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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1314992]While that may be true in some circumstances, there are also circumstances where the decisions you make that ultimately lead to the end of your life may have absolutely nothing to do with who you were as a person.[/quote]

Which makes it part of your narrative, right?

The summation of your life could go something like:

Chief X Phackter was a great guy, hard worker, good family man, devoted equally to his wife, children, job, and football team. He made a wrong turn one night and was caught in the crossfire between two men who had been arguing over where snow was being placed after shoveling. It escalated to violence, and Chief X Phackter caught a bullet, an innocent victim.

I think you and I are saying the same thing. If you make a decision and just got unlucky, it goes into the narrative. If you got out of your car on an interstate bombed out of your gourd and tried to walk up to a moving dumptruck and order flapjacks like it's a drivethru, that goes into the narrative too.

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My point being: the end of your life is by definition one of the very biggest events in your life. How that event occurred could determine whether your life lasted 20 years, or 40, or 80. So any decision you made that impacted or possibly caused that event, is absolutely not just a tiny footnote in the book of your life.

If Haskins was trying to chase a small child across the interstate to rescue and bring to safety and got hit by a truck in the process, or if Haskins was drunk with a stripper and he aimlessly wandered into the road, those circumstances absolutely matter. 100%. It's ridiculous to say 'what difference does it make, a young man is dead either way, what a shame.'

Meaningless platitudes. Is his family missing the light of his life today because of horrible tragic circumstances, or are they missing it because of his own immature and dangerous actions? That matters and should be reflected on accordingly.

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[quote=Schneed10;1315001]My point being: the end of your life is by definition one of the very biggest events in your life. How that event occurred could determine whether your life lasted 20 years, or 40, or 80. So any decision you made that impacted or possibly caused that event, is absolutely not just a tiny footnote in the book of your life.

If Haskins was trying to chase a small child across the interstate to rescue and bring to safety and got hit by a truck in the process, or if Haskins was drunk with a stripper and he aimlessly wandered into the road, those circumstances absolutely matter. 100%. It's ridiculous to say 'what difference does it make, a young man is dead either way, what a shame.'

Meaningless platitudes. Is his family missing the light of his life today because of horrible tragic circumstances, or are they missing it because of his own immature and dangerous actions? That matters and should be reflected on accordingly.[/quote]

Great post

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[quote=Schneed10;1314990]I see it very differently. The decisions you make that lead to the end of your life are a major narrative in your life story, and ultimately, who you were as a person.

Were you a victim of someone else? Did you put yourself in a situation that led to your death? Were you breaking a law when you died? Did you die through circumstances entirely outside of your control? This all matters greatly.

Some of these comments in here read like "Welp, everything happens for a reason." Yeah ok, but sometimes that reason is you're stupid and you make bad decisions.

We still need more facts to come out and they surely will, but F if I'm not going to judge him differently if he was a guy helping someone out who needed it, vs if he was drunk as F and decided to walk onto the highway and wave down a dump truck from the middle of the right lane.[/quote]

Stop and think back in time when you were young. When you're young there's a sense of invincibility. Did you ever make a decision or two that could have cost you your life? Or put your life in danger? You've never ever operated a vehicle when you weren't supposed to? You never got in a car w/ a person that was too drunk to drive? Never drove too fast? Or ran across a street when you were not in the crosswalk and had too much to drink?

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Bottom line is, whatever the circumstances were, or the decisions he made that night leading up to his death - they do not define the man. Is it part of his story? Yes. Does it define who he was as a person? Well I don't know him personally, but my guess is those who do, would say no.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1315045]Stop and think back in time when you were young. When you're young there's a sense of invincibility. Did you ever make a decision or two that could have cost you your life? Or put your life in danger? You've never ever operated a vehicle when you weren't supposed to? You never got in a car w/ a person that was too drunk to drive? Never drove too fast? Or ran across a street when you were not in the crosswalk and had too much to drink?[/quote]

There are so many times I have been luck during poor decision making.

When I first moved to Dc after college went out with co workers drank too much really not knowing my limits. Got on 495 went the wrong way around to get back to Tyson’s corner, had to puke and did so in my shirt while driving. I am lucky I didn’t kill someone get killed or a dui. Never driven drunk ever again. It was one of those times where you don’t eat put down 5 quick ones then it hits you half way home.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1315045]Stop and think back in time when you were young. When you're young there's a sense of invincibility. Did you ever make a decision or two that could have cost you your life? Or put your life in danger? You've never ever operated a vehicle when you weren't supposed to? You never got in a car w/ a person that was too drunk to drive? Never drove too fast? Or ran across a street when you were not in the crosswalk and had too much to drink?[/quote]

My uncle was killed by a drunk driver when I was two years old, and my upbringing reflected that. I was raised to know better. No, I never did any of those things. And it's upsetting to hear, by the tone of your question, that in your mind doing some of these things is somewhat expected of youthful people. You sound like you're normalizing it.

