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[QUOTE=jrocx69]quit questoning Gibbs , you critics, who call yourselves skins fans will never be the poop that is wiped off of gibbs' ass. Let the legendary Coach do what he came her to do. He didnt ask for Ramsey, he was a left over from a coach who was a complete disaster for us. Brunell looks ALOT better than last year, and good enough to win games for us. It wasnt just Brunell last year. i cant believe no one has mentioned this yet... Our wr's sucked, look at Moss after the catch than coles, thats why coles was brought here, and never amounted to shit, especially after the catch yardage. Then you look at our running game last year with missing important right tackle, you know who.... and having shit for centers...and oh yeah, our 50 gut runs and counter treys with a 210 lb running back. Ummmm you think its all Brunells falt last season? I admit, he doesnt have the deep touch, but if you look at the midrange vs ramsey, its better. its better we dont have to watch ramsey make two great throws to blow it 70% of the time. its better we dont have a guy who will tuck and duck every time there is pressure or just throw a pic. brunell can leave the pocket and make a play or throw it away. brunell has grown more comfortable in this offense whether you like it or not. NO, he's not our future, and now we pretty much know..even if ramsey stays the whole season that he is not either. thanks im out[/QUOTE]



i agree with you 100%. brunell sucked last year,everyone can agree on that but the whole skins' offense sucked. this year the offense looks a lot better and brunel looks like a totally different qb, he actually looks good. ramsey does not look at all comfortable, i like ramsey, i really do but every time he drops back to throw a pass it scares the crap out of me,i worry about him throwing an interception every time.
gibbs came back to washington to re-establish the skins as a playoff football team, that is his #1 goal and it is clear that he does not have confidence in ramsey, i think he tried to build some confidence during the off season and during pre-season and even in the first game but ramsey just can't stop making the same bad decisions.
i still trust joe gibbs.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]MAN STOP CRYING AND PROVE IT EVERY TIME YOU'RE ON THE FIELD.[/QUOTE]

That is the whole rub, how do you get to prove it on the field when your coach won't let you go out and play, keeping you out due to 'injury'. How do you atone for a mistake if you are not playing or even given the chance to play?

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Brunell had the majority of a year in this offense, how shaky did he look? we went 6-10 and both our WRs BEGGED to leave. i'm sure that extra year towards middle age and an alleged healed hamstring really helped out his ARM. wait..WHAT??

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I hate to say it, and never thought I would be saying this, but I sort of agree with Terry Bradshaw. Man...that really hurt when I typed that. I need to go throw-up now, LOL! Well, I don't agree with everything he said, but concerning the QB position, if this becomes some kind of circus, yeah, just start Campbell. He is apparently our QB of the future.

I don't feel that Brunell will lead us to the promise land, but I think he makes better decisions, and better decisions leads to fewer turnovers. Take away those turnovers from Sunday's game, and maybe the Redskins win 12-0, or 15-0, etc.... point is, I don't care what anybody says, turning the ball over leads to losses, not wins. You can get away with it when you're playing a team that can't move the ball on you, but you won't be able to get away with it all the time or even half the time.

Certainly I'm shocked with the decision to start Brunell...I assumed it was only because Ramsey was hurt. I think it sucks for Ramsey, but I never really felt comfortable with him during THIS preseason. So, now it's on a healthy Mark Brunell to prove he still has it. He didn't light it up yesterday, but not many teams will be able to light it up against the Bears this year. Their defense is a mirror image of ours.

I like Patrick Ramsey and I believe he has a better arm than Mark Brunell, but like I said before, whoever our QB is, I'll be cheering them on.

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time for mooby to start putting paper bags over his head when he goes to redskins games.

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Oh...but was I meant to add in my last post concerning Bradshaw...he said that he wasn't the one who felt the game had passed Joe Gibbs by and that Gibbs didn't have anything left. That is a bold face lie, concerning the fact that I remember Bradshaw saying the exact words that "this is a young man's sport and the game has passed Joe Gibbs by."

