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This is an interesting read.

[URL="https://firstroundmock.com/2024/01/shocking-2024-nfl-draft-board-released-quarterbacks/"]https://firstroundmock.com/2024/01/shocking-2024-nfl-draft-board-released-quarterbacks/[/URL]

No idea how good these guys are but it's refreshing to find someone who's prepared to put their head on the block rather than just follow perceived wisdom.

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[quote=davy;1360816]This is an interesting read.

[URL="https://firstroundmock.com/2024/01/shocking-2024-nfl-draft-board-released-quarterbacks/"]https://firstroundmock.com/2024/01/shocking-2024-nfl-draft-board-released-quarterbacks/[/URL]

No idea how good these guys are but it's refreshing to find someone who's prepared to put their head on the block rather than just follow perceived wisdom.[/quote]

His takes are the dumbest shit out there.
He's basically begging for a professional job and is just shitting on the top two prospects hoping that one is a bust so he can say he was right.


Top notch NFL minds right here
[quote]A professional highlight came in 2017 when Cleveland Browns’ owner Jimmy Haslam personally wrote to me and asked me for my ideas. That turned into 166-page GM proposal, which I sent to him in the Spring of 2018.

Since being out of the league, I’ve come close to getting back in a few times. Most recently, I interviewed with former Redskins’ Team President, Bruce Allen in 2019.[/quote]

WTF is this? Do they just pop one out and leave it behind every year?
[quote]Together, we have nine children, one in heaven, [B]and eight more all over the country[/B]. All the Glory goes to God, I was told I’d never be able to have children when I went through testicular cancer back during my time at the Jets.[/quote]

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I know I want Jayden Daniels, because when I read mock drafts where he's the choice, I like it. If it's Maye, I don't like it. It's just a visceral reaction, no time to think too much. Just straight gut.

Still haven't seen a publicized mock with J.J.M. at 2 yet, so still waiting for someone to go there.

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[quote=jamf;1360817]His takes are the dumbest shit out there.
He's basically begging for a professional job and is just shitting on the top two prospects hoping that one is a bust so he can say he was right.


Top notch NFL minds right here


WTF is this? Do they just pop one out and leave it behind every year?[/quote]

Have to admit he does come across as a bit desperate in his bio.
Bragging about having had an interview with Bruce Allen is definitely not a wise move.

:saywhat:

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[quote=davy;1360819]Have to admit he does come across as a bit desperate in his bio.
Bragging about having had an interview with Bruce Allen is definitely not a wise move.

:saywhat:[/quote]

Lol. If I knew Bruce Allen, I'd lie and say I never met him.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1360820]Lol. If I knew Bruce Allen, I'd lie and say I never met him.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, he might as well have said that he and Cerrato used to compare notes.


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[quote=davy;1360816]This is an interesting read.

[URL="https://firstroundmock.com/2024/01/shocking-2024-nfl-draft-board-released-quarterbacks/"]https://firstroundmock.com/2024/01/shocking-2024-nfl-draft-board-released-quarterbacks/[/URL]

No idea how good these guys are but it's refreshing to find someone who's prepared to put their head on the block rather than just follow perceived wisdom.[/quote]

I am sorry I added a click to this worthless garbage. I follow Tennessee, to put Joe Milton ahead of the other guys is just a guy being a clown.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1360699][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIp_FXcXwAE_Vtr.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Now we're hearing JJ MC may be the guy at 2! LOLOL I cant wait for next month

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[quote=davy;1360816]This is an interesting read.

[URL="https://firstroundmock.com/2024/01/shocking-2024-nfl-draft-board-released-quarterbacks/"]https://firstroundmock.com/2024/01/shocking-2024-nfl-draft-board-released-quarterbacks/[/URL]

No idea how good these guys are but it's refreshing to find someone who's prepared to put their head on the block rather than just follow perceived wisdom.[/quote]

Love it. Not buying the "top 3" at all.

