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WoW! Now I remember why I don't frequent Extremeskins! My eyes like more light. Extremeskins is so dark! I had almost forgotten that Awesome read on cousinvinnie.

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Seriously. AND the avatars AND the signatures...

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]Well guess what jackass, Ive got a reason to! Look at the personell moves these idiots have made, that's why we are in the hole we are in. Thanks to Cerrato and Snyder, the following free agents and drafts have built our team (not).

Stephen Alexander (2nd round 1998)
Skip Hicks (3rd round 1998)
Mark Fischer (5th round 1998)
Nate Stimson (4th round 1999)
Derek G. Smith (5th round 1999)
Lloyd Harrison (3rd round 2000)
Michael Moore (4th round 2000)
Quincy Sanders (5th round 2000)
Sage Rosenfels (4th Round 2001)

Our middle round picks SUCKED for years!!! This is partially the reason we can't build a team. [/QUOTE]
On one hand, he's right. Lots of misses there. But take a closer look:
Stephen Alexander: 113 catches in first 3 years as a Redskin (most catches by a Redskin TE in that duration since 1993) - not re-signed after injury-plagued 4th season. Pro Bowler in 2000. This was not a bad pick.

Skip Hicks: 8 TD's as a rookie. Stuck behind Stephen Davis during Redskins tenure, purged during the Schottenheimer regime. Still in the league, by the way, unlike first round pick Curtis Enis.

Marc Fisher: 16 game starter in 2000. A quote from an interview with Business Week magazine - "In April of 1998, I was drafted by the Washington Redskins... During my half decade in the NFL...[B]I broke my leg, tore my anterior cruciate ligament, disfigured my fingers[/B], got married, had a son, started 18 games... got released and retired." Doesn't sound like a screw-up by the front office.

Sage Rosenfels: Drafted by one coach, traded by another. The year Rosenfels was traded we had [u]complete[/u] turnover at the position - not one QB remained on the roster. Rosenfels still has a job in the NFL, which indicates he isn't entirely a lost cause.

As for the rest, you win. Like [u]every team in the NFL[/u], the Redskins have made some bad picks. Don't believe me? In 2000, the mighty New England Patriots (the benchmark by which all drafts should be measured) selected Adrian Klemm, J. R. Redmond and Greg - Robinson Randall. Klemm, the top pick, saw action in 2 games last year. Redmond has 196 career carries and is no longer with the team. Randall is no longer with his team, and got exactly zero snaps in 2004.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Why don't we find out the answer to our decision-making questions straight from the horse's [url="http://extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?&threadid=95692"]mouth[/url][/QUOTE]

Good find...

I knew I had read that before, I just couldn't place where it was from.

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Cerrato is a pretty stand-up guy it seems like to me.

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Forgot to mention that wonderful trade deal that brought us Trung Candidate. Anyone remember if we gave up a 2nd or a 3rd rounder for Trung?

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]Forgot to mention that wonderful trade deal that brought us Trung Candidate. Anyone remember if we gave up a 2nd or a 3rd rounder for Trung?[/QUOTE]

This is getting old, Paul. What does Trung Canidate have to do with a front office in which Gibbs calls the shots??

That's not a rhetorical question.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Cerrato is a pretty stand-up guy it seems like to me.[/QUOTE]

Vinny never stands up...it would be to hard for him to keep his nose up Danny's butt if he were standing.

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[QUOTE=celts32]Vinny never stands up...it would be to hard for him to keep his nose up Danny's butt if he were standing.[/QUOTE]


Ba--Zing!!!

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]Forgot to mention that wonderful trade deal that brought us Trung Candidate. Anyone remember if we gave up a 2nd or a 3rd rounder for Trung?[/QUOTE]

I'm going to steal a quote that someone else used on a sister site, taken from the 1970 movie Kelly's Heroes..it should be our mantra.

"Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?"

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It was a 4th rounder and David Loverne for Candidate...

Cracking on this deal is absurd, we gave up nothing for a former 1st round pick.

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Sorry if I did a duplicate post, my computer screwed up and its been one HELLUA DAY!! But... I am now officially a home owner!

