Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1269969]He has a young, smart and up and coming talent evaluator as good as Beathard and you just don’t risk losing him like you did Sean McVay.[/quote]
Oh I don’t want him gone. I read on another board some people think they are bringing in the guy from Carolina for a couple years to show Kyle the ropes of the admin side of being a GM.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=MissouriSkin;1269970]Oh I don’t want him gone. I read on another board some people think they are bringing in the guy from Carolina for a couple years to show Kyle the ropes of the admin side of being a GM.[/quote]

I’m fine with that as long as Kyle is good with it.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1269961]I’m sure he’s learned quite a bit from his GM father over the years.[/quote]

That's not a given.

It's obvious Kyle Smith's eye for talent isn't the issue here, it's him being young and having minimal experience handling those other GM duties.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=MissouriSkin;1269967]Also heard he was a grade A ass as well. We will see how it all plays out. Ron knows what he’s doing IMO. I know on other boards people seem to forget the Panthers were a mess and he took them to 15-1 and a Super Bowl.[/quote]

Heard the Grade A ass thing too. His dad also had the same eye for talent, the Chargers drafted well under AJ Smith but either ownership or Smith was too cheap to pay them when their contracts were up. They let a lot of talent walk in those days and it cost them their window with Rivers/Tomlinson/Gates.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1269969]He has a young, smart and up and coming talent evaluator as good as Beathard and you just don’t risk losing him like you did Sean McVay.[/quote]

As good as Beathard?

If that were the case he'd have 31 other suitors
The kid has potential but hasn't even produced a winning team yet.

Beathard? Hall of fame dynasty builder.

Lets not get too carried away.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=skinsnut;1269987]As good as Beathard?

If that were the case he'd have 31 other suitors
The kid has potential but hasn't even produced a winning team yet.

Beathard? Hall of fame dynasty builder.

Lets not get too carried away.[/quote]

Budding stars:
Payne
Settle
Young
Sweat
McLaurin
Gibson
Holcomb

Solid playmakers:
Moreland
Kurl
Smith-Williams
Hudson

Jury is out on them:
Martin
Love
Charles
AGG
Ismael
Harmon
Christian
Stroman
SDH

Busts:
Guice
Haskins (not his pick)
Apke

Other NFL rosters:
Brailford Vikings
Piersbacher Eagles
Quinn Jags

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

Dude, get some perspective.

Beathard is historically one on the 5 best pure GMs in the 100 year history of professional football.

Kyle is the son of a above average GM.

Yes Kyle has drafted well over about 3 years, but in no way should he be compared to Beathard. The guy has a single year or shared experience dealing with vets. I believes he deserves a GM contract too, but I think you've made an outrageous comparison, thats all.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=skinsnut;1269991]Dude, get some perspective.

Beathard is historically one on the 5 best pure GMs in the 100 year history of professional football.

Kyle is the son of a above average GM.

Yes Kyle has drafted well over about 3 years, but in no way should he be compared to Beathard. The guy has a single year or shared experience dealing with vets. I believes he deserves a GM contract too, but I think you've made an outrageous comparison, thats all.[/quote]

I know what Bobby did, 4 teams, 7 SB appearances and 4 SB wins, there is a reason he’s in the HOF. My point is, in 3 years of drafting Kyle has accumulated a nice haul, if you looked at the list, it’s no coincidence. The pattern also shows his draft are getting better from the previous ones and he’s doing it in 7 rounds, not 12. We haven’t had a talent acquirer like this since BB, he’s 35 and just getting started. This guy could keep the team in contention for many years. If we make the playoffs, he’s the first person I would give credit too for building that Dline, bring McLaurin Gibson in the O.

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Agree. Love his recent drafts. Id love him as a GM too. Hope he can handle the free agency side. Losing a HOF potential LT hurt us significantly. If we had him, we'd definitely be in the playoffs. Imagine screens with gibson in space with trent williams escorting him. What a major screwup by Bruce. This should NEVER be allowed to happen again

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[URL="https://www.nfl.com/news/washington-football-team-planning-to-hire-general-manager-after-season"]Per Ian Rapoport[/URL], the team is planning on finding someone to fill in the GM position this offseason. I'm not sure what this means for Kyle Smith, I just hope we will keep him somehow for years to come.

