finally
Removed them in the last 3-4 games. I don’t want to lose another talented coach like we have many times already and thriving with other teams.[/quote]

Have some perspective. No one is banging on the door trying to get Kevin O'Connell to be their offensive coordinator.

O'Connell has less than a year of experience calling plays on a 3-13 team whose offense ranked 31st in the league.

He may have potential as a bright young, up and coming offensive mind, but he's done nothing this league to be handed anything.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1241854]Have some perspective. No one is banging on the door trying to get Kevin O'Connell to be their offensive coordinator.

O'Connell has less than a year of experience calling plays on a 3-13 team whose offense ranked 31st in the league.

He may have potential as a bright young, up and coming offensive mind, but he's done nothing this league to be handed anything.[/quote]

It's been reported KOC is widely respected in the league, even from his playing days backing up Brady in NE.

Anybody who thinks he wouldn't be able to find another offensive coordinator job is delusional. Matt Lafleur landed a HC gig based off 2 years of OC experience with the Rams and Titans. The majority of NFL teams would love a young up-and-coming offensive coordinator.

All those media reports that talk about the respect KOC has, do you think they wrote those without talking to people outside the Redskins org. about KOC?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1241854]Have some perspective. No one is banging on the door trying to get Kevin O'Connell to be their offensive coordinator.

O'Connell has less than a year of experience calling plays on a 3-13 team whose offense ranked 31st in the league.

He may have potential as a bright young, up and coming offensive mind, but he's done nothing this league to be handed anything.[/quote]

And how do you know no one is interested in KOC? I guarantee you many teams are interested in him, they know he’s under contract.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1241858]It's been reported KOC is widely respected in the league, even from his playing days backing up Brady in NE.

Anybody who thinks he wouldn't be able to find another offensive coordinator job is delusional. Matt Lafleur landed a HC gig based off 2 years of OC experience with the Rams and Titans. The majority of NFL teams would love a young up-and-coming offensive coordinator.

All those media reports that talk about the respect KOC has, do you think they wrote those without talking to people outside the Redskins org. about KOC?[/QUOTE]Well, I believe Scott Turner, as Norv Turner's son, may get some of the same type accolades, we just don't here them. He did take a rookie qb in Carolina and do pretty good. So the question becomes who does Rivera jive with better. That is where Rivera having final say over his staff, and actually doing honest evaluations is so important. It will also be a test of Haskins growth as an NFL player if he changes his offseason habits to match Rivera's hard nosed approach.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1241854]Have some perspective. No one is banging on the door trying to get Kevin O'Connell to be their offensive coordinator.

O'Connell has less than a year of experience calling plays on a 3-13 team whose offense ranked 31st in the league.

He may have potential as a bright young, up and coming offensive mind, but he's done nothing this league to be handed anything.[/quote]

Correct!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1241862]Well, I believe Scott Turner, as Norv Turner's son, may get some of the same type accolades, we just don't here them. He did take a rookie qb in Carolina and do pretty good. So the question becomes who does Rivera jive with better. That is where Rivera having final say over his staff, and actually doing honest evaluations is so important. It will also be a test of Haskins growth as an NFL player if he changes his offseason habits to match Rivera's hard nosed approach.

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Will Scott have trust in Snyder who fired his dad? Is there any resentment there? Maybe KOC OC Scott QB coach as being floated.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1241864]Will Scott have trust in Snyder who fired his dad? Is there any resentment there? Maybe KOC OC Scott QB coach as being floated.[/quote]
There are really 2 questions

1) would Norv tell Scott to wait for another option.

2) If you are KOC, and the Rivera brings his old OC in to be your QB coach do you feel comfortable that a back channel from QB coach to HC won't develop if friction occurs.

Bottomline, Rivera has to have the full control to bring in, or keep, the guy that will be right for the team he is building. I am looking forward to hearing how the staff is built.

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Riverboat is doing the right thing not handing the job over to O'Connell...that woulda been a "Bruce"-like demand. Let Ron take his time and assemble the staff the way he wants, I have a feeling both KOC and Scott Turner could be on staff

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[quote=Chico23231;1241868]Riverboat is doing the right thing not handing the job over to O'Connell...that woulda been a "Bruce"-like demand. Let Ron take his time and assemble the staff the way he wants, I have a feeling both KOC and Scott Turner could be on staff[/quote]

+1

I only want KOC if Rivera wants him. But acting like KOC hasn't done jack or is a no-name is completely ignoring all evidence to the contrary.

I also welcome Scott Turner if Rivera wants him too. I want Rivera to have a staff that is fully on board with his plan.

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Good new article by JP regarding KOC

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/kevin-oconnells-future-uncertain-redskins-interview-norv-turners-son-report[/url]

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Rivera says here they have a ST coordinator in place. Was told that is in reference to Nate Kaczor, who is staying on in the same role where he helped guide Tress Way to a Pro Bowl season

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Morocco Mole could be back

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/1/3/21048557/redskins-rumors-gm-wont-be-hired-until-after-the-draft-morocco-brown-a-leading-candidate[/url]

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[quote=mooby;1241858]It's been reported KOC is widely respected in the league, even from his playing days backing up Brady in NE.

Anybody who thinks he wouldn't be able to find another offensive coordinator job is delusional. Matt Lafleur landed a HC gig based off 2 years of OC experience with the Rams and Titans. The majority of NFL teams would love a young up-and-coming offensive coordinator.

