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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1333927]As he should.

Let's hope for a run heavy game plan that takes Miles Garrett into account on passing downs. He's by far their best player, and you cannot allow their best player to beat you (as we've seen the previous two weeks). An early lead would be great. Hopefully Gibson's foot is ok; it looks like he's questionable at the moment.

No reason why we shouldn't win this game.[/quote]

Agree, but if Wentz isn't getting it done the 1st half I would not be surprised to see Heinicke back in the game

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On paper this is a perfect scenario for CW to come back and play really well.

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[quote=MTK;1333937]On paper this is a perfect scenario for CW to come back and play really well.[/quote]

Yeah he’s been set up with BRob and Chase back. Logan Thomas healthier. Dotson more experienced and a defense that has greatly improved since he started last. And a better understanding of the offense.

He needs to take advantage of it and for god sakes earn that paycheck

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Of course if Wentz wins these next two games then Ron is going to keep him next year, even if he loses in the wildcard round. Makes the offseason complex, but I would rather win now and deal with that later

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1333936]Agree, but if Wentz isn't getting it done the 1st half I would not be surprised to see Heinicke back in the game[/quote]

I think we've seen the last of Heinicke unless Wentz gets injured.

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If Wentz can stick to the quick passes and jives with the wide receivers quickly we might stand a chance. This o-line is not good enough to let longer plays develop.

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That D Line is going to fucking eat. Garrett and Clowney may honest to God have 4 sacks each.

27-10 Browns

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[quote=Meks;1333813]One of my best friends is a die hard browns fan.. always makes for a fun day when we play. I've rooted for Cleveland forever, been to games love the fans and the city but come Sunday all that means nothing. If we didn't get saddled with new years day we'd be driving down to the game but nonetheless, TV will have to suffice.

[B]I've watched all their games. Great defense and killer run game. Watson has stunk[/B], badly, but we will have to control the clock and move the chains in order to win this one.

Low scoring, 23-13 dub.[/quote]

Thats what scares me. Apparently they are 4th in fewest QB points allowed in fantasy

Ive seen maybe a quarter of Browns football.

Im worried.

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[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/browns-maven-features/browns-defense-under-joe-woods-more-adaptable[/url]

Really good in depth article of what Browns D Coord has done past few games to adjust. Written on Dec 6 so doesnt take into account past few games but past few games the D has been good

Browns D is no joke but apparently their DTs suck.

If they blitz/stunt/bring pressure = they dont respect us

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Browns DVOA defensive ranking is 24th overall, for comparison we're 11th.

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[quote=MTK;1333993]Browns DVOA defensive ranking is 24th overall, for comparison we're 11th.[/quote]

idk man .. im worried, they might be figuring their D out. They allowed 30 or more pts in 5 of their first 11 games. Since then ...

Won 3 of past 5 games, D points given up (and some of these might be off O turnovers returns for TD, idk)

17
3
23 (vs bengals)
14
17

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We dont pass pro well

We dont pass pro well against pressure or elite edge rushers

Wentz doesnt avoid sacks and isnt a great "quick pass" QB

If both teams get like 7 possessions total ... it may come down to a last min drive by either team in a low scoring game

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1333933]Ben Standig on Twitter

The Commanders have given a return-to-practice designation to TE Armani Rogers and CB Tariq Castro-Fields.[/quote]

Yea!! Armani Rogers, love that kid!! I also want to see what Castro-Fields can do instead of penalty riddled Wildgoose

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1333999]Yea!! Armani Rogers, love that kid!! I also want to see what Castro-Fields can do instead of penalty riddled Wildgoose[/quote]

Wildgoose is a fucking bum. Ron ignoring the CB much like the LB position has hurt us.

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[quote=Chico23231;1334002]Wildgoose is a fucking bum. Ron ignoring the CB much like the LB position has hurt us.[/quote]

Castro-Fields was considered a sleeper pick with a high upside

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[quote=SunnySide;1333998]idk man .. im worried, they might be figuring their D out. They allowed 30 or more pts in 5 of their first 11 games. Since then ...

Won 3 of past 5 games, D points given up (and some of these might be off O turnovers returns for TD, idk)

17
3
23 (vs bengals)
14
17

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We dont pass pro well

We dont pass pro well against pressure or elite edge rushers

Wentz doesnt avoid sacks and isnt a great "quick pass" QB

If both teams get like 7 possessions total ... it may come down to a last min drive by either team in a low scoring game[/quote]

Sure they are playing better as of late, they're just not a great defense by any measure.

Concern with playing SF was legit (#1 DVOA defense), the Browns though? Eh

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1334004]Castro-Fields was considered a sleeper pick with a high upside[/quote]

Let's keep him on the bench in a 'break glass in case of emergency' scenario. Wildgoose was terrible, and we'll likely get similar results from this guy. He was projected to be an average backup CB and a special teamer. No reason for him to see any meaningful time at CB anytime soon.

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A loss to Cleveland this week would erase any enjoyable parts of this season from my memory. This has to be a W.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1334009]Let's keep him on the bench in a 'break glass in case of emergency' scenario. Wildgoose was terrible, and we'll likely get similar results from this guy. He was projected to be an average backup CB and a special teamer. No reason for him to see any meaningful time at CB anytime soon.[/quote]

[url]https://www.seasidejoe.com/p/seahawks-draft-sleepers-fits-comparisons[/url]

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Dream scenario…
Somehow Howell is forced into action, and we make the playoffs. Howell looks awesome and we win at least one. We sign a cheap backup and Howell is the guy. We draft well and pick up a key FA or two. Revamp and solidify the oline. MLB , CB, S all addressed. Wentz and Taylor leave town. The end.

