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What's best for the team outside of getting Wilson, Watson, or Rodgers, is to draft a QB.

Ron needs to do what's best for the future of the team, not what is best personally for him, or his personal preference.

Draft a QB every damn year until we hit on 1.

Re: How likely is it Ron and the front office will pursue Aaron Rogers?
 

[quote=Schneed10;1308940]I think Aaron Rodgers only makes sense if you think getting him makes us a SB contender this season. I don't. We'd certainly be better but I don't think we're that close. Nevermind the fact that he'd never see this as his best option.

I'd go a different direction. Need a guy you can keep for 3 years or more. Rodgers is a guy you maybe could get a few years from, but you could also end up with just one year. He's up there.[/quote]

Rodgers on probably half or more teams in the league makes them SB contenders. If he was on this team this year, he probably would have counted for at least 3 more wins in my opinion.

It's a win now league. Nobody would give us a better shot right now.

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[quote=MTK;1308953]Rodgers on probably half or more teams in the league makes them SB contenders. If he was on this team this year, he probably would have counted for at least 3 more wins in my opinion.

[B]It's a win now league.[/B] Nobody would give us a better shot right now.[/quote]

Exactly. It a week to week, year to year league. Worrying about 3 years from now isn't realistic in the modern NFL.

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[quote=irish;1308954]Exactly. It a week to week, year to year league. Worrying about 3 years from now isn't realistic in the modern NFL.[/quote]

Going to strongly disagree if you're talking about trading away something like two firsts and Daron Payne, for example.

Re: How likely is it Ron and the front office will pursue Aaron Rogers?
 

Here's a good article from Michael Silver who is good friends with Ron from his days at Cal.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/michael-silver-provides-look-washington-105707409.html[/url]

Re: How likely is it Ron and the front office will pursue Aaron Rogers?
 

Trading two 1st round picks and a guy like Daron Payne would be a small price to pay if it put the team in SB contention for the next three or more years. At that point, nobody's going to miss them, especially if they draft well in rounds 2-7.

The Rams haven't had a 1st round pick since 2016, and they have only missed the playoffs once since then, with a 5-2 postseason record.

All this team needs is a QB, and they could have the same success or better.

I'll take that.

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[quote=Schneed10;1308964]Going to strongly disagree if you're talking about trading away something like two firsts and Daron Payne, for example.[/quote]

Okay .. your point is valid IF we hit on those first rounders and find a way to keep all those D line players .. I would trade Davis ( last year first) and this years first and let Payne walk for Rodgers .. I see your point but I’m not confident we hit home runs on our picks .. Davis play was underachieving and Truth is so was Chase .. would you right now rather have Davis and Young or Rogers ?

Re: How likely is it Ron and the front office will pursue Aaron Rogers?
 

[quote=Schneed10;1308964]Going to strongly disagree if you're talking about trading away something like two firsts and Daron Payne, for example.[/quote]

If that trade gets WFT to a Super Bowl then nobody will care who was traded. Payne isn't getting a team to the SB, a QB is.

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[quote=rocnrik;1308976]Okay .. your point is valid IF we hit on those first rounders and find a way to keep all those D line players .. I would trade Davis ( last year first) and this years first and let Payne walk for Rodgers .. I see your point but I’m not confident we hit home runs on our picks .. Davis play was underachieving and Truth is so was Chase .. [B]would you right now rather have Davis and Young or Rogers ?[/B][/quote]

Its a no brainer, Rogers. Davis and Young aren't taking this team to the Super Bowl. Rogers can.

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[quote=irish;1309002]Its a no brainer, Rogers. Davis and Young aren't taking this team to the Super Bowl. [B]Rogers can[/B].[/quote]

So that's ultimately where you and I fundamentally disagree. If you think Aaron Rodgers could get this team to a Super Bowl in 2022 then I can see why you'd think going for this makes sense.