LOL.....I think Bradshaw lost more than his hair!

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Has anyone posted proof that Ramsey ASKED for a trade?

Naughty Cow-Whore fan. He must be pissing himself over the fuss he caused.

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Brunell had more than his chance, 6-10. and that was after a "great pre-season". where exactly is the question mark? these new WRs are faster (further away) and smaller (even easier to miss) than the guys he missed all last season.

pre-season games and 3 drives was NOT a "chance". if Gibbs wants to go back on his word, because that's EXACTLY what he's doing, then he should at least put in Campbell who hasn't already proven his suckiness.

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Many years from now we'll look back on that year when Joe Gibbs declared a young strong-armed QB his starter and proclaimed he would be the guy for years to come. Even though there's a proven veteran backing him up and the team had just drafted a QB in that spring's draft. (or was it the year before?)

And someone will ask whatever happened to those QBs.

And someone else will respond "Well that young QB with the bright future, Jay Schroeder, Gibbs didn't like what he saw so he made the unpopular decision and pulled the plug on him in what he felt was the team's best interest. He ended up with the Raiders and didn't do much. The veteran, Doug Williams, got us a ring that season. And the rookie, Mark Rypien, won one for us four years later"

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[QUOTE=mooby]anyone else feel like the shit has hit the fan for us now? i really feel this is fucked up, i think the players like ramsey at qb more, and this can cause bad feelings amongst the players and coaches.[/QUOTE]

Good Point Mooby......and isn't Ramsey's best friend, OT Jon Jansen our most important player on the O line. How will that make Jansen feel about the team. Jansen was all excited because Ramsey was named the starter, then came the drafting of Campbell and all the fuss, and again Jansen voiced his concern. This could cause a rift between the players.....between those that back Ramsey and cause ill feelings from some of the players about Gibbs. This is exactly what we DO NOT need during DallaSS week a QB controversey :doh:

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]Oh...but was I meant to add in my last post concerning Bradshaw...he said that he wasn't the one who felt the game had passed Joe Gibbs by and that Gibbs didn't have anything left. That is a bold face lie, concerning the fact that I remember Bradshaw saying the exact words that "this is a young man's sport and the game has passed Joe Gibbs by."

LOL.....I think Bradshaw lost more than his hair![/QUOTE]

Bradshaw is an ape have you seen his broadcasts. He is like an ADHD, hillbilly who is killing himself drinking wood alcohol moonshine. He is not worth mentioning in the same breath as Gibbs. He may have been a helluva QB but he is an embarassment to the broadcasting industry.

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat]Has anyone posted proof that Ramsey ASKED for a trade?

Naughty Cow-Whore fan. He must be pissing himself over the fuss he caused.[/QUOTE]


Playing into the hands of the Cowturd fans! Redskins fans are supposed to be smarter than that! :biggthump

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!]Ramsey may still be the man, but he needs to cut out the mistakes or he may never start for the skins again. I would also be surprised to see Brown back on kickoffs at first on Monday.

The first warning was verbal.
The second warning is a benching.
The third warning... may not be a warning.[/QUOTE]

Gibbs just won't tolerate the same stupid mistakes.............

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[QUOTE=STPainmaker]Bradshaw is an ape have you seen his broadcasts. He is like an ADHD, hillbilly who is killing himself drinking wood alcohol moonshine. He is not worth mentioning in the same breath as Gibbs. He may have been a helluva QB but he is an embarassment to the broadcasting industry.[/QUOTE]


What's wrong with moonshine? LOL We might have to use it to gas our vehicles with! :lol:

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[QUOTE=STPainmaker]Bradshaw is an ape have you seen his broadcasts. He is like an ADHD, hillbilly who is killing himself drinking wood alcohol moonshine. He is not worth mentioning in the same breath as Gibbs. He may have been a helluva QB but he is an embarassment to the broadcasting industry.[/QUOTE]


:laughing-

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[QUOTE=Sammy Baugh Fan]
lol
Ya'll got played by this poster into freaking out[/QUOTE]

I was watching NFL Countdown and heard Mort say that Ramsey wanted to be traded. Mort is one of the more reliable media guys.