I don't wish you were in an accident, let alone a fatal one. But I wish the police caught you.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1315050]Bottom line is, whatever the circumstances were, or the decisions he made that night leading up to his death - they do not define the man. Is it part of his story? Yes. Does it define who he was as a person? Well I don't know him personally, but my guess is those who do, would say no.[/quote]

Depends how the total narrative reads, right? If your life shows a consistent pattern of making dumb, immature decisions, and the end-of-life event resulted from a dumb and immature decision, then it's fair to paint you as dumb and immature.

It's also fine to say you were fun to be around, and always had a smile, and had an infectious personality, all those things.

And sometimes the end of life event reads as an outlier. Those are the true tragedies.

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This thread is ready to be locked up.

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[quote=Schneed10;1315060]Depends how the total narrative reads, right? If your life shows a consistent pattern of making dumb, immature decisions, and the end-of-life event resulted from a dumb and immature decision, then it's fair to paint you as dumb and immature.

It's also fine to say you were fun to be around, and always had a smile, and had an infectious personality, all those things.

[B]And sometimes the end of life event reads as an outlier. Those are the true tragedies.[/B][/quote]

His death is an unmitigated tragedy for those who loved him, regardless of the circumstances of his passing. To them, his life and death is not a morality tale for any stranger to tell.

You should try to be more respectful of the friends and family who are grieving their great loss. Some of them are grieving the loss of the young man who was once their little boy who they have loved unconditionally since the moment he was born. Just try to imagine how you would feel right now if you were in their shoes and be kind.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1315062]His death is an unmitigated tragedy for those who loved him, regardless of the circumstances of his passing. To them, his life and death is not a morality tale for any stranger to tell.

You should try to be more respectful of the friends and family who are grieving their great loss. Some of them are grieving the loss of the young man who was once their little boy who they have loved unconditionally since the moment he was born. Just try to imagine how you would feel right now if you were in their shoes and be kind.[/quote]

If you have kids you definitely understand the pain a parent could go through. Burying your child (even as a grown adult) is still your baby.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1315062]His death is an unmitigated tragedy for those who loved him, regardless of the circumstances of his passing. To them, his life and death is not a morality tale for any stranger to tell.

You should try to be more respectful of the friends and family who are grieving their great loss. Some of them are grieving the loss of the young man who was once their little boy who they have loved unconditionally since the moment he was born. Just try to imagine how you would feel right now if you were in their shoes and be kind.[/quote]

You sound like you think they're going to read this.

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[quote=Schneed10;1315064]You sound like you think they're going to read this.[/quote]

Yes, I think they might. They lived in the D.C. suburbs where Dwayne grew up.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1315065]Yes, I think they might. They lived in the D.C. suburbs where Dwayne grew up.[/quote]

You overrate the reach of fan forum sites.

But regardless, to be clear, I'm not writing a narrative on Haskins yet as we are still awaiting more facts. I'm interested in toxicology from the autopsy, I want to understand if he was inebriated. Until then it's too soon to lay down much of a narrative.

Of course you're right - people that know him feel the emotion of the loss - as would people who know us would of us. That's all that matters to them. But even within that, there's room for circumstances to impact how the family feels about it. Look no further than suicide to understand how a family can harbor resentment, disappointment, and perhaps even blame themselves for wanting to do something differently.

My kids are now teens, but if my daughter ran into the street at age four and got hit by a car, I'd probably always wonder if I should have done something differently.

The circumstances definitely matter. I don't know what the Haskins circumstances are yet. But everyone in the world passes judgment on everyone for everything, this will be no different when the information comes to light.

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[quote=Schneed10;1315059]My uncle was killed by a drunk driver when I was two years old, and my upbringing reflected that. I was raised to know better. No, I never did any of those things. And it's upsetting to hear, by the tone of your question, that in your mind doing some of these things is somewhat expected of youthful people. You sound like you're normalizing it.

I don't wish you were in an accident, let alone a fatal one. But I wish the police caught you.[/quote]

So basically what you're saying is you're perfect. You never did anything in your life that put you at risk.. I'm just not buying that at all. But whatever, if it boosts your ego in a chat room then have at it.

And normalize is your word. My word was mistakes, young people make them.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1315072]So basically what you're saying is [B]you're perfect[/B]. You never did anything in your life that put you at risk.. I'm just not buying that at all. But whatever, if it boosts your ego in a chat room then have at it.

And normalize is your word. My word was mistakes, young people make them.[/quote]

Why thank you sf69.