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I know I make fun of Caleb a lot but I almost feel bad for him. He has no shot going to Chicago. He's going to be put in a really bad situation there.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;1360790]The brass is meeting with McCarthy tonight for dinner before pro day tomorrow.
I’m hearing more about Vikings wanting to trade up for Maye.

We may(e) end up with a haul of picks, a second tier QB like McCarthy or Penix. I’m also hearing Justin Jefferson is in play. 👀[/quote]

FYI, Penix is not a 2nd tier QB imo. He may be in the eyes of the media, and maybe some teams, fans... but when you watch his games, he is the best QB in this draft. He makes more "NFL" type of throws, tight window, deep balls, you name it. And although I like Daniels, I think he is 2nd among the QB's IMO, I don't see him having an elite arm like Penix does. But he can make up for that w/ his running and playmaking. So therefore I'm all in favor of trading back and grabbing Penix.

McCarthy? He just doesn't have elite skills, neither as a runner or passer.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1360833]FYI, Penix is not a 2nd tier QB imo. He may be in the eyes of the media, and maybe some teams, fans... but when you watch his games, he is the best QB in this draft. He makes more "NFL" type of throws, tight window, deep balls, you name it. And although I like Daniels, I think he is 2nd among the QB's IMO, I don't see him having an elite arm like Penix does. But he can make up for that w/ his running and playmaking. So therefore I'm all in favor of trading back and grabbing Penix.

McCarthy? He just doesn't have elite skills, neither as a runner or passer.[/quote]

The best ability is availability. If Penix wasn't dealing with injuries so often his stock would be higher.

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JJ’s tape is pretty good. He’s your prototypical pocket passer. Accurate, good arm and throws on time. Idk if I’d take him at 2 but he’ll go top 15 I bet


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The concern I have with Daniels is his post season draft ranking rise. Most rankings had him outside the top 10 in January while Maye was generally ranked top 5 then. (Note most still have Maye higher than Daniels). I just don't like going with late risers, we did that with Jamin Davis and Forbes and that didn't pan out. I'd prefer Maye over Daniels (and Williams over both).

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[quote=skinsfan69;1360833]FYI, Penix is not a 2nd tier QB imo. He may be in the eyes of the media, and maybe some teams, fans... but when you watch his games, he is the best QB in this draft. He makes more "NFL" type of throws, tight window, deep balls, you name it. And although I like Daniels, I think he is 2nd among the QB's IMO, I don't see him having an elite arm like Penix does. But he can make up for that w/ his running and playmaking. So therefore I'm all in favor of trading back and grabbing Penix.

McCarthy? He just doesn't have elite skills, neither as a runner or passer.[/quote]I would be good with Penix in a trade back scenario. He's been healthy the last 2 years and has dominated. I've never seen a qb take his team to the title game and have his stock hit so badly. Kid was nearly flawless up to that game last year. Michigan had an absurdly good defense- national title like. Penix has a cannon, is a superb leader, highly accurate and good pocket presence. Would not be surprised at all if he has a great pro career.

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I would be happy with Penix if we took Joe Alt at 3 or 4 and then took Penix at 33

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[quote=nonniey;1360836]The concern I have with Daniels is his post season draft ranking rise. Most rankings had him outside the top 10 in January while Maye was generally ranked top 5 then. (Note most still have Maye higher than Daniels). I just don't like going with late risers, we did that with Jamin Davis and Forbes and that didn't pan out. I'd prefer Maye over Daniels (and Williams over both).[/quote]

Yeah, late risers are often the result of media and fan adulation, often fuelled by the agents who actively look to disparage the competing players. Daniels was rated as a 3rd round pick before last season, before the predraft hype machine got into full swing there was no doubt Maye was one of the best prospects of the last decade, now some talking heads declare he isn't even a 1st rounder . I will leave it to the FO to sift the facts from the innuendo, but there seem to be a lot of people, even here, who are absolutely convinced Daniels is a star and will likley be complaining loudly if he is not the pick at #2.