I just don't see how you can conclude that. You'd have Rodgers sitting on the books for, call it $30M, which means you'd need to cut Landon Collins to make room for a decent MLB in free agency. And you wouldn't have your 1st rounder this year or next year to fill other holes, which include WR, guard, safety and corner.

We don't have as much cap space as everyone seems to think, and I chuckle at the people like Chico who say the cap basically isn't a real issue. We have $34M of available cap space after signing Leno. And the following players would eat into that available space if we resign them:

- Bobby McCain
- Cornelius Lucas
- JD McKissic
- Adam Humphries
- Ricky Seals Jones
- Joey Slye
- Cam Sims
- Brandon Scherff (bye, we'll get a cheaper version)

So put Rodgers on at $30M and suddenly you need to drop Landon and probably extend Ereck Flowers to get his $10M cap number down, just so you can try to resign some of the guys above and fit in a MLB. Because remember, if you don't resign the guys above or find an alternative for them, then you've got significant roster holes.

Everyone's drunk over a QB. But we're not that close. Don't get it twisted, I want us to acquire a QB. I just don't want a 38 year old one.

Re: How likely is it Ron and the front office will pursue Aaron Rogers?
 

[quote=MTK;1308953]Rodgers on probably half or more teams in the league makes them SB contenders. If he was on this team this year, he probably would have counted for at least 3 more wins in my opinion.

It's a win now league. Nobody would give us a better shot right now.[/quote]

Agree three more wins sounds about right for Aaron. But that kind of makes my point: we would have been 10-7. Not at the level of the Rams, not at the level of GB this year with Rodgers, not at the level of Dallas, and not at the level of TB even though we happened to catch them at the right time this year and beat them.

We've got more work to do than just insert a QB. We need a QB that can be here in 2023 and 2024 because we're more likely to make the run then than we are in 2022.

Re: How likely is it Ron and the front office will pursue Aaron Rogers?
 

[quote=Schneed10;1309043]So that's ultimately where you and I fundamentally disagree. If you think Aaron Rodgers could get this team to a Super Bowl in 2022 then I can see why you'd think going for this makes sense.

I just don't see how you can conclude that. You'd have Rodgers sitting on the books for, call it $30M, which means you'd need to cut Landon Collins to make room for a decent MLB in free agency. And you wouldn't have your 1st rounder this year or next year to fill other holes, which include WR, guard, safety and corner.

We don't have as much cap space as everyone seems to think, and I chuckle at the people like Chico who say the cap basically isn't a real issue. We have $34M of available cap space after signing Leno. And the following players would eat into that available space if we resign them:

- Bobby McCain
- Cornelius Lucas
- JD McKissic
- Adam Humphries
- Ricky Seals Jones
- Joey Slye
- Cam Sims
- Brandon Scherff (bye, we'll get a cheaper version)

So put Rodgers on at $30M and suddenly you need to drop Landon and probably extend Ereck Flowers to get his $10M cap number down, just so you can try to resign some of the guys above and fit in a MLB. Because remember, if you don't resign the guys above or find an alternative for them, then you've got significant roster holes.

Everyone's drunk over a QB. But we're not that close. Don't get it twisted, I want us to acquire a QB. I just don't want a 38 year old one.[/quote]

I don't think AR guarantees WFT a SB appearance but I think he gives WFT a fighting chance. Every team has flaws and weaknesses some more than others. Teams go from worst to first all the time. Focusing on being a contender in 2024 in the modern NFL is like focusing on what you are going to be doing on your job 30 years from now. Its not useless, but so much will happen between now and then its more a theoretical exercise than practical.

The most important position in the NFL is QB (just look at the playoff teams to verify that) and WFT doesn't have one. Until they get one they can focus on role players and defensive studs all they until want until 2024 but they wont be any closer to winning then than they are now.

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[quote=Schneed10;1309046]Agree three more wins sounds about right for Aaron. But that kind of makes my point: we would have been 10-7. Not at the level of the Rams, not at the level of GB this year with Rodgers, not at the level of Dallas, and not at the level of TB even though we happened to catch them at the right time this year and beat them.