This whole situation makes me mad :cussing:

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[QUOTE=DirtBagZ]Chad Pennington had six fumbles...guess Herm Edwards should bench for the rest of the season and bring out the back-up. [/QUOTE]

But at least Chad Pennington had the excuse of coming off a shoulder/rotar cuff injury. Look at it this way, would you rather have Qunicy Carter or Brunell.......I'll take Brunell.

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anyway you look at it, Gibbs went against his word.

all the wasted practice reps, not to mention team trust. first three drives of the season was not 'support', it was a montrous waste of time and energy.

nevermind what its done to Ramsey, imagine how the team feels. especially the veterans who've been here and suffered all this franchise's drama along with Ramsey. Brunell us once, shame on Brunell, Brunell us twice....

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Well, Well, Well, lets see who predicted this, a Unhappy QB in Wahsington, I hate to brag but I will, I said that Ramsey days were #, by the Quarters he plays, and before the trading deadline he would be the 3rd QB on the Roster, its going to be Brunell and the young Dumb QB, you know the one out of Auburn......let Ramsey go, just let him go....and lets move on:FIREdevil

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this is a trick meant for Parcells. just has to be.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Many years from now we'll look back on that year when Joe Gibbs declared a young strong-armed QB his starter and proclaimed he would be the guy for years to come. Even though there's a proven veteran backing him up and the team had just drafted a QB in that spring's draft. (or was it the year before?)

And someone will ask whatever happened to those QBs.

And someone else will respond "Well that young QB with the bright future, Jay Schroeder, Gibbs didn't like what he saw so he made the unpopular decision and pulled the plug on him in what he felt was the team's best interest. He ended up with the Raiders and didn't do much. The veteran, Doug Williams, got us a ring that season. And the rookie, Mark Rypien, won one for us four years later"[/QUOTE]

I hate to do it to you TAFKAS, but ..... Doug Williams >>>>> Mark Brunell

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[QUOTE=celts32][QUOTE=illdefined]did everyone forget ALL OF LAST SEASON?? everyone was BEGGING for Ramsey, and now because of a couple pre-season games, we want the disaster of last season? if that's the case then we are WORSE than Philly fans. i have never witnessed such a fan 180 as i have now with people booing Ramsey on the first game. it's shameful.



I was there yesterday and I agree 100% with your criticism of the fans. Ramsey was given about a 2 play grace period before the boos started coming down. It's rediculous. How about letting our starting QB get comfortable at home. Later the crowd even got on Brunell after yelling for him to vome in. Our offense probably prefers to play on the road at this point. I know our QB's are not very good, but it doesn't help them play better when we booh them constantly. Ramsey was booed in the first series for crying out loud...just rediculous.[/QUOTE]

I was going to ask that question Celts32....I wonder how many people here that are backing Ramsey now would admit to booing him at the game.....fans are fickle, but more than likely frustrated over 14 years of losing seasons, we started out with lots of optimism--Jansen back, new center, Rogers looks like the real deal, Lavar getting healthy, Gibbs seems to be opening up the offense, D is looking good ....and now this :(

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[QUOTE=STPainmaker]Ramsey should chill a bit before demanding a trade right now. Settle down maybe he'll end up starting again. He has been in this offense for 1 year and he looks shaky at best. If he goes somewhere else he's gonna ride the pine also. I know he's full of pride but this is likely an agents demand not his own.[/QUOTE]

Good point, isn't his contract up after this year????????? He shouldn't have overreacted, but he knows he won't get any kind of deal holding a clip board on the sidelines....even if he doesn't get traded now, next year he is gone for sure........

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]Oh...but was I meant to add in my last post concerning Bradshaw...he said that he wasn't the one who felt the game had passed Joe Gibbs by and that Gibbs didn't have anything left. That is a bold face lie, concerning the fact that I remember Bradshaw saying the exact words that "this is a young man's sport and the game has passed Joe Gibbs by."