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[quote=skinsnut;1270022]Agree. Love his recent drafts. Id love him as a GM too. Hope he can handle the free agency side. Losing a HOF potential LT hurt us significantly. If we had him, we'd definitely be in the playoffs. Imagine screens with gibson in space with trent williams escorting him. What a major screwup by Bruce. This should NEVER be allowed to happen again[/quote]

Trent Williams leaving was on Bruce Allen and medical staff, I also wouldn’t be surprised if Kyle Shanarat called TW knowing the situation and recruiting him to SF in a stealth manner.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1270029]Trent Williams leaving was on Bruce Allen and medical staff, I also wouldn’t be surprised if Kyle Shanarat called TW knowing the situation and recruiting him to SF in a stealth manner.[/QUOTE]


That wouldn’t have been hard. They’d been to the super bowl last year, lost their longstanding LT to retirement, and TW had a relationship with their coaches. Most logical move.


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[quote=calia;1270038]That wouldn’t have been hard. They’d been to the super bowl last year, lost their longstanding LT to retirement, and TW had a relationship with their coaches. Most logical move.


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Exactly.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1269988]Budding stars:
Payne
Settle
Young
Sweat
McLaurin
Gibson
Holcomb

Solid playmakers:
Moreland
Kurl
Smith-Williams
Hudson

Jury is out on them:
Martin
Love
Charles
AGG
Ismael
Harmon
Christian
Stroman
SDH

Busts:
Guice
Haskins (not his pick)
Apke

Other NFL rosters:
Brailford Vikings
Piersbacher Eagles
Quinn Jags[/quote]

Bottom line is we have not won a playoff game or a division title w/ any of these guys. Jury is still out but let's not go overboard comparing Smith to one of the best GM's to ever do it.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1270045]Bottom line is we have not won a playoff game or a division title w/ any of these guys. Jury is still out but let's not go overboard comparing Smith to one of the best GM's to ever do it.[/quote]

We are one game a way and now have a coach who can coach so I will go overboard. I guess you were happy with Vinnie and Bruce? You can’t discount the talent brought in 3 years in row which is better than what Vinnie/Bruce tenure did which was basically nothing.

What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1270045]Bottom line is we have not won a playoff game or a division title w/ any of these guys. Jury is still out but let's not go overboard comparing Smith to one of the best GM's to ever do it.[/QUOTE]


Vinny and Bruce made the GM selections that Dan Snyder wanted them to pick - for 20 years!!. Dan Snyder was/is a terrible judge of NFL talent , among his many other faults as the owner. That’s one of the main reasons that the team was so dismal for 20 years, even with HOF-caliber HC such as Gibbs and Shannihan.

I don’t know why Rivera DOESN’T want Kyle Smith as the GM. Since Smith has done a very good job at picking starters out of the dregs of the NFL UDFA, NFL’s lowest- round draft picks, and the cheap, one-year, FA PICKUPs. A typical GM is considered a freaking genius if he can get a ST ace from the year’s lowest draft picks, UDFA, etc. - much less a couple starters!

Kyle Smith will be offered a GM spot at one NFL TEAM or more, if the WFT fails to act. I think Rivera is justifiably suspicious of any team executive not selected by HIMSELF. Remember, Snyder doesn’t care if the team wins or losses. He just wants to do the hiring and firing power .

Snyder is playing nice NOW, but as soon as he buys out the other minority owners and gets past the NFL investigation, does anyone doubt that he will go back to his old ways? Mistreating employees, and micromanaging the team using a shadow GM? I believe that it’s POSSIBLE that Rivera may wonder if Kyle Smith might be a TROJAN HORSE, ready to do Snyder’s dirty work?? I’m not saying Kyle Smith is Snyder’s lackey.

But Smith’s record is very good and I can’t think of ANY OTHER REASON why Rivera would be searching for a GM when Smith has built a team from the left over players that Bruce Allen and Snyder let him have. Rivera wants a GM that HE SELECTED to make sure that Snyder hasn’t tainted him beforehand.


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[url]https://fansided.com/2020/12/26/dave-gettleman-likely-not-returning-giants/[/url]

Dave Gettleman might be out after Sunday.

Idk why but between him and Marty Hurney I get the feeling one will end up working with Ron here.

I'd rather have Hurney though, Gettleman is trash. So is Mayhew.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

Kyle Smith has brought in Good and Very Good starters out of the very BOTTOM of the draft, but also out of UDFA. Curl is just the Latest ROOKIE starters and a 7th round pick.

Either Rivera isn’t sold on Kyle’s GM ability OR Rivera wants to bring in a GM who will BE HIS GUY! I can see Rivera’s paranoia. Snyder secretly ran many of the top personnel selections through GM’s who quietly did what he wanted. Once the team starts winning again I’m sure Rivera is worried Snyder will try to get back in the personnel decision-making loop.