We've got more work to do than just insert a QB. We need a QB that can be here in 2023 and 2024 because we're more likely to make the run then than we are in 2022.[/quote]

I'm not talking about AR just for next year, I think anyone going after him is going to expect him to play for at least another 2-3 years.

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[quote=MTK;1309063]I'm not talking about AR just for next year, [B]I think anyone going after him is going to expect him to play for at least another 2-3 years.[/B][/quote]

Exactly, nobody is signing him to a one year deal because he wont do a one year deal.

Re: How likely is it Ron and the front office will pursue Aaron Rogers?
 

Question is how long will AR play before he retires if he finds himself somewhere where he feels he cannot win. I think that fuse is fairly short. Any any resources you use to trade for him are lost. It is all academic as he will not want to come to Washington.

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[quote=irish;1309073]Exactly, nobody is signing him to a one year deal because he wont do a one year deal.[/quote]

Come on guys. Length of the deal isn't the issue. You can give him a 2-3 year deal but that doesn't mean his body won't hit the wall at age 39. Tom Brady has skewed what we thought was possible from quarterbacks at that age. But look at history for just about everybody else; Roethlisberger is toast, Manning, Brees was ineffective that last year for sure at age 41, and the list goes on and on.

What it would take to acquire Rodgers just isn't worth it given the chance that he will fall off the proverbial cliff after one season.

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[quote=irish;1309058]I don't think AR guarantees WFT a SB appearance but I think he gives WFT a fighting chance. Every team has flaws and weaknesses some more than others. Teams go from worst to first all the time. Focusing on being a contender in 2024 in the modern NFL is like focusing on what you are going to be doing on your job 30 years from now. Its not useless, but so much will happen between now and then its more a theoretical exercise than practical.

The most important position in the NFL is QB (just look at the playoff teams to verify that) and WFT doesn't have one. Until they get one they can focus on role players and defensive studs all they until want until 2024 but they wont be any closer to winning then than they are now.[/quote]

This reads like you think we have the Rams roster before they traded for Stafford. We most certainly don't.

QB is everything, I will agree with you. But pushing all in for a guy who will be 39 at the end of next year is something you do when you have Jalen Ramsey, Aaron Donald, Cooper Kupp, etc.

Ashburn Syndrome all over this thread.

Re: How likely is it Ron and the front office will pursue Aaron Rogers?
 

[quote=Schneed10;1309093]This reads like you think we have the Rams roster before they traded for Stafford. We most certainly don't.

QB is everything, I will agree with you. But pushing all in for a guy who will be 39 at the end of next year is something you do when you have Jalen Ramsey, Aaron Donald, Cooper Kupp, etc.

Ashburn Syndrome all over this thread.[/quote]

So what happens when they get the pieces in place sometime by 2024-27 and they don't have a QB? The answer is they still wont win because they don't have the most important position on the field. The idea of getting the pieces in place and then filling in with a good/great QB is ridiculous. You gotta grab a great QB when you can get him.

My argument isn't for going all in on only AR. If they have a shot at one of the top free agent QBs in the off season they should go all in. I don't care how great the pieces are a team isn't winning with a Heinicke or someone like him at QB.

Re: How likely is it Ron and the front office will pursue Aaron Rogers?
 

I'd be willing to gamble on AR playing another 2-3 years at a very high level. He just had another MVP caliber season. He hasn't shown any signs of falling off a cliff.

Re: How likely is it Ron and the front office will pursue Aaron Rogers?
 

[quote=Schneed10;1309093]This reads like you think we have the Rams roster before they traded for Stafford. We most certainly don't.

QB is everything, I will agree with you. But pushing all in for a guy who will be 39 at the end of next year is something you do when you have Jalen Ramsey, Aaron Donald, Cooper Kupp, etc.