LOL.....I think Bradshaw lost more than his hair![/QUOTE]

:laughing-

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If Ramsey isn't really hurt, I'm quite upset about Brunell being named the starter.

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I don't think the game has passed JG by but I think he isn't man enough to admit a mistake with Mark B.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711]I hate to do it to you TAFKAS, but ..... Doug Williams >>>>> Mark Brunell[/QUOTE]

Well at that moment I'm not sure too many people really believed that DW was much more than a 32-year-old aging QB whose best years were quite possibly behind him.

The point is, this is not the first time that Gibbs has decided that the QB he intended to be the guy is quite simply not the guy. Not now at least. And it's one thing to say "hey I think Ramsey gives us the better option to win," but to declare the seaon disaster, call Gibbs a lying traitor, and wish death upon Brunell (not that you've done any of this Gmanc) before this all plays out...well that seems kind of silly to me.

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We're cooked. Sorry, but I cannot envision Brunell leading us to anything but mediocrity at best and disaster at worst.

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[QUOTE=illdefined]Gibbs hates Ramsey, nothing could be clearer. like LadyT said, he gave Brunell the entire important part of a season to show something, which he ruined, and he gave Ramsey three drives???

i dont like this one bit, it has to be something personal and i'm really surprised at Gibbs.[/QUOTE]

Ramsey replaced Brunell on week two. Or do you want to forget Ramsey's 3 INTs against the Giants. Every opportunity Ramsey has been given, he has squandered on his lonesome. He's an erratic mediocre second string QB at best. He'll never and I mean never be a top rated QB because of inconsistency. Reminds me of Chad Pennington more and more everyday.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]We're cooked. Sorry, but I cannot envision Brunell leading us to anything but mediocrity at best and disaster at worst.[/QUOTE]

We'll have to agree to disagree then. By default, the QB is a leader. However, I t hink on this team our leaders are Portis and the defense. So long as they play well I think we'll actually be ok

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]We're cooked. Sorry, but I cannot envision Brunell leading us to anything but mediocrity at best and disaster at worst.[/QUOTE]


Gotta believe baby. He's a rubber armed toolbag but Gibbs wants to give it another shot. If he shits the bed we'll move in another direction. Football's dynamic, things change....before you became Ramseyfan you were a redskins fan. This really hurts any true skins fan because ramsey was put through hell but the boss speaks, and we gotta listen. I feel your pain my friend but we have to hope Gibbs knows whats up.

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[QUOTE=SUNRA]Ramsey replaced Brunell on week two. Or do you want to forget Ramsey's 3 INTs against the Giants. Every opportunity Ramsey has been given, he has squandered on his lonesome. He's an erratic mediocre second string QB at best. He'll never and I mean never be a top rated QB because of inconsistency. Reminds me of Chad Pennington more and more everyday.[/QUOTE]

Are you standing behind Brunell?

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Okay, I think everyone should just calm down.

Ramsey obviously wasn't cutting it. Personally, I think he made some great throws but for every stellar pass he threw downfield he really killed momentum with poor decision-making that lead to turnovers.

Gibbs knows that we have a great defense and a terrific running game. Ramsey just doesn't fit the scheme because of the turnovers.

I really think all the fans who are blasting Gibbs' decision here really need to take a xanax or smoke a joint, and calm down a bit.

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[QUOTE=SUNRA]Ramsey replaced Brunell on week two. Or do you want to forget Ramsey's 3 INTs against the Giants. Every opportunity Ramsey has been given, he has squandered on his lonesome. He's an erratic mediocre second string QB at best. He'll never and I mean never be a top rated QB because of inconsistency. Reminds me of Chad Pennington more and more everyday.[/QUOTE]

so whats that make Brunell? when an erratic mediocre QB scored more and won more with the exact same team? or do you want to forget the last six games of the season.

