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Let's just all grab a beer and hug. :)

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Let's just all grab a beer and hug. :)[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

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[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck]Nothing personal but I think a bunch of you guys are getting carried away here. I don't see Ramsey going anywhere until the off-season at the earliest.

Gibbs is paranoid about the QB position as it is, why would he trade Ramsey now? Remember Gibbs flip-flopped Shroeder and Williams back and forth to the point that they hated each other. Why can't that scenario unfold here (without the hating part)? I think part of the reason Gibbs pulled PR so early was to give him a wake-up call and fire him up in anticipation of a return later this season. I mean if Brunnell goes down or sucks it up bad, even for a half, Ramsey could be right back in there. Do you think he'd be motivated? Think he'd throw a stupid pick on the 1st series?

While Gibbs does have the future in mind, his first priority is to win games. He's fair to his players, but he's not gonna dump Ramsey mid-season for junk when the Skins are 2-0 and alone in 1st, just because Ramsey's feelings may be hurt. Gibbs wants to win always, including right now.

Then there's the fact that Ramsey is signed thru 2006 relatively cheap, while Brunnell's contract is a behemoth that very well may have to be dumped at year's end. I mean 2 weeks ago a June 1st 2006 Brunell cut was practically a given. So if we trade Ramsey and dump Brunell at year's end that leaves us with...

...Campbell. I like what I hear but is a rookie really ready to take control of this team if Brunnell goes down? How'd the great Kyle Orton do this week? QB is tough and it takes time. Big Ben was the exception last year not the rule. I mean I'm worried enough about Campbell next year let alone this year. Keep in mind that we're a FIRST PLACE TEAM right now. We should be thinking that way. I know Gibbs is. The future is now.

So I really don't see Ramsey moving this year unless:
A. Campbell is really ahead of Ramsey on the 2005 depth chart
and
B. The offer for Ramsey is astronomical.

In the offseason if Gibbs really has no future plans for Ramsey, I think we'll let him go. I doubt Gibbs would hold him hostage here and force him to play out his contract, even if we have to dump Brunell.[/QUOTE]

Canuck you are scaring me...this might be one of the only logical posts in the history of Brunell/Ramsey debate on this forum. Quick someone get out the flamethrower......just kidding. Nice post.

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[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck]Nothing personal but I think a bunch of you guys are getting carried away here. I don't see Ramsey going anywhere until the off-season at the earliest.

Gibbs is paranoid about the QB position as it is, why would he trade Ramsey now? Remember Gibbs flip-flopped Shroeder and Williams back and forth to the point that they hated each other. Why can't that scenario unfold here (without the hating part)? I think part of the reason Gibbs pulled PR so early was to give him a wake-up call and fire him up in anticipation of a return later this season. I mean if Brunnell goes down or sucks it up bad, even for a half, Ramsey could be right back in there. Do you think he'd be motivated? Think he'd throw a stupid pick on the 1st series?

While Gibbs does have the future in mind, his first priority is to win games. He's fair to his players, but he's not gonna dump Ramsey mid-season for junk when the Skins are 2-0 and alone in 1st, just because Ramsey's feelings may be hurt. Gibbs wants to win always, including right now.

Then there's the fact that Ramsey is signed thru 2006 relatively cheap, while Brunnell's contract is a behemoth that very well may have to be dumped at year's end. I mean 2 weeks ago a June 1st 2006 Brunell cut was practically a given. So if we trade Ramsey and dump Brunell at year's end that leaves us with...

...Campbell. I like what I hear but is a rookie really ready to take control of this team if Brunnell goes down? How'd the great Kyle Orton do this week? QB is tough and it takes time. Big Ben was the exception last year not the rule. I mean I'm worried enough about Campbell next year let alone this year. Keep in mind that we're a FIRST PLACE TEAM right now. We should be thinking that way. I know Gibbs is. The future is now.

So I really don't see Ramsey moving this year unless:
A. Campbell is really ahead of Ramsey on the 2005 depth chart
and
B. The offer for Ramsey is astronomical.