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Howell, SMH

As usual the unknown is the most popular guy in town.

I'm going to keep my expectations at rock bottom for him. Because chances are he's the next Joe Schmoe rather than the next Joe Montana.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1334029]Howell, SMH

As usual the unknown is the most popular guy in town.

I'm going to keep my expectations at rock bottom for him. Because chances are he's the next Joe Schmoe rather than the next Joe Montana.[/QUOTE]


He is the most popular guy in town because there is a glimmer of hope he is the guy. We know what we have in Wentz and TH.
It is silly not to hope he pans out.

Anyway it is a dream scenario. I have no idea if Howell is going to be good or not, but the jury is pretty much out on the other two.

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Funny how we got 2 from this list.

[url]https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/nfl-draft-sleepers-steals-2022/edcgixonnt1wqquwrvocbxyy[/url]

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1334031]Funny how we got 2 from this list.

[url]https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/nfl-draft-sleepers-steals-2022/edcgixonnt1wqquwrvocbxyy[/url][/QUOTE]


Good arm, great mobility. Seems like exactly what we need.

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Howell probably won’t ever be an elite QB.. he was a 6th round pick but that doesn’t always mean he can’t be a good starter. I’d like to see what he has but the coaches that see him every day know the truth


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1334034]Howell probably won’t ever be an elite QB.. he was a 6th round pick but that doesn’t always mean he can’t be a good starter. I’d like to see what he has but the coaches that see him every day know the truth


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Yeah, they see 2 3rd rounders and $28 million invested and don’t want to look like idiots. That’s what that is.

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Lol Thom Loverro says Wentz back is probably another Dan Snyder instigated move.

I doubt that

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1334038]Lol Thom Loverro says Wentz back is probably another Dan Snyder instigated move.

I doubt that[/QUOTE]


Nah Wentz looked sharp Sunday and made plays. The ball was flying out of his hand too. There is no comparison of who the Better passer is


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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1334035]Yeah, they see 2 3rd rounders and $28 million invested and don’t want to look like idiots. That’s what that is.[/QUOTE]


Yup. I agree. I am extremely doubtful that Howell wouldn’t be able to avoid pressure better than Wentz, or throw further than Heineke. I think any quarterback in the league could do those two things. Once again with our weapons, run game, and D a “capable “ quarterback would do wonders. Someone in between Joe Schmoe and Joe Montana. Lol
Our o line sucks but that is why we need someone who can evade the rush and Howell can. At least better than Wentz.

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[quote=Chico23231;1334038]Lol Thom Loverro says Wentz back is probably another Dan Snyder instigated move.

I doubt that[/quote]

ugh, Thom is tough to take seriously sometimes

He loves to rile people up

Thing is most of the time blaming Snyder is 100% the right call so he just rolls with that

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1334035]Yeah, they see 2 3rd rounders and $28 million invested and don’t want to look like idiots. That’s what that is.[/quote]

Maybe, and maybe they feel he hasn't had a fair shake here yet

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1334034]Howell probably won’t ever be an elite QB.. he was a 6th round pick but that doesn’t always mean he can’t be a good starter. I’d like to see what he has but the coaches that see him every day know the truth


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Agree chances are he won’t even be a starter based on draft position alone. I’d like to see him but will defer to the coaches expertise.

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Vegas Line

manders -2.5 at home

40 o/u

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Unless Wentz comes out literally on fire , this game will be close until the end.

24-17 is my guess


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Wrong site lol.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1334034]Howell probably won’t ever be an elite QB.. he was a 6th round pick but that doesn’t always mean he can’t be a good starter. I’d like to see what he has but the coaches that see him every day know the truth


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Howell was every bit as good if not better than Pickett was, yet Pickett went in the 1st round. Where you are drafted really doesn't mean much cause teams totally miss on players all the time.

Howell just needs to play. Sitting for a year really doesn't do him any good. Had he got his chance he would have made a lot plays, but he would also have some turnovers- pretty much what we are getting from the two guys in front of him.

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[url]https://twitter.com/jpfinlaynbcs/status/1608824235820199942?s=46&t=SwAuIEnZRVOLW2nBlBGB1A[/url]

Conklin and Clowney are huge pieces for them and looks like they are both out


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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlKuOUJXwAMrbF8?format=png&name=large[/IMG]

Hogs is the mascot

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[quote=skinsfan69;1334065]Howell was every bit as good if not better than Pickett was, yet Pickett went in the 1st round. Where you are drafted really doesn't mean much cause teams totally miss on players all the time.

Howell just needs to play. Sitting for a year really doesn't do him any good. Had he got his chance he would have made a lot plays, but he would also have some turnovers- pretty much what we are getting from the two guys in front of him.[/quote]

There hasn’t been a player drafted in rounds 5-7 that has become a viable starting qb in over 15 years. I doubt Howell is the exception to that. To me this speaks that Pickett is most likely not a viable starter either

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I could give a shit less about a mascot. Get into the playoffs and win a damn game for once


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Game status
Out: RB Antonio Gibson (sprained knee/ankle), Saahdiq Charles (concussion), DE James Smith-Williams (concussion).

Questionable: CB Benjamin St-Juste (ankle), S Kam Curl (ankle), CB Christian Holmes (ankle), S Percy Butler (hip).

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That doesn’t look good for the defense.