Ashburn Syndrome all over this thread.[/quote]

I agree, i rather a Watson or younger guy out of the draft. AR gets us in the playoffs maybe a nfc champ trip but it be in a short window of time and in 2 years we are back right where we are now.

We need the next mahomies herbert allen etc...but so does everyone else.

Re: How likely is it Ron and the front office will pursue Aaron Rogers?
 

[quote=irish;1309096]So what happens when they get the pieces in place sometime by 2024-27 and they don't have a QB? The answer is they still wont win because they don't have the most important position on the field. The idea of getting the pieces in place and then filling in with a good/great QB is ridiculous. You gotta grab a great QB when you can get him.

My argument isn't for going all in on only AR. If they have a shot at one of the top free agent QBs in the off season they should go all in. I don't care how great the pieces are a team isn't winning with a Heinicke or someone like him at QB.[/quote]

OK now on that point, I completely and fully agree. I want them to push the chips in for a quarterback, big time. I just don't see why we'd want that to be Rodgers.

Wilson makes the most sense to me. Watson I'm interested in too assuming you can do the due diligence it takes to get comfortable with the legal entanglements. I'd rather get a guy I know we could keep here for five years.

All of this of course is governed less by our preferences and more by external factors. I'm sitting here saying oh I'd rather have Wilson over Watson and Watson over Rodgers, but in reality none of them might actually be available or desirable.

Wilson might move on but only to a list of three teams that doesn't include Washington. Rodgers might decide I'm going elsewhere but only to Denver. Watson's legal trouble might be real.

But in a world where I'm needing to trade lots of assets for a QB I'm really hoping it ends up to be somebody younger than 39 at the end of next season.

Re: How likely is it Ron and the front office will pursue Aaron Rogers?
 

[quote=mredskins;1309101]I agree, i rather a Watson or younger guy out of the draft. AR gets us in the playoffs maybe a nfc champ trip but it be in a short window of time and in 2 years we are back right where we are now.

We need the next mahomies herbert allen etc...but so does everyone else.[/quote]

So after 30 years of being a laughing stock you'd say getting AR wasn't worth it for two or three years of playoffs and maybe NFC Championship? Wow. I guess beggars really can be choosers.

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[quote=Schneed10;1309104]OK now on that point, I completely and fully agree. I want them to push the chips in for a quarterback, big time. [B] I just don't see why we'd want that to be Rodgers.[/B]

Wilson makes the most sense to me. Watson I'm interested in too assuming you can do the due diligence it takes to get comfortable with the legal entanglements. I'd rather get a guy I know we could keep here for five years.

All of this of course is governed less by our preferences and more by external factors. I'm sitting here saying oh I'd rather have Wilson over Watson and Watson over Rodgers, but in reality none of them might actually be available or desirable.

Wilson might move on but only to a list of three teams that doesn't include Washington. Rodgers might decide I'm going elsewhere but only to Denver. Watson's legal trouble might be real.

But in a world where I'm needing to trade lots of assets for a QB I'm really hoping it ends up to be somebody younger than 39 at the end of next season.[/quote]

Younger is better but IMO AR is the best of your options and gives this team the best chance to win now. Its a win now league.

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[quote=irish;1309105]So after 30 years of being a laughing stock you'd say getting AR wasn't worth it for two or three years of playoffs and maybe NFC Championship? Wow. I guess beggars really can be choosers.[/quote]

Look at TB if tom hangs it up; they got a Super Bowl so that is big but now they got a lot cleaning up to do.

do you want 2/3 years of fun and a decade of clean up

Or a allen herbert etc...situation where we are competive for a good solid decade

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[quote=mredskins;1309107]Look at TB if tom hangs it up; they got a Super Bowl so that is big but now they got a lot cleaning up to do.

do you want 2/3 years of fun and a decade of clean up

Or a allen herbert etc...situation where we are competive for a good solid decade[/quote]

Yes. This organization has had 30 years of clean up so I don't think 2 or 3 years of fun and winning would be a hard sell to whatever fans are left.