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Recently watched a podcast where NFL personnel people said that because of the exceptional abilities of the QBs at the top of this draft class that many people are nit-picking the qualifications of all of the QB's in this class. Caleb is such a transcendent talent that it causes people to have doubts about JD and Maye in comparison to him. Likewise, JD and Maye are so talented that evaluators start to point out correctable flaws in Penix, JJ, and Nix.. The bottom line for the experts on the podcast was that for teams that miss out on one of the top three there are still very good QBs available.

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1360842]Yeah, late risers are often the result of media and fan adulation, often fuelled by the agents who actively look to disparage the competing players. Daniels was rated as a 3rd round pick before last season, before the predraft hype machine got into full swing there was no doubt Maye was one of the best prospects of the last decade, now some talking heads declare he isn't even a 1st rounder . I will leave it to the FO to sift the facts from the innuendo, but there seem to be a lot of people, even here, who are absolutely convinced Daniels is a star and will likley be complaining loudly if he is not the pick at #2.[/QUOTE]


All true, but one of the qualities that pundits and football ppl see in Daniels is the ability to learn and improve. It’s a counterpart to raw athleticism and a quality that, for example, CY is deficient in. AP, DQ, & co. are looking for coach-ability, work ethic, mental processing speed, in addition to toughness, arm strength, accuracy, elusiveness and the other obvious QB qualities.

All top 5 QBs are studs, and all have potential NFL level issues. Let’s get the one whose issues OUR coaching staff knows how to fix and the one they know will listen and make adjustments.


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There is no way we are taking McCarthy at 2. No way. And if they trade out for him or Pennix we will all regret it. Do not get cute. Stick at 2. Take Maye or Daniels whoever they like better.

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[quote=punch it in;1360846]There is no way we are taking McCarthy at 2. No way. And if they trade out for him or Pennix we will all regret it. Do not get cute. Stick at 2. Take Maye or Daniels whoever they like better.[/quote]

I know they flew out to Mich to meet him, all the draft talk lately has been about how good he is

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1360848]I know they flew out to Mich to meet him, all the draft talk lately has been about how good he is[/QUOTE]


Everything i read about the guy is basically Saying the same thing… good attitude, work horse, chip on shoulder but weak long ball problems with progressions etc. So now everyone wants to say well Michigan quarterback who has untapped potential with a great work ethic- omg its Tom Brady. Lol.

Sorry he isn’t half as gifted as Caleb, Maye, or Daniels. It is a hard pass for me. After all these years of quarterback issues it has to be a “sure” thing. Is anyone ever a sure thing? Nope. Is there a chance JJ is being overlooked? Yep. Do I want to take that chance to pick up some draft capital when we have 5 other picks in the top 100 and desperately need a quarterback? Hellll nooo. Lol.

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J.J. McCarthy will be the best QB from this draft class. That being said, the pick is Jayden Daniels.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1360850]J.J. McCarthy will be the best QB from this draft class. That being said, the pick is Jayden Daniels.[/QUOTE]


I am a big fan of making bold statements that cannot be shot down for a couple years. Lol.

Nobody can predict the future but i do not want to walk away from the position we are in with a day two quarterback unless someone offers us such an insane amount of picks that it is impossible to say no.

Everything, (new owner, best gm in years, solid FA moves made, cap space still great, 9 picks [6 in top 100], new staff, excited fan base) points towards a day one number 2 pick at quarterback. I think it will be Daniels too.

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[quote=punch it in;1360851]I am a big fan of making bold statements that cannot be shot down for a couple years. Lol.

Nobody can predict the future but i do not want to walk away from the position we are in with a day two quarterback unless someone offers us such an insane amount of picks that it is impossible to say no.

Everything, (new owner, best gm in years, solid FA moves made, cap space still great, 9 picks [6 in top 100], new staff, excited fan base) points towards a day one number 2 pick at quarterback. I think it will be Daniels too.[/quote]

Definitely the best kind of bold statement. I got some 2048 predictions for you if you want them.

