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I hate Dan so much that I wish I could walk away from this team but my fucking love for them won't let me.. It's like an abusive relationship

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You think other owners want to go down this path? We gonna uncover the facts in their building. Roger will not have the support

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[quote=Chico23231;1255712]You think other owners want to go down this path? We gonna uncover the facts in their building. Roger will not have the support[/quote]

I fear you are correct here. As much as I was hoping that this story would uncover something Dan himself was doing/had done...so far it has not. Even if Dan is not liked by most of the other owners, I'm sure they all somewhat "know stuff" about each other that they're not willing to force him to sell over this...mostly because a lot of them know this same type of behavior is happening at their place too right now.

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[quote=MTK;1255622]Not at all surprising this organization has been such garbage under Snyder[/quote]

+1 agree

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[quote=MTK;1255709]In today's climate I wouldn't be so sure about that.

[B]And ultimately it shouldn't matter if there are no "direct" connections. His team, his problem.[/B][/quote]

Absolutely. He is responsible because he did not put adequate communications, employee training, and controls in place to address and virtually eliminate these problems.

He may also face the possibility of Federal Government intervention in his HR Department (such as it is). I'm not sure if his organization is large enough or whatever else governs what the Feds can do in his case, but they might just look into it.

He's not off the hook. You can believe that. This is very bad for the NFL. The other owners should be fed up with him by now. I think they just might kick his ass out of the league this time.

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[quote=Chico23231;1255708]These allegations just don’t reach the level of forcing Dan out. Just my opinion. If Dan had allegations directly connected to him...then yes.[/quote]

I agree with Chico. If you had Dan on recording doing something inappropriate then yes, but you can bet he'll be quick to point to the employee manual and the removal of the offenders in his defense.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1255715]Absolutely. He is responsible because he did not put adequate communications and controls in place to address and virtually eliminate these problems.

He may also face the possibility of Federal Government intervention in his HR Department (such as it is). I'm not sure if his organization is large enough or whatever else governs what the Feds can do in his case, but they might just look into it.

[B]He's not off the hook. You can believe that. This is very bad for the NFL. The other owners should be fed up with him by now. I think they just might kick his ass out of the league this time[/B].[/quote]

He's not off the hook. On top of all of the horrible crap that has happened under his watch, Snyder is not liked by the owners, the franchise has consistently been a thorn in the side of the NFL, and the minority owners of the team want out.

Honestly, at this point is not a matter of if, but when is the NFL going to force Snyder out.

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I don't care.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1255718]I don't care.[/quote]

And yet you took the time to write that.

Normally when I don't care I don't feel the need to say it.

Different strokes I guess.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1255717]He's not off the hook. On top of all of the horrible crap that has happened under his watch, Snyder is not liked by the owners, the franchise has consistently been a thorn in the side of the NFL, and the minority owners of the team want out.

Honestly, at this point is not a matter of if, but when is the NFL going to force Snyder out.[/quote]

There are also many avenues to get him out [U][U]without asking the owners to vote on the matter.[/U][/U] His sponsors abandoning him is one. As cashflow, the current and future value of his franchise, the inability to sell luxury boxes and even plebeian seats, the as yet unknown negative effects of the Covid-19 crisis, etc. squeeze him tighter financially, he'll sell.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1255725]There are also many avenues to get him out [U][U]without asking the owners to vote on the matter.[/U][/U] His sponsors abandoning him is one. As cashflow, the current and future value of his franchise, the inability to sell luxury boxes and even plebeian seats, the as yet unknown negative effects of the Covid-19 crisis, etc. squeeze him tighter financially, he'll sell.[/quote]

This is a good point! The fact that his biggest sponsor is also a majority owner that wants to sell could be a deciding factor...but I think the Fed Ex contract goes to 2025 if I'm not mistaken? And let's face it, no one is going to be wanting to be a minority owner with Snyder now especially, between this and the name issue, it's just bad business to be associated with this team.

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This, this, and this:
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^ What a pompous jerk.

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[quote=Redskins247;1255746]This is a good point! The fact that his biggest sponsor is also a majority owner that wants to sell could be a deciding factor...but I think the Fed Ex contract goes to 2025 if I'm not mistaken? And let's face it, no one is going to be wanting to be a minority owner with Snyder now especially, between this and the name issue, it's just bad business to be associated with this team.[/quote]

Just think of all the big name FA will be able to get know. :doh:

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I haven’t been here since the season ended and as the forums resident female, I hope they kick Snyder’s ass out.


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I'm guessing that some of these employees are the Cheerleaders that we heard about a few years back. Is there anything really new in this?