In the offseason if Gibbs really has no future plans for Ramsey, I think we'll let him go. I doubt Gibbs would hold him hostage here and force him to play out his contract, even if we have to dump Brunell.[/QUOTE]
= hitting the nail on the head.

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[QUOTE=SUNRA]Never liked him and certainly didn't think he was the future of the team. If Eli Manning and Kyle Orton can start, Jason Campbell certainly can start and Gibbs can scale back the playcalling until he is comfortable with the offense. them the same way Ramsey did last year.[/QUOTE]


Scale back the playcalling????????????????????????????

You mean no more WR screens?

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Fom Newsday [url="http://www.newsday.com/news/columnists/ny-spglaub0927,0,4309342.column?coll=ny-rightrail-columnist"]http://www.newsday.com/news/columnists/ny-spglaub0927,0,4309342.column?coll=ny-rightrail-columnist[/url]

"The Jets will also consider trading for a quarterback. Patrick Ramsey is available after falling out of favor with the Redskins. The Jets would surely love to pry Billy Volek away from Tennessee, where he worked under Mike Heim.erdinger. But the Titans are not expected to deal him, especially with oft-injured Steve McNair edging closer toward retirement."


[url="http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/ny-spjets0927,0,5551205.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines"]http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/ny-spjets0927,0,5551205.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines[/url]
The Jets are testing the trade market for quarterbacks, but not much is available. The Titans' Billy Volek, Eagles' Mike McMahon and Redskins' Patrick Ramsey are not believed to be available.

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Marty should trade Rivers. Get another draft pick or a player. Be huge for SD.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Brunell is now starting for us, how do you figure he learned from his mistake?

To bad Gibbs didn't give Ramsey some real playing time to see if he learns from his mistakes, we all know WR's running the wrong routes is a Ramsey mistake not Gibbs, right!



I have to ask what team have you been watching, Ill has already pointed out that Gibbs stayed with Brunell 9 games last season, which was probably 5 games to long, Ramsey? 19 minutes, I hope the 9 didn't confuse you, the 9 represents minutes not games.

Funny how Ramsey won the job last season over Brunell in regular season competition, only to lose it in 19 minutes this season of regular season competition, as most scouts and coaches will tell you, pre-season doesn't mean jack when it comes to evaluation of teams and players, there are to many varibles that can lead to a players success, or failure, in a pre-season game.[/QUOTE]

Er...off, I guess I am confused. I don't understand why is it you want to make this out to be a vendetta against Ramsey by Gibbs? If that is not what you are saying, what is it? What would Gibbs or the Redskins hope to gain by doing so? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, guess what........it's a (lame) DUCK. It doesn't seem to matter be it a pre-season duck or regular season duck, to a 3-time superbowl winning coach, and winner in everything he does. He has built winners everywhere he has been, before and after the Skin's. If he thinks Ramsey can't cut it, and he clearly does, so be it. If it doesn't fit with some........scouts opinon, well considering the creds of those involved, I believe Joe knows!!! And hey.......look at that, Joe just managed what hasn't been done, basically since he left............beating the Boys in their own crib ON MONDAY NIGHT!! Are you a Redskin fan??? You sound more like a Ramsey fan.

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if and when Ramsey plays he'll be 10 times smarter and playing to prove he's for real. Ramsey will start again this season. Redskins have 14 more games and all in a row! Brunell will show up again, but we won't succeed without the both of them. Ramsey and Brunell will take us to the promised land if they both play smart calculated Gibbs ball. And then there's the 70 yd bomb on 1st and 10 from the Redskins 30 yd line down 13-7 with less than 3 mins remaining...

Maybe Joey T was right!?!?

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i think they will go after quincy carter or testaverde. both already know the system and they won't cost anything more than the money.. maybe in the off season. but i would be suprised if it happend now.