The safest bet (and still a crapshoot) is to draft the guy w/ the best physical tools. That is J.D. imo. I don't trust Maye's accuracy. His short pass stats are not very good. Those need to be almost automatic in the NFL.

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[quote]Adam Peters from JP Finlay

"With the guys we have in the room right now I don't think we have to rush anybody"[/quote]

Interesting take, saw a quote from a scout today that Maye has the highest ceiling QB in the draft but will take a lot of developing..... or just predraft smoke?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1360852]Definitely the best kind of bold statement. I got some 2048 predictions for you if you want them.

The safest bet (and still a crapshoot) is to draft the guy w/ the best physical tools. That is J.D. imo. I don't trust Maye's accuracy. His short pass stats are not very good. Those need to be almost automatic in the NFL.[/quote]

You mention physical tools, and then question (rightly) Maye's accuracy not the fact he has arguably better physical tools. Maye is 2 years younger so needs a lot more development, but aside from running speed his tools are better than Daniels imo.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1360857]You mention physical tools, and then question (rightly) Maye's accuracy not the fact he has arguably better physical tools. Maye is 2 years younger so needs a lot more development, but aside from running speed his tools are better than Daniels imo.[/quote]

Jayden's running skills are elite. I think his running skills gives him the overall physical tools advantage over Maye.

I should have added an either to this sentence:

I don't trust Maye's accuracy (either).

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I agree, although I don't feel I know enough about the prospects to have a firm opinion. My key thought is that we pick the QB that the coaching staff feel gives us the best option to succeed in our scheme, in our market (regardless of athletic talent its simply fact that they have to be sellable to the general fanbase and the media) and our team philosophy. For me, every QB we've drafted since Shuler has had me doubting they know what they are doing. This time at least I have more confidence that the combined brain trust are going to pick the right guy from those available. And more so, if he turns out not to be that guy, that they'll do what they can next year to get their guy and not hang on to a losing hand. And so on.

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Pelissero: “When I’ve had conversations here, with executives from other teams, who know Adam Peters well, who know the situation well, the most popular answer for what they do at #2 is JJ McCarthy.”

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1360860]Burgundy Blog
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Pelissero: “When I’ve had conversations here, with executives from other teams, who know Adam Peters well, who know the situation well, the most popular answer for what they do at #2 is JJ McCarthy.”[/quote]

You stole my ⛈️

The belief amongst executives who know #Commanders GM Adam Peters is that the pick will be J.J. McCarthy at #2 overall (@TomPelissero).

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Nothing would surprise me at #2 including JJMc.

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[quote=MTK;1360862]Nothing would surprise me at #2 including JJMc.[/quote]

Peters has on like 10 vests, I don't think anyone outside the building has a remote clue. Just guessing because it's draft season.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1360863]Peters has on like 10 vests, I don't think anyone outside the building has a remote clue. Just guessing because it's draft season.[/quote]

New week new speculation.

Next week we'll be taking Penix.

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[quote=MTK;1360862]Nothing would surprise me at #2 including JJMc.[/quote]

Agreed. I follow Michigan football. JJMc is a much better passer than most think. He’ll make big time throws in ‘must have it’ situations.

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If we take him and his questionable arm at 2 Im going to lose my shit. Lol.

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[quote=punch it in;1360873]If we take him and his questionable arm at 2 Im going to lose my shit. Lol.[/quote]

You better get some adult diapers just in case then lol. My odds:

50% - J.D.
25% - J.J.M.
15% - D.M.
10% - TRADE DOWN

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1360875]You better get some adult diapers just in case then lol. My odds:

50% - J.D.
25% - J.J.M.
15% - D.M.
10% - TRADE DOWN[/QUOTE]


Ill lose my shit until he proves me wrong. Diapers if necessary.

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[quote=punch it in;1360876]Ill lose my shit until he proves me wrong. Diapers if necessary.[/quote]

Just don't want you to risk losing a good pair of pants on April 25th.