Kyle has made some excellent pickups these last couple years from the dredges of the draft/UDFA. It hasn’t gone unnoticed, if he’s isn’t kept as the GM here, he will be offered a job at some other team looking for a magician like him who sometimes makes gold from coal.


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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1270052]We are one game a way and now have a coach who can coach so I will go overboard. I guess you were happy with Vinnie and Bruce? You can’t discount the talent brought in 3 years in row which is better than what Vinnie/Bruce tenure did which was basically nothing.[/quote]

I'm not saying Smith isn't capable. He is the best thing we have had going in the FO in a long time. But you are comparing him to a HOF GM who built SB winners, drafted HOF players and brought in others that are close to the HOF. There just isn't any argument between the two right now.

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[quote=mooby;1270959][url]https://fansided.com/2020/12/26/dave-gettleman-likely-not-returning-giants/[/url]

Dave Gettleman might be out after Sunday.

Idk why but between him and Marty Hurney I get the feeling one will end up working with Ron here.

I'd rather have Hurney though, Gettleman is trash. So is Mayhew.[/quote]

At 69 and having to deal with Cancer Gettlemen has done what he needed to do for the Giants.

1) Brought in the next Franchise QB replacing a 16 year two time SB MVP

2) Changed the culture of the entire team by discarding some locker room problems.(Odell)

3) Found a Coach who has his players believing in him.

DG might retire or even take a VP spot . I wouldn't be surprised.

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[quote=Giantone;1271268]At 69 and having to deal with Cancer Gettlemen has done what he needed to do for the Giants.

[B]1) Brought in the next Franchise QB replacing a 16 year two time SB MVP
[/B]
2) Changed the culture of the entire team by discarding some locker room problems.(Odell)

3) Found a Coach who has his players believing in him.

DG might retire or even take a VP spot . I wouldn't be surprised.[/quote]


Who is this franchise QB and why has he not been playing?

:)

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=Giantone;1271268]At 69 and having to deal with Cancer Gettlemen has done what he needed to do for the Giants.

1) [B]Brought in the next Franchise QB[/B] replacing a 16 year two time SB MVP

2) Changed the culture of the entire team by discarding some locker room problems.(Odell)

3) Found a Coach who has his players believing in him.

DG might retire or even take a VP spot . I wouldn't be surprised.[/quote]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1271267]I'm not saying Smith isn't capable. He is the best thing we have had going in the FO in a long time. But you are comparing him to a HOF GM who built SB winners, drafted HOF players and brought in others that are close to the HOF. There just isn't any argument between the two right now.[/quote]

I don’t know Gettleman well, but at his age I’m sure there is a performance drop off for NFL execs just like with players. When you get to be to an advanced age it has to be hard to maintain the grind of the demands of the job. You give me a young guy like Smith who is already within the organization and has demonstrated multiple successes with drafting talent vs. an older guy who has past experience but may bring a different perspective to how to do things, give me the young guy with continuity all day. I’m going to be pissed if anyone other than Kyle Smith is the guy.

Doesn’t sound good though so far from rumors and reports.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=mooby;1270959][url]https://fansided.com/2020/12/26/dave-gettleman-likely-not-returning-giants/[/url]

Dave Gettleman might be out after Sunday.

Idk why but between him and Marty Hurney I get the feeling one will end up working with Ron here.

I'd rather have Hurney though, Gettleman is trash. So is Mayhew.[/quote]

Mayhew and Gettleman are complete trash...these would be detrimental hires.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

Just a thought. Smith isn't being lined up for any vacant GM interview - [url]https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-coaching-gm-tracker-latest-news-interviews-developments-in-2021-hiring-cycle[/url]

Is that indicative of nobody outside DC thinking him ready for the role, nobody having approached him yet or RR having made it clear via back channels that he's going nowhere and likely to get the WFT job?

Personally I suspect its one of the latter two.

It might even be an indication the NFL is going to push Snyder out so nobody is touching WFT staff until the ownership situation is resolved. Not sure that logic stands up to much scrutiny though.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1272350]Just a thought. Smith isn't being lined up for any vacant GM interview - [url]https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-coaching-gm-tracker-latest-news-interviews-developments-in-2021-hiring-cycle[/url]

Is that indicative of nobody outside DC thinking him ready for the role, nobody having approached him yet or RR having made it clear via back channels that he's going nowhere and likely to get the WFT job?

Personally I suspect its one of the latter two.