Jets, Ramsey
 

[url="http://www.prosportsdaily.com/nfl/redskins/rumors.html"]http://www.prosportsdaily.com/nfl/redskins/rumors.html[/url]

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[QUOTE=56FAN]i think they will go after quincy carter or testaverde. both already know the system and they won't cost anything more than the money.. maybe in the off season. but i would be suprised if it happend now.[/QUOTE]According to Sportings News this morning they are passing on Testeverde right now. They have brought in Quinn (from chicago last year), Doug Johnson and Jesse "The Bachelor" Palmer. Something tells me they aren't done considering it is a distinct possibility all of those guys are the same person using a bunch aliases. They are in trouble for sure. When you're hoping Fiedler can come back soon and save your season you have serious issues.

Of course Sporting News is talking about how the Pack might trade GB to a team in the AFC (Ravens,Miami,Jets). They did mention that the Jets ought to go after Ramsey.

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R. Davey, a two time SB ring holder, and A. McPherson, a former All American from FSU/Louisville are also out there, and have livlier arms that the who-whoz, wan-a-beez, hazbenz, and nevawazzs!.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Of course Sporting News is talking about how the Pack might trade GB to a team in the AFC (Ravens,Miami,Jets). They did mention that the Jets ought to go after Ramsey.[/QUOTE]

Who is GB?

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John Clayton just said on ESPN radio that even if they looked at Ramsey, they wouldn't give more than a 4th round pick. Sigh.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]John Clayton just said on ESPN radio that even if they looked at Ramsey, they wouldn't give more than a 4th round pick. Sigh.[/QUOTE]

YOUCH

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[QUOTE=skinsfan0201]No not really especially because your assesment is based on opinion and not actual fact. SUNRA I just think that you are way too negative on certain topics. I enjoy your commentary on somethings but I am just disappointed in your overall assessment of this situation and never thought that it was fair or carefully thought through. That is all. :)[/QUOTE]

he has based it on facts, and he's allowed to his opinion, sorry if you're not comfortable with that. He's stated why in a bunch of posts, i don't see why he should be forced to repeat them every single time it comes up.

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[QUOTE=56FAN]i think they will go after quincy carter or testaverde. both already know the system and they won't cost anything more than the money.. maybe in the off season. but i would be suprised if it happend now.[/QUOTE]

didn't they already toss carter for drug problems?

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[QUOTE=12thMan]Human nature my friend, human nature.....

What's funny is some of us were calling Gibbs a hypocrite a little over two weeks ago. I wonder how many of those fans are now endorsing a Ramsey trade.[/QUOTE]


I don't think it's hypocritical, i believe it's just a realization that Ramsey is not going to be the starting qb for the Washington Redskins. In that case, his value is more as a potential trade than as a back up. I don't think it represents a change in loyalty or even thinking, it's just accepting the situation as what it is. Brunell will be the starter here, period, so we know that PR's days are numbered. Being a realist, if he's gone anyway, why not deal him when his value is highest? Too many "I told you so's..." lately.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]John Clayton just said on ESPN radio that even if they looked at Ramsey, they wouldn't give more than a 4th round pick. Sigh.[/QUOTE]

If that's the case Ramsey isn't going anywhere

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[QUOTE=56FAN]i think they will go after quincy carter or testaverde. both already know the system and they won't cost anything more than the money.. maybe in the off season. but i would be suprised if it happend now.[/QUOTE]

If you can protect him, Vinnie can do the job!

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[QUOTE=offiss]Scale back the playcalling????????????????????????????

You mean no more WR screens?[/QUOTE]

I don't consider the WR screens to be complex although they are becoming a little predictable. The short dump-offs are affective and I see Campbell throwing to WRs on the out route keeping the ball primarily near the sidelines and taking a chance down field to Moss when we have established a successful running game. Slant passes, and button hook routes are too dangerous for him right now. It takes an experienced QB to throw the ball into coverage in such a small window. The best thing I can say is Jason has the height and a good sense to step up in the pocket when it has collapsed and complete the pass or avoid the sack. Only time on the field will get him ready. I really don't see Gibbs passing over him if Brunell is injured.