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]Sorry if I did a duplicate post, my computer screwed up and its been one HELLUA DAY!! But... I am now officially a home owner![/QUOTE]
congrats, now the work begins

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OK, this one's for Matt and TAFkas:

Boy, Im so happy with our front office I could shit myself! Sure they have made more than they share of wasted picks and big free agent busts in the past, but now, now we are on a different page. Now, Gibbs is involved with the 2 morons who helped screw up our team in the past, and because Gibbs now has final say so, the ship, hopefully, is righted. I believe. I believe that we are on our way back. I believe that, although no coach with complete say so over personnell decisions has won a superbowl, that there is a first time for everything. Hell, Im in such a good mood now that my closing is done that I from this day forward HEREBY FORGIVE the front office for its past screw ups!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

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I'm going to borrow from what Schneed10 said:

Griffin - hit
Springs - hit
M Washington - hit
Portis - hit
C Cooley - hit
S Taylor - hit
Walt Harris - hit
Salavea - big hit for the money
Brunell - miss
Barrow - miss

I'm sorry but that's a damn good offseason.

You're reaching deep if you're bringing up Trung Candidate, that's just ridiculous dude I'm sorry.

And like I said, a 4th rounder and a scrub offensive lineman for a former 1st round pick? I fail to see where this was a horrible deal. In the end it was a nothing for nothing deal.

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Ok. last post on this topic for me, which im sure you guys are happy about. I have argued that our front office blows because of past picks and free agents. You guys just want to look at last year, fine, last year was fairly good, but its not gonna make up for the past 10 years of screw ups. Ill give Gibbs the benefit of the doubt, but Cerrato and Snyder duo cannot pick talent, that's been pretty much proven.

"And like I said, a 4th rounder and a scrub offensive lineman for a former 1st round pick? I fail to see where this was a horrible deal. In the end it was a nothing for nothing deal."


Aren't you the same guy who slammed me for suggesting we use a 7th rounder on Crosby in the supplemental draft? That's pretty ironic.

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I don't deny the front office has made it's share of mistakes, especially in Snyder's first couple of seasons.

The spending spree in 2000 was a big mistake, and in the past the front office has definitely chased the big name, high priced players that haven't yielded much on the field.

BUT, we also have to consider the constant coaching turnover hasn't helped much either. With each new coach comes different styles and different needs for personnel, so we've been constantly going after different types of players year to year.

Now however, we're taking a different approach and are filling in the roster much more wisely in my opinion.

There were plenty of free agents available this offseason that in the past we would have chased. Instead we stood pat and made smarter moves that filled need positions like Rabach, Holdman, Rogers, etc.

I'm just saying we should judge the current front office for the job they're doing, 2-3 years ago is totally irrelevant. Nobody is denying the past screw-ups, but what does that have to do with right now?? That's all I'm saying.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I'm going to borrow from what Schneed10 said:

Griffin - hit
Springs - hit
M Washington - hit
Portis - hit
C Cooley - hit
S Taylor - hit
Walt Harris - hit
Salavea - big hit for the money
Brunell - miss
Barrow - miss

I'm sorry but that's a damn good offseason.

You're reaching deep if you're bringing up Trung Candidate, that's just ridiculous dude I'm sorry.

And like I said, a 4th rounder and a scrub offensive lineman for a former 1st round pick? I fail to see where this was a horrible deal. In the end it was a nothing for nothing deal.[/QUOTE]


The past is the past, Gibbs is accountable for himself, and Cerratto and co. are now accountable to Gibbs as well, Trung and so on are not on the current staff, regardless if some of them made moves that didn't work out they now answer to Gibbs he has the final say! Gibbs blew it big time on Brunell, as far as Portis? I wasen't a big fan of the trade but Gibbs seems bent on making it work, which is good to see, hopefully he does. But lets give credit where credit is due, and let's start with Cooley, then let's go to Taylor, yes the kid is a little hard to figure out but he was the right pick, I believe the number of steals via draft or free agency will be on a huge increase as this season progresses.

I have alway's been a big believer that great coaches can turn physically gifted players into great football players, Patriots are a great example and you can make a case for them not even being the most talented team in the league, and I believe that is what will start to take place with us over the coarse of the next season. Coaches who know how to utilize their talent and shape the game plan to fit that talent are the great coaches.