No I can definitively say I haven't done anything that would qualify as putting my life in danger. I did see my friends do things like drive when they shouldn't have. Always pissed me off and I've lost friends over it before (for the best).

Like I said I come from a family who was stung by pain from that particular action, so maybe I'm different. Driving while under the influence is not uncommon, and I get your point. But yeah, do something like that and it ends your life or another's, and you're damn right it should be more than a footnote in the book that was your life.

Like it or not, you can be defined by a mistake. If more people thought that way, maybe driving drunk would be a bit more uncommon.

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Good for anyone that has managed to live a saintly life and avoided any situations that could have led to serious injury or worse. I know I'm not one of those people.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1315072]So basically what you're saying is you're perfect. You never did anything in your life that put you at risk.. I'm just not buying that at all. But whatever, if it boosts your ego in a chat room then have at it.

And normalize is your word. My word was mistakes, young people make them.[/quote]

S-10 is the Mr. Perfect of the Warpath.

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SDskinsfan is the Mr. Scott of the Warpath


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Chico is the Mr. Flamethrower of the Warpath

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[quote=SunnySide;1315108][IMG]https://c.tenor.com/5Io2r5hho5gAAAAC/the-office-michael-scott.gif[/IMG]

SDskinsfan is the Mr. Scott of the Warpath


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Chico is the Mr. Flamethrower of the Warpath[/quote]

That looks therapeutic. Dude kinda looks like me too

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[quote=SunnySide;1315108][IMG]https://c.tenor.com/5Io2r5hho5gAAAAC/the-office-michael-scott.gif[/IMG]

SDskinsfan is the Mr. Scott of the Warpath[/quote]

Oh, man, why you gotta do me like that?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1315111]Oh, man, why you gotta do me like that?[/quote]

Hey Mr. Scott, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do, make our dreams come true?

Lets be honest, when Trey Quinn did the scarn, you were actually touched that a NFL player would pay homage to you.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1315111]Oh, man, why you gotta do me like that?[/quote]

Thats what she said

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Just sad all around. He was on the phone with his wife after he ran out of gas, just prior to his death.

[URL="https://www.yahoo.com/news/dwayne-haskins-wife-called-911-151811899.html"]https://www.yahoo.com/news/dwayne-haskins-wife-called-911-151811899.html[/URL]

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[quote=Stacks42;1315182]Just sad all around. He was on the phone with his wife after he ran out of gas, just prior to his death.

[URL="https://www.yahoo.com/news/dwayne-haskins-wife-called-911-151811899.html"]https://www.yahoo.com/news/dwayne-haskins-wife-called-911-151811899.html[/URL][/quote]

Wow.. that is just brutal.

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Is this still making no sense to anybody else or is it just me?

Dude runs out of gas but tries to cross the highway on foot. If I’m walking to get gas I walk along the shoulder to the next exit, I don’t try to cross the highway.

People called 911 to report a guy in the middle of the lane before he was hit. So clearly he tried to cross. But why would you ever do that??

I’m so confused. Definitely need the toxicology report because this sounds like a decision you’d only make if you were drunk or high, right?

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[quote=Schneed10;1315219]Is this still making no sense to anybody else or is it just me?

Dude runs out of gas but tries to cross the highway on foot. If I’m walking to get gas I walk along the shoulder to the next exit, I don’t try to cross the highway.

People called 911 to report a guy in the middle of the lane before he was hit. So clearly he tried to cross. But why would you ever do that??

I’m so confused. Definitely need the toxicology report because this sounds like a decision you’d only make if you were drunk or high, right?[/quote]

I’m with you. Lotta questions

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I'm not trying to make sense of it really. Dude joins the long list of those that died too young, and that sucks. Beyond that I don't need it to "make sense".

Maybe he tried to cross the road, because that was the quickest way to the nearest gas station.

Maybe he was so drunk he thought the dump truck [I]was[/I] the gas station.

Maybe he didn't see the truck, or he misjudged how much time he had to cross, because the truck was speeding.

Maybe he didn't hear the truck because he had earbuds in.

Maybe he was just smoked from a long day and wasn't thinking clearly.

Who knows? It's all speculation at this point. I guess I just don't understand why people are so eager to see that toxicology report, or put all the pieces of the puzzle together, other than to hopefully validate their theories that he was a shit bag and made bad decisions until he finally perished because of one of them.

Let the young man RIP.

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wasn't there, and we probably won't ever know the full truth. It doesn't really matter; he's still dead before his time. No need to flog it.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1315221]I'm not trying to make sense of it really. Dude joins the long list of those that died too young, and that sucks. Beyond that I don't need it to "make sense".

Maybe he tried to cross the road, because that was the quickest way to the nearest gas station.

Maybe he was so drunk he thought the dump truck [I]was[/I] the gas station.