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Here is how this trade will work out. We will give the Jets Ramsey and our #2 for their #3.

We just love giving away draft picks and players for jack crap.

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Might as well give away picks with the way we've drafted lately.

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they have just signed Testaverde.

[URL=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2173714]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2173714[/URL]

Pastabelly chat
 

Man its nice to be undefeated..Anyway over at espn.com to start his chat. Jabba mentioned that before the Jets signed Vinny Testiclediversion, they spoke to the Skins last night and again this morning. I wonder what they offered. I would take nothing less that a first round pick.

I know this has been debated a bit already so sorry if this is old news.

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Here's a link.
[url]http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=9344[/url]

Read it while it's live, cuz it will probably be an insider article when it's done.

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[QUOTE=Red Robert]Man its nice to undefeated..Anyway over at espn.com to start his chat. Jabba mentioned that before the Jets signed Vinny Testiclediversion, they spoke to the Skins last night and again this morning. I wonder what they offered. I would take nothing less that a first round pick.

I know this has been debated a bit already so sorry if this is old news.[/QUOTE]

1ST or 2nd why not? he needs work, but he is far ahead a first round draft pick QB

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[QUOTE=Theismann's Good Leg]they have just signed Testaverde.

[URL=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2173714]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2173714[/URL][/QUOTE]

Testeverde has to be a complete ass to accept a job that he lost due to Chad's 58 million dollar contract. I mean why help the Jets only to have the fans criticize his play and watch this team spiral down to nothing? Poor Vinny. Didn't he learn anything in Dallas?

Jets contact Skin's
 

ESPN is reporting the, Jets contacted the Redskins regarding a possible trade for Ramsey. According to ESPN, The Redskins told them, they would not be trading PR.

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Got a link? I'm not finding this.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Got a link? I'm not finding this.[/QUOTE]

Dan Patrick is reporting on the radio right now

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Lenny P talked about it during his chat on ESPN too.

As long as we're winning we need to have a somewhat competant backup. If we're 5-2 and Brunell goes down, I don't think that Gibbs will want to play Campbell. Ramsey has to stay this year.

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I think the reason the Redskins aren't interested in trading Ramsey right now is simple. They are 2-0 and in first place and looking at the schedule there is a very good chance they can be 6-2, 5-3 at the midpoint of the season. With a minor injury to Brunell, Ramsey can come in for 1-2 games and be effective at this point whereas Campbell probably cannot. If they were 0-2, they would probably be more inclined to make the deal because the chances of a playoff season would be a lot less.. It's good to know the Jets have interest though, that way you know of at least one team interested in trading for Ramsey after the season..

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Reports on ESPN say Testaverde set to re join jets.

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[url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2173731"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2173731[/url]

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[QUOTE=CRT3][url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2173731"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2173731[/url][/QUOTE]

Makes sense, Gibbs is going to do what is best for the Skins and trading Ramsey would not be smart so not a surprise that they declined the trade, he feels that Ramsey is serviceable but just not the best 1st option. He can come in and win us some games and knows the offense, rather put ourselves in a position like the jets and have to bring in another QB who has to learn the system and we have a Veteran QB and two QBs that do not know or can run this offense or the playbook effectively if Brunell were to go down in the next game or two.

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Dan Patrick show reporting the new, new rumor is PR is viewed as the long term answer for the Jets. They expect PR and his agent, Jimmy Sexton to turn up the heat on the Skins to cut a deal

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I heard John Clayton on ESPN Radio this morning and he speculated that Ramseys value is no more than a 4th rounder at this point. Anyone who thinks at this point they can get anywhere near a 1st round pick for Ramsey is crazy. he was only the last pick of round #1 as a rookie and if anything his value has dropped considerably since then.

They are better off holding him as insurance than getting a day 2 draft pick for him.

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Unless the Jets offer their first round pick, they should hold on to Ramsey. A bidding war could start, especially if another team loses a QB or two.
Does Ramsey become an unrestricted free agant after this season?