More than a dozen women allege sexual harassment and verbal abuse by former team employees at Redskins Park
 

I have been in the military for over 30 years and with a civilian company (airline) for over 25. The fact that this was acceptable behavior since the 1990’s is just freakin unbelievable. Pinching butts and cat calling- I thought that crap went out with the Rat Pack in the early ‘60’s. The only way to end it is to clean house - hold a hearing for any person involved, and if they did it, or condoned it fire their ass immediately. Snyder should RESIGN, but knowing him, he’ll just move his portable rock with him and settle somewhere else. I mean an organization with over 200 people and NO HR DEPARTMENT?? WTF? That just INVITES bad behavior. ESPECIALLY when you have young, pretty, UNPAID, cheerleaders and JR cheerleaders who you have representing the team ALL OVER THE WORLD. When I was commanding a base in AFGHANISTAN in 2002-3, the Redskins JR Cheerleaders (if they have a real name please correct me) came through. Really nice young women representing the team. The thought that they had NO HR protection is just freakin’ terrible. They have NO ONE to go to if this sort of sexist shitte goes on.

In the military or airline, if this sort of crap goes on, they do an investigation and if you’re guilty, your career is over. Period. Zero tolerance.

Snyder may pretend that l HE LOVES the franchise and legacy but under his so-called “leadership” this sexist rot was allowed to exist. He has brought this team as low as it can go! Does he know what this means to his fans, who by association are rooting for this shitte?

At the very least, Snyder needs to have a press conference and APOLOGIZE TO THE FANS. BEG FORGIVENESS. Firing a couple guys is NOT ENOUGH!

Anyone who thinks that this immature crap is ok, hasn’t worked in corporate America in the last 20 years. Yes, cases do happen. But they are dealt with swiftly and the guilty party is fired.

Sexual predators pick on the youngest, weakest and most troubled people of a certain group. What starts as inappropriate comments, turns into pinching, grabbing, unasked for hugs, etc. to worse. I believe the article has more aggregious behavior, but since they knew Snyder would sue them, they pulled back to stories that could BE PROVEN IN THE COURTROOM.

Snyder has just brought this franchise to a new low. He IS UNDOUBTEDLY THE WORST OWNER IN THE NFL. I now see why the co-owners tried to sell their shares, with NO-TAKERS. Snyder has made a mockery of this team with his Mis-management and by the horrible way he treats his lower employees. He’ll fly the company jet to help a player get a surgery, while leaving vulnerable women in his staff out to dry.

This shows what a low-life scum Snyder is. Many women have to go to the Wash Post, with a viable story before Snyder does anything. Same with the name, he only moved when the big money threatened to pull out. Snyder is a case study in how to ruin an organization through buffoonery and mismanagement.


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It also shows how sick Hollywood is ... this ain’t nothing close to Hollywood’ and Epstein island ... let’s call ALL of them out ..

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Hollywood absolutely had a role in this. Doesn't fan Snyder own a movie company? I think Chrissy teagans silence on this speaks volumes.

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[quote=SunnySide;1255810]Hollywood absolutely had a role in this. Doesn't fan Snyder own a movie company? I think Chrissy teagans silence on this speaks volumes.[/quote]

Thanks Obama!

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Now the NFL says it supports the so-called "independent" investigation by a law firm that Snyder hired. I do not trust such an investigation. The NFL Office is either stupid to accept this as a positive first step or they fear that similar situations in other franchises might come to light in a truly independent investigation and they're helping Snyder to sweep it under the rug.

Any investigation initiated and paid for by Snyder should be unacceptable to the NFL, the State of Virginia, and the Federal Government.

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There is something else that bothers me .. this stuff was supposed to be happening as far back as 2006 .. that means Gibbs(2cnd tenure) and Shanny were at the helm as well as Zorn, Gruden .. who I always thought was a sleaze.. I have a hard time believing Gibbs , Zorn or shanny would have known this ..

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Yes, it is true. I cared enough to say I don't care. Feel free to go full Freudian.

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[quote=MTK;1255812]Thanks Obama![/quote]

#youknowwhathedid

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I don’t like the Wash Po, which I consider too liberal to be objective. However, I believe this story. If a large, sports franchise has no HR, then it doesn’t know or it doesn’t care if sexist behavior exists. This is also a clear case where more women may have told the WP of their stories, but which could not be used because there was not enough supporting data.

If this story doesn’t bother you, than my first question is: Do you have any daughters? If so, how would you feel if this was your daughter?


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[quote=Warthog;1255824]I don’t like the Wash Po, which I consider too liberal to be objective. However, I believe this story. If a large, sports franchise has no HR, then it doesn’t know or it doesn’t care if sexist behavior exists. This is also a clear case where more women may have told the WP of their stories, but which could not be used because there was not enough supporting data.

If this story doesn’t bother you, than my first question is: Do you have any daughters? If so, how would you feel if this was your daughter?


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Daughters, wives, mothers, sisters, friends...

I wouldn't want that garbage to happen to anyone. Throwing up your hands and saying oh well who cares means you are part of the problem.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1255783]I haven’t been here since the season ended and as the forums resident female, I hope they kick Snyder’s ass out.


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Good to see you around. It would be nice is DS goes

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;1255783]I haven’t been here since the season ended and as the forums resident female, I hope they kick Snyder’s ass out.