Maybe he didn't see the truck, or he misjudged how much time he had to cross, because the truck was speeding.

Maybe he didn't hear the truck because he had earbuds in.

Maybe he was just smoked from a long day and wasn't thinking clearly.

Who knows? It's all speculation at this point. I guess I just don't understand why people are so eager to see that toxicology report, or put all the pieces of the puzzle together, other than to hopefully validate their theories that he was a shit bag and made bad decisions until he finally perished because of one of them.

Let the young man RIP.[/quote]

I'm with you on this.
With the few informations I could not help but see it sure seems like he made questionnable choices on that morning... But am I the only one feeling like all those informations should [I]not[/I] come out ? Like in what world is this normal that camera security footage and most of all 911 calls are leaked online ?
If an emergency situation happens to you are you ok with the phone call you made to 911 being leaked online? That feels super weird to me that we (I didn't click) get to listen/view these things. Let the family and the police handle this, we don't need to know...

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[quote=Schneed10;1315219]Is this still making no sense to anybody else or is it just me?

Dude runs out of gas but tries to cross the highway on foot. If I’m walking to get gas I walk along the shoulder to the next exit, I don’t try to cross the highway.

People called 911 to report a guy in the middle of the lane before he was hit. So clearly he tried to cross. But why would you ever do that??

I’m so confused. Definitely need the toxicology report because this sounds like a decision you’d only make if you were drunk or high, right?[/quote]

Depends on the layout of the highway - if he ran out of gas in the HOV lanes on 95 south of the beltway he might have to walk for miles to reach a safe exit, vs. crossing immediately and being in walking distance of a gas station. Not saying thats the case but it could be the reason why he tried to cross. If he was in the active lanes and the next exit was miles away he might've thought crossing was the quickest route.

Sad thing is VA literally has huge fleets of mobile trucks whose job it is to assist stranded drivers - and they carry gas with them specifically for situations like this. Not sure if that's the case in Florida or not but I bet if he had stayed put someone would've showed up to help - a cop, mobile safety truck - lotta people working that highway that know it isn't safe to be out on foot out there.

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I don't think there is much to wrap around here. People do stupid shit around cars all the time. People have zero understanding and judgement of how fast 65 mph really is. Last year there was an accident on 83. Right lane blocked, the accident had just happened so people were still driving fast. This lady involved went to center lane to stand and wave at traffic to move. It was such a dangerous move. I was in left lane and she would appear and disappear from my field of vision as cars merged and applied brakes. Yesterday a student at a local school died doing the same thing Dwayne did on 83. Definitely questionable behavior in all accounts.

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Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. The Police and his Wife all seem to verify what happen. Some just need to let the young man's death be what it was, a tragic accident and nothing more.

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[quote=Giantone;1315234]Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. The Police and his Wife all seem to verify what happen. Some just need to let the young man's death be what it was, a tragic accident and nothing more.[/quote]

Agree with this

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First of all how does someone run out of gas? Never understood that especially with most cars these days that will tell you how many miles you have left.

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And if you do run out of gas, that's what AAA is for. I'm starting to lean towards Schneed's side on this. So many bad moves on Dwayne's part here. Stay in the car, call for help. And don't run out of gas in the first place. It was a comedy of errors that led to tragedy.

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[quote=Schneed10;1315219]Is this still making no sense to anybody else or is it just me?

Dude runs out of gas but tries to cross the highway on foot. If I’m walking to get gas I walk along the shoulder to the next exit, I don’t try to cross the highway.

People called 911 to report a guy in the middle of the lane before he was hit. So clearly he tried to cross. But why would you ever do that??

I’m so confused. Definitely need the toxicology report because this sounds like a decision you’d only make if you were drunk or high, right?[/quote]

There could have been a Gas Station off the interstate on the other side of the road. He was probably talking to his wife on the phone and not paying attention to what he was doing.

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[quote=MTK;1315240]And if you do run out of gas, that's what AAA is for. I'm starting to lean towards Schneed's side on this. So many bad moves on Dwayne's part here. Stay in the car, call for help. And don't run out of gas in the first place. It was a comedy of errors that led to tragedy.[/quote]

Well there was a report of a drunk female in the car with him, clearly was not his wife.. Maybe he didn't want to call anyone because he knew he'd get caught. When you are trying to hide something you tend to do dumb shit. Starting to think he may have been a little buzzed and he was paranoid of getting caught. Just as assumption.

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[quote=MTK;1315238]First of all how does someone run out of gas? Never understood that especially with most cars these days that will tell you how many miles you have left.[/quote]

Knock on wood but I have never ran out of gas, I agree there should be no way in todays world of cars that u run out.. It's just laziness or u are broke and cant afford gas (clearly not his case)