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[QUOTE=illdefined]Gibbs hates Ramsey, nothing could be clearer. like LadyT said, he gave Brunell the entire important part of a season to show something, which he ruined, and he gave Ramsey three drives???

i dont like this one bit, it has to be something personal and i'm really surprised at Gibbs.[/QUOTE]

I really have to disagree here.

Gibbs doesn't hate Ramsey and I really think this decision was not personal.

Gibbs doesn't like the penchant for turnovers and he trusts veterans. He has always been that way. Ramsey hasn't developed into the game manager that he needs to be - it is as simple as that.

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[QUOTE=Drift Reality]Okay, I think everyone should just calm down.

Ramsey obviously wasn't cutting it. Personally, I think he made some great throws but for every stellar pass he threw downfield he really killed momentum with poor decision-making that lead to turnovers.

[/QUOTE]


Turnovers arent going to matter if we can't score points. With Brunell at the helm, he has yet to prove that we can score points. My beef with the situation has more to do with the overall scheme of the quarterback thats in, than the quarterback itself. Let me put it htis way, they both freaking suck right now. Bottom line. But Ramsey can at least get the ball downfeild and open up the game for Clinton Portis. I dont think that Brunell can. Right now, Clinton Portis is the only shot this team has of succeeding, in my opinion. I hope I'm wrong.

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[QUOTE=DirtBagZ]Chad Pennington had six fumbles...guess Herm Edwards should bench for the rest of the season and bring out the back-up. If there was to be a QB switch this season it should be to the future and Jason Campbell, if by week 6 or 8 and the Skins are out of it it is time to look to the future. Already one week and we have complete dissarray at the most important position on the offense and this is purely the fault of Joe Gibbs.

If Gibbs had no confidence in Ramsey he should have traded him the year we picked up Brunell or this offseason. To go all offseason and say that Ramsey was to be the starter only to yank him after a 1 1/4 quarters is ridiculuous. Yet another wasted first round pick, and we still don't know if had the talent to do the job...looks like Trent Green all over again to me.[/QUOTE]

I agree with a lot of your points - until the Trent Green reference.

I'm still irritated by that one because Trent Green (unlike Ramsey) actually had great numbers and really showed something. We lost him and turned around and traded a boat load of draft picks for Brad Johnson, who basically gave us two years.

I hate losing so many draft picks...

Hopefully we can recoup a 2nd rounder for Ramsey.

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[QUOTE=Drift Reality]Okay, I think everyone should just calm down.

Ramsey obviously wasn't cutting it. Personally, I think he made some great throws but for every stellar pass he threw downfield he really killed momentum with poor decision-making that lead to turnovers.

Gibbs knows that we have a great defense and a terrific running game. Ramsey just doesn't fit the scheme because of the turnovers.

I really think all the fans who are blasting Gibbs' decision here really need to take a xanax or smoke a joint, and calm down a bit.[/QUOTE]

I have an enormous amount of respect for Gibbs, but, knowing that Ramsey's neck is fine, I disagree in a big way with his decision to start Brunell. Brunell threw for 70 yards in nearly three quarters of play. Granted, he didn't throw a pick, but he didn't exactly prove himself to be a different quarterback than he showed himself to be in 2004. Is anyone impressed with Brunell's play of 2004. Also, I'm sorry but I don't buy into "he had a bum ankle last year" argument. Brunell flat out stunk, wounded ankle or not.

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[QUOTE=Drift Reality]
Ramsey obviously wasn't cutting it. Personally, I think he made some great throws but for every stellar pass he threw downfield he really killed momentum with poor decision-making that lead to turnovers.

Gibbs knows that we have a great defense and a terrific running game. Ramsey just doesn't fit the scheme because of the turnovers.
[/QUOTE]

you learned all that from the first 3 drives of the season huh? everyone just forgets last season, so did you base that on this pre-season? remember, Brunell had a great pre-season last year too.

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[QUOTE=Drift Reality]

Hopefully we can recoup a 2nd rounder for Ramsey.[/QUOTE]

There is no way that we will get a second round pick for Ramsey. My guess is that we will get a 4th round pick.