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A worthy return post (not that you need the book report from me). I completely agree.


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[QUOTE=MTK;1255834]Daughters, wives, mothers, sisters, friends...

I wouldn't want that garbage to happen to anyone. Throwing up your hands and saying oh well who cares means you are part of the problem.[/QUOTE]


Amen to that. How effing hard is it for people not to act this way? Seriously? What the hell is wrong with people?


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So I was curious to see what was the lead story on the Redskins app. It features cheerleaders doing yoga in the park in inviting poses. How effing stupid is this organization? Maybe it wouldn’t normally be anything noteworthy, but doing it now is idiotic.


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[quote=calia;1255881]Amen to that. How effing hard is it for people not to act this way? Seriously? What the hell is wrong with people?


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Agreed.

I would think that an FO job with the Redskins not only pays well, but also carries a certain amount of cache. As such, those guys could probably get all the action they want without becoming abusive jackasses.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1255767]This, this, and this:
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Does anyone remember this?

[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/sports/redskins-cheerleaders-nfl.html[/url]


This article was first published May 2, 2018.

When the Washington Redskins took their cheerleading squad to Costa Rica in 2013 for a calendar photo shoot, the first cause for concern among the cheerleaders came when Redskins officials collected their passports upon arrival at the resort, depriving them of their official identification.

For the photo shoot, at the adults-only Occidental Grand Papagayo resort on Culebra Bay, some of the cheerleaders said they were required to be topless, though the photographs used for the calendar would not show nudity. Others wore nothing but body paint. Given the resort’s secluded setting, such revealing poses would not have been a concern for the women — except that the Redskins had invited spectators.

A contingent of sponsors and FedExField suite holders — all men — were granted up-close access to the photo shoots.

One evening, at the end of a 14-hour day that included posing and dance practices, the squad’s director told nine of the 36 cheerleaders that their work was not done. They had a special assignment for the night. Some of the male sponsors had picked them to be personal escorts at a nightclub.

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[quote=MTK;1255706]Section 8.13, titled "Disciplinary Power of Commissioner", gives Goodell the authorization to discipline an owner if he or she "has either violated the Constitution and Bylaws of the League or has been or is guilty of conduct detrimental to the welfare of the League or professional football."

If the commissioner doesn't believe the $500,000 fine is "adequate or sufficient," he can choose to "refer the matter to the Executive Committee" to invoke additional punishments, such as:

"Cancellation or forfeiture of the franchise in the League of any member club involved or implicated. If such occurs, the affected franchise shall be sold and disposed of under the provisions of Section 3.8(B) hereof."

[URL="https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/nfl-lays-groundwork-remove-jerry-jones-cowboys-owner-article-1.3635937"]link[/URL][/quote]

This is all they need and it's bye-bye......................

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[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1284260066053562371/photo/1[/url]
Dan and Tanya apologize ... to the organization. Which they should but if they haven’t figured out how to build a work culture in 20 years they probably won’t now

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1255920][url]https://mobile.twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1284260066053562371/photo/1[/url]
Dan and Tanya apologize ... to the organization. Which they should but if they haven’t figured out how to build a work culture in 20 years they probably won’t now[/quote]

What does Tanya have to do with any of this? This letter is pure bullshit.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1255923]What does Tanya have to do with any of this? This letter is pure bullshit.[/quote]

She is another bulletproof vest for DS nothing more

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1255923]What does Tanya have to do with any of this? This letter is pure bullshit.[/quote]

Everyone complained he didn’t apologize then he does apologize and it’s bullshit. Jesus Christ

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Snyder needs to own this, the culture is what he has enabled for 20 years. I hope that advertisers stay away as long as he's owner. The franchise is definitely more valuable if he isn't part of it. It is cowardly to hide behind Coach Rivera and Mrs. Snyder. If he really cared, he would have done something after the 2018 cheerleading scandal. He's only responding because he knows that the NFL could force him out. That much is FINALLY real to him.

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The behavior of Alex Santos and Larry Michael...how in the fuck did these guys remain in executive roles? Dan seemed like he didn’t give a shit...he definitely knew of the behavior.

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==== I Do Not Condone Sexual Harassment ========

The NFL is not going to kick him out. Bob Kraft got caught visiting rub and tugs. The Dallas Mavericks had the same thing reported. It would be different if there was a sexual assault report. Like it or not, this was not a bombshell. This was barely more than a firecracker. This activity is common in America. It is especially common in male-driven industries. 60% of women say they experience "unwanted sexual attention, sexual coercion, sexually crude conduct, or sexist comments" in the workplace. I do not know if Snyder knew. Mark Cuban did not know. 90% of employees who experience harassment never file a formal complaint; 75% never complain to their employers either.

The cheerleading scandal was way worse. They were basically pimping them out. He is the current punching bag and everybody's favorite whipping boy, but in 2 months, this will all be forgotten.

==== Again - I Do Not Condone Sexual Harassment ========