It might even be an indication the NFL is going to push Snyder out so nobody is touching WFT staff until the ownership situation is resolved. Not sure that logic stands up to much scrutiny though.[/quote]

Doesn't appear that Hurney is on that list either.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30661350/source-new-york-giants-keep-gm-dave-gettleman-2021[/url]

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1272352]Doesn't appear that Hurney is on that list either.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30661350/source-new-york-giants-keep-gm-dave-gettleman-2021[/url][/quote]

NY Bruce Allen is staying put. Glad to see that.

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What if the plan is to bring in someone like Hurney as GM and promote Kyle Smith to assistant GM?

I would be cool with that.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=mooby;1272385]What if the plan is to bring in someone like Hurney as GM and promote Kyle Smith to assistant GM?

I would be cool with that.[/quote]

I’ve heard a rumor to the effect of Hurney coming in and showing Kyle the ropes of being GM and then retiring and Kyle taking over. Guess we’ll se.

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[QUOTE=MissouriSkin;1272387]I’ve heard a rumor to the effect of Hurney coming in and showing Kyle the ropes of being GM and then retiring and Kyle taking over. Guess we’ll se.[/QUOTE]

Not the worst idea. Until Ron arrived all Smith has learnt is how to work under a dysfunctional psycho GM and a clueless owner. Giving him a year or 2 solid mentoring by an experienced guy can only make him a better GM in the end.

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Ron has earned my trust as a fan this season, so I'll wait and see what happens before thinking I know which direction they should go.

Having said that, I would be pretty bummed to see K. Smith leave. IDK what they're gonna do in the F.O. but I'd like them to retain Smith in some capacity.

Just looking at the roster and past 3 drafts... the guy (and his staff) are hitting it out of the park lately, the results speak for themselves.


With Ron coaching, Smith running player personnel and Wright handling the off-the-field business I feel really good with where this team could go. Let's get the logo figured out and it's full-steam ahead.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

Ben Standig
@BenStandig
Replying to
@BenStandig
"Rivera not expected to drill down with FO plans until after the season, per source. Many of the rumored names make for obvious targets based on Rivera’s ties. There’s logic with adding another FO member. Needed context also key. The organization isn't there, yet."

Basically all these links and rumors are all journalistic supposition

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=mooby;1272385]What if the plan is to bring in someone like Hurney as GM and promote Kyle Smith to assistant GM?

I would be cool with that.[/quote]I would also. Think it'd be the best of both worlds. I think this has a good chance of unfolding also. Smith must be kept. He has a very keen eye for talent.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1272518]I would also. Think it'd be the best of both worlds. I think this has a good chance of unfolding also. Smith must be kept. He has a very keen eye for talent.[/quote]

Our team wouldn’t be there without the talent he has accumulated, maybe he’ll get us a QB we need instead of the owner.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

I'd promote Smith to GM if it was my decision. But I'd be fine with another option if Smith was made aware and was agreeable.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1272524]Our team wouldn’t be there without the talent he has accumulated, maybe he’ll get us a QB we need instead of the owner.[/quote]Sure hope so. It's amazing we're in the playoffs after already releasing a 1st rd qb from the prior year. Unheard of. Cannot wait to see what Rivera and Turner can do with this team with a new, talented qb. Getting a young, franchise signal caller and a legitimate #2 alongside McLaurin will transform this offense.

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

Isn't it worth considering that while obviously exposed to the rest of the FO workings, he's only worked in personnel. While I daresay his father has helped his education in the business side, he has no practical experience in managing the cap etc. The idea of bringing in a GM to mentor him makes a whole heap of sense than promoting him just because he's good in the draft. He needs a more rounded CV than that, doesn't he?

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

F&$#. Last thing I wanted to see but secretly knew was coming.

From @BenStandig

“As The Washington Football Team considers candidates for its open GM position, current expectations have the team focusing on making an outside hire, according to sources familiar with the situation. More coming on @TheAthleticDC.”

Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

Guys I'm telling you. We lost McVay, and the guy in Green Bay right? Is Ron threatened by the young coaches/execs? Anyway I bet we notice a difference in drafts if Kyle leaves. I think we might be in for mediocrity if he leaves.

It's a reason why Hurneyy and those other guys don't have jobs. Give the young guys a chance. Wonder what Snyder would do if Kyle goes somewhere else, and is more successful than Ron down the line. I'd be pissed....

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I mean, does all this scuttlebutt actually mean that Kyle is leaving? I haven't seen that, nor have I seen that anyone else is courting him.