While Allen and Herbert look good you cant say for certain that they have a decade of good play in them.

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[quote=mredskins;1309107]Look at TB if tom hangs it up; they got a Super Bowl so that is big but now they got a lot cleaning up to do.

do you want 2/3 years of fun and a decade of clean up

Or a allen herbert etc...situation where we are competive for a good solid decade[/quote]

Brady took over a talented but older team in his 40s. Rodgers is 38, so he's closed to that.

Again, this is why I think Russ Wilson makes sense for SO many reasons, including getting more years out of him.

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[quote=mredskins;1309107]do you want 2/3 years of fun and a decade of clean up

Or a allen herbert etc...situation where we are competive for a good solid decade[/quote]

I want neither.

I want 2-3 years of fun (Rodgers/Wilson...), and also draft a Mahomes to be competitive for the foreseeable future once Rodgers/Wilson... is done.

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If Brady hangs it up why is TB looking at 10 years of cleanup?

After what we've been through the last 30 years, I'd take one more SB win even if it meant we go right back in the tank. I just want to see one more championship in my lifetime.

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[quote=MTK;1309118]If Brady hangs it up why is TB looking at 10 years of cleanup?

After what we've been through the last 30 years, I'd take one more SB win even if it meant we go right back in the tank. I just want to see one more championship in my lifetime.[/quote]

I think TB even if it took 10 years to clean up would think it was well worth it. SB wins don't come around all that often even for good teams.

Re: How likely is it Ron and the front office will pursue Aaron Rogers?
 

[quote=MTK;1309118]If Brady hangs it up why is TB looking at 10 years of cleanup?

After what we've been through the last 30 years, I'd take one more SB win even if it meant we go right back in the tank. I just want to see one more championship in my lifetime.[/quote]

We wouldn't win in 2022 with Aaron Rodgers. But I've said that already.

And then we'd have a reload and a coaching change on our hands, with few first round picks on the roster.

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[quote=Schneed10;1309120]We wouldn't win in 2022 with Aaron Rodgers. But I've said that already.

And then we'd have a reload and a coaching change on our hands, with few first round picks on the roster.[/quote]

Why would there be a coaching change after next year? Is AR coming here and playing so badly Ron gets canned?

I'm just going to peace out on this AR stuff for now. I get it, the chance of him choosing to come here is slim to none so why bother.

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[quote=Schneed10;1309120]We wouldn't win in 2022 with Aaron Rodgers. But I've said that already.

And then [B]we'd have a reload and a coaching change on our hands[/B], with few first round picks on the roster.[/quote]

If Heinicke is the QB next year I see another coaching change and reload in 2023.

Bottom line in all this is WFT (like a lot of other teams) needs a legit QB, and they have to get him however they can and they need to keep trying until they hit on one.

How likely is it Ron and the front office will pursue Aaron Rogers?
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10;1309120]We wouldn't win in 2022 with Aaron Rodgers. But I've said that already.

And then we'd have a reload and a coaching change on our hands, with few first round picks on the roster.[/QUOTE]


Idk Schneed.

Look at our schedule results.
Chargers - he makes a winning difference.
Giants - we won
Buffalo - L probably still but who knows if we come out stronger with the best quarterback play instead of the worst.
Atl - we won
NO - he makes a winning difference
KC - game was tight until late - but give us the L
GB - he wins
Denver - we absolutely win
TB - we won
Car- we won
Seattle - we won
LV - we won
Dallas - he makes a winning difference
Philly - he makes a winning difference
Dallas - give us the L, though at that point we were giving up
Philly - he makes a winning difference
Giants - we won

Conjecture ? Sure. But it is Aaron fucking Rodgers vs scrubs. If he was our quarterback this year we win 13 games. Don’t underestimate what he could do for us.