All those media reports that talk about the respect KOC has, do you think they wrote those without talking to people outside the Redskins org. about KOC?[/quote]

No, i don't think they wrote those reports without talking to other people. But some of those same ones in the media are saying KOC shouldn't automatically get the job and that Rivera is wise for doing interviews. Both Sheehan and Finlay have said on their podcasts KOC would not necessarily be a hot OC candidate on the Market. Sheehan, especially.

Also, a person can be widely respected in a certain role; that doesn't mean that other teams covet that that person to promote in their own organization. a QB coach can be widely respected - that doesn't mean another organization would make him their head coach or offensive coordinator.

KOC presided over the 2nd-worse offense in the league. 30 other teams already have better options than KOC at their OC position already. Some orgs in a rebuilding mode might take a chance on him, but its not guarantee. My point is that KOC is not YET viewed in league circles the way Sean McVay was or the way Eric Bieneimy is right now.

He, like Haskins, is young, and has showed promise. There's a lot to be excited about with KOC. But he's not yet on the same level as the top OCs. He's much closer to Scott Turner than he is to any of them.

I'm not saying this to trash him. Purely due to his relationship with Haskins alone, I'd want to keep him on the staff. If he's the best OC candidate Rivera interviews, then i'll be very happy to have him on staff. If not, then let him keep the OC title and work with Haskins, but bring in the other guy that Rivera likes better to run the offense.

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[quote=mooby;1241870]+1

I only want KOC if Rivera wants him. But acting like KOC hasn't done jack or is a no-name is completely ignoring all evidence to the contrary.

I also welcome Scott Turner if Rivera wants him too. I want Rivera to have a staff that is fully on board with his plan.[/quote]

No one is saying he hasn't done jack - just that he hasn't done anything to deserve being handed an OC position.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1241914]No one is saying he hasn't done jack - just that he hasn't done anything to deserve being handed an OC position.[/quote]

I want to assume I'm reading this wrong, because it reads like you think KOC was promoted to OC and then playcaller even though he didn't do anything to deserve being promoted.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1241919]I want to assume I'm reading this wrong, because it reads like you think KOC was promoted to OC and then playcaller even though he didn't do anything to deserve being promoted.[/QUOTE]I think the point was that with a new, better, staff coming in, KOC's limited experience doesn't qualify as an automatic pass on going through the interview and evaluation process. If KOC impresses we all hope that Rivera will make his choice on those basis' not whether KOC was a golden child here before, or Scott Turner was his OC in Carolina.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1241938]I think the point was that with a new, better, staff coming in, KOC's limited experience doesn't qualify as an automatic pass on going through the interview and evaluation process. If KOC impresses we all hope that Rivera will make his choice on those basis' not whether KOC was a golden child here before, or Scott Turner was his OC in Carolina.

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Just so we're clear, I am in no way promoting the idea that KOC deserves to be Rivera's OC because he was Jay Gruden's OC.

If Rivera likes KOC and thinks he will be fine running the offense, bring him back.

If Rivera likes Bill Callahan's 1940's 80 runs a game offense better than KOC's, bring Callahan back.

The decision is Rivera's. I want complete coaching cohesion more than I want any one assistant coach. We absolutely could not afford to have KOC on staff if he went out and taught concepts that Rivera conflicted with.

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It looks like some of Carolina staff moving north.

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/whos-report-shows-rivera-hiring-new-coaches-booting-some-redskins-favorites[/url]

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[quote=mooby;1241943]Just so we're clear, I am in no way promoting the idea that KOC deserves to be Rivera's OC because he was Jay Gruden's OC.

If Rivera likes KOC and thinks he will be fine running the offense, bring him back.

If Rivera likes Bill Callahan's 1940's 80 runs a game offense better than KOC's, bring Callahan back.

The decision is Rivera's. I want complete coaching cohesion more than I want any one assistant coach. We absolutely could not afford to have KOC on staff if he went out and taught concepts that Rivera conflicted with.[/quote]

And that's why I think Rivera moves on from KOC. I think he wants to know he's got the coaches on his staff who are all going to be one the same page. I have no problem with that. As long as it's Rivera making the decisions.

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I would love Pat Shurmur as OC.

:thumbsup:

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Yes Pat Shurmur would be an outstanding get. I think I’d also be thrilled to retain O’Connell.

But if you want to compare resumes it’s Shurmur hands down. Very accomplished at multiple stops.

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So Pat Shurmur as OC and Jason Garrett as QB Coach?

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1242121]So Pat Shurmur as OC and Jason Garrett as QB Coach?[/quote]

I mean y not? But Garrett will get an OC role somewhere

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I would love Shurmur over KOC.

Young, rising, offensive coordinators are all the rage right now. While I dont think KOC has done anything even remotely remarkable yet, he's talked about enough that, if he has a great year or two, he'll be a serious HC candidate in 2021 or 2022. So if he sucks, we clearly don't want him. But if he's good, we're going to lose him and have to look for another OC again.

Shurmur, on the other hand, is a proven, excellent OC who has failed twice as a head coach. I doubt he gets a 3rd chance any time soon. We would have him for as long as we want him.

Give me the proven high-quality candidate who will remain with the team several years over gambling on a young rising star, who, if he works out, will just leave to help some other team.

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1242121]So Pat Shurmur as OC and Jason Garrett as [B]QB Coach[/B]?[/quote]

Need to find someone to give Dwayne Haskins consistent grade A fundamentals.
I noticed how Keenum usually throw tight spirals with his feet properly planted and a nice arm motion. If that could only rub off on Haskins. I don't get the inconsistency with him and his techniques.