And u can take Davis, 2022’s first rounder who obviously had nothing to do with 2021, and Payne off the team and it dont change a thing. In other words if we had traded two first rounders and Payne for AR prior to 2021 - we win 13 games. Maybe more if you look at each individual game we played in 2021.

Re: How likely is it Ron and the front office will pursue Aaron Rogers?
 

Man, well when you put it that way...

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I’d take AR and wouldn’t think twice

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If Heinicke helped the team win 7 games, an elite QB like Rodgers, Russ, or Watson can win 10-14 games with this team.

My only hesitation with Rodgers is that he's about two Joe Rogan podcast appearances from going into the crazy AB zone. And everyone knows the deal with Watson.

That said, there is NO reason why this team shouldn't go all out for any of these three guys.

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[quote=punch it in;1309139]Idk Schneed.

Look at our schedule results.
Chargers - he makes a winning difference.
Giants - we won
Buffalo - L probably still but who knows if we come out stronger with the best quarterback play instead of the worst.
Atl - we won
NO - he makes a winning difference
KC - game was tight until late - but give us the L
GB - he wins
Denver - we absolutely win
TB - we won
Car- we won
Seattle - we won
LV - we won
Dallas - he makes a winning difference
Philly - he makes a winning difference
Dallas - give us the L, though at that point we were giving up
Philly - he makes a winning difference
Giants - we won

Conjecture ? Sure. But it is Aaron fucking Rodgers vs scrubs. If he was our quarterback this year we win 13 games. Don’t underestimate what he could do for us.

And u can take Davis, 2022’s first rounder who obviously had nothing to do with 2021, and Payne off the team and it dont change a thing. In other words if we had traded two first rounders and Payne for AR prior to 2021 - we win 13 games. Maybe more if you look at each individual game we played in 2021.[/quote]

You have a 6 win improvement. It's just unreasonable.

Your overall point stands though, he's Aaron Rodgers, he's a HOF player, and we'd be immediately better.

But you've said nothing to refute my point. If you apply your same optimistic view of the difference Rodgers would make, but you substitute in Deshaun Watson or Russell Wilson, how much different are your projected results?

And they wouldn't be 39 going on retired. That's my entire point. The fact that Aaron Rodgers is great is not at all debatable. And neither is the fact that he's fucking old.

How likely is it Ron and the front office will pursue Aaron Rogers?
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10;1309147]You have a 6 win improvement. It's just unreasonable.

Your overall point stands though, he's Aaron Rodgers, he's a HOF player, and we'd be immediately better.

But you've said nothing to refute my point. If you apply your same optimistic view of the difference Rodgers would make, but you substitute in Deshaun Watson or Russell Wilson, how much different are your projected results?

And they wouldn't be 39 going on retired. That's my entire point. The fact that Aaron Rodgers is great is not at all debatable. And neither is the fact that he's fucking old.[/QUOTE]


Your point I am refuting is “we dont win in 2022 with AR”. Not true.

Tell me which of those 6 games you don’t think we win with Rodgers instead of Taylor or Godfrey last year if it is so unreasonable. We are talking about going from worst to first with quarterback play - 6 game improvement is completely in the realm of reason.

He may be 39, but he is playing at an mvp level. He has 3-4 more great years in him.

That being said Ill take Russ or Watson in a heartbeat too, and I don’t think AR would come here anyway. Just saying if he did we would have been instant SB contenders last year or next year, or the year after that. Ill take one and never worry about my expensive, aged , gave up the farm quarterback ever for one second.

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Idk if Rodgers makes us 6 wins better with this roster on O. Is Terry As good as Adams? Probably Not. Our RBs are good but they ain’t Aaron Jones and the packers D was legit all season.

I think he would have won 10 games but that’s it.

Re: How likely is it Ron and the front office will pursue Aaron Rogers?
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1308966]Here's a good article from Michael Silver who is good friends with Ron from his days at Cal.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/michael-silver-provides-look-washington-105707409.html[/url][/quote]

He's also a freelance writer for the WFT.