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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Why does GW deserve more respect than LaVar?

Are you kidding?

That's like asking why does a General deserve more respect than a soldier.

It's pretty clear why GW deserves more respect than LaVar, because he's the damn coach.[/QUOTE]

LaVar has been fighting with us longer than GW....Doesn't anyone have any loyalty out there?????

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LaVar is the player, GW is the coach.

There's no debate here as to who deserves the respect.

I do have loyalty, #1 to the team and #2 to the men running the show.

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So you dont feel we as fans deserve an honest answer on the guy who stood for the whole organization???GW's defense lost the game for us last week. No turnovers in 3 games. That is not acceptable!!!!!!!!!

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Redskinsnation21 I think you need to just chill out and think about this. GW's defense has been the only positive thing coming out of Redskins Park the last 2 years. Last year without Lavar our defense was ranked #3. Maybe we could've been better with him, but we were damn good without him. So far, the first 2 games of this season our Defense has bailed us out. Especially the Dallas game.

Now I know that no turnovers in 3 games isn't the best stat, but ever since GW took over the defense we have become a respected defense throughout the NFL. I bet you ask any analyst, columnist, GM, whoever and they'll tell you that the BEST coordinator in the game right now is GW.

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]Redskinsnation21 I think you need to just chill out and think about this. GW's defense has been the only positive thing coming out of Redskins Park the last 2 years. Last year without Lavar our defense was ranked #3. Maybe we could've been better with him, but we were damn good without him. So far, the first 2 games of this season our Defense has bailed us out. Especially the Dallas game.

Now I know that no turnovers in 3 games isn't the best stat, but ever since GW took over the defense we have become a respected defense throughout the NFL. I bet you ask any analyst, columnist, GM, whoever and they'll tell you that the BEST coordinator in the game right now is GW.[/QUOTE]

I know, I feel you..GW is awesome and I hope he takes over down the road but I am just a frustrated fan and just want some answers. I just wanted him out there to lay out of some Broncos. I was at the game and the Bronco fans are the worst so I am just venting..

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]Because I already bought the jersey. :smashfrea[/QUOTE]
Don't feel bad. I have 4 of them!!! :smashfrea

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[QUOTE=RedskinNation21]I know, I feel you..GW is awesome and I hope he takes over down the road but I am just a frustrated fan and just want some answers. I just wanted him out there to lay out of some Broncos. I was at the game and the Bronco fans are the worst so I am just venting..[/QUOTE]


I hear ya man. I'm a big Lavar fan too, but if you have to trust the coaching staff.

Hopefully we'll see Lavar on the field soon, but if we're winning without him....then you can't argue with the decision the staff made.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]so... you're right and anyone that disagrees is retarded? that's an intelligent way to argue ;)[/QUOTE]
I thought my little preface to that statement would clue some in that I in fact didn't feel that way. My point was that this is the lamest discussion that has ever graced this board. How anyone can even believe that Lavar isn't playing for something other than performance reasons really is beyond mind boggling. You'd have to make a lot of contrary assumptions in the face fact to believe that. You'd also have to think that all of the coaches are lying and that the beat reporters are completely clueless along with the other players. It would have to either be a complete coverup or everyone involved is stupid. That is not reasonable to assume. He isn't playing because he isn't that good for our defense. Why can't people leave it at that? WE KNOW NOTHING COMPARED THE GIBBS AND WILLIAMS. They aren't missing the boat on Arrington. They see him every day and up til now he sucks enough to sit his ass on the bench. It is simple!!!!!!!!! We're not talking about something that is difficult to understand. Why is there even discussion on this?

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]You'd have to make a lot of contrary assumptions in the face fact to believe that. You'd also have to think that all of the coaches are lying and that the beat reporters are completely clueless along with the other players. [/QUOTE]

I guess you don't watch ESPN or read the local papers much, because several sports reporter and analysts(i.e. Kornheiser, Wilbon, Salisbury, Howie Long, Mike Ditka, etc.) have said that there is more to LaVar not playing than simply "not performing in practice". Most have also stated that it is a slap in the face to LaVar to make him suit up in full pads, just to sit on the bench like he's being punished.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]I guess you don't watch ESPN or read the local papers much, because several sports reporter and analysts(i.e. Kornheiser, Wilbon, Salisbury, Howie Long, Mike Ditka, etc.) have said that there is more to LaVar not playing than simply "not performing in practice". Most have also stated that it is a slap in the face to LaVar to make him suit up in full pads, just to sit on the bench like he's being punished.[/QUOTE]

THANK YOU

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the skins are just getting back at lavar for his actions during the off season and to keep him healthy so they can trade him this upcoming off season, he's going to cost a lot of money. his not playing has nothing to do with his ability or lack of ability to play in GW's defense.

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I hope not. You'd think they could deal with that with a bit more tact.

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just heard lavar on the john thompson show. he said that they arent giving him the practice time to prove himself. i love the way our team plays defense we make tackles and are good v.s. the run. and dont give up the deep ball. but one thing we dont do enough of is get sacks and cause t.o.'s . i will give GW not playing lavar on 1 and 2 down. put on passing downs not to have him in there to rush the qb is mind boogling. we are paying him alot of money to ride the bench and it is not like you can trade him away without taking a big cap hit.the way lavar talks it sounds like they are not telling him what there plan is for him let the man know..also why wasnt this brought up last year by GW about lavar not practicing good and making too many mistakes before he got hurt..he is a playmake on the field and a leader. yes sometimes he makes mistakes on the field...at least give him some oppurntunites to play and make plays let him more than a couple plays..give him three or four series and see how he does before we push another player out of town and take another cap hit..

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There have been so many pro's and con's WOW!!!! When all the dust clears, I'm truly interested in seeing what the final LaVar outcome is going to be.

Eighteen months ago JG and GW were the sweetest thing since sugar, now with the benching of one overated player they no longer know what they're doing. I find this all very difficult to comprehend. I say overated because there are a lot of inflated opinions relative to LaVar. Before long we'll be ready to dismiss both JG and GW because we know more about the game and who should, and should not be playing.

People, this coaching staff does not owe us any explanations "PERIOD" The only one they have to answer too is DS and if he's not complaining, the only thing we pay to do is watch. If you don't want to watch you don't have too. I certainly hope JG GW and the rest of the coaching staff does not read this stuff because they probably would be ready to leave town after witnessing such distrust.

Mr. Dan Snyder!! You played Chess with LaVar on the plane ride, the Warden cannot play games with the inmates. (Just Kidding) However there is an old saying "If you play with a Puppy, he'll lick you in the face". I know JG has warned you about that.

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I agree with everyone who said that the coaching staff doen't owe us anything... well, except a competitive team that doesn't quit and more wins than losses ;)

still, i heard lavar on radio a couple minutes ago and he said he had no idea why he wasn't playing, no one's told him why he's not playing, and he's not getting a chance to prove that he can play. Either he's saving face or there's a serious disconnect...

Lots have claimed that GW said its practice performance (per his interview), end of discussion. If that's so, then why have GW and JG said that he'll be playing more EVERY single time they're asked, only to leave him on the bench. Why does he go on the radio an talk about the lack of communication and how he's participating as much as anyone in the meetings and doing whatever is asked, but still being left in the dark about whats expected of him.

It IS confusing because lavar's interviews are a lot different from the GW/JG ones, and while you'd think lavar is just saving face, he's the one saying he's not sure if he'll play while JG/GW are saying he will (and then he sits on the bench).

I personally don't care if he plays our not. I think he'd help the team, but the D was fine without him, and while its let down this year, our corners (and possibly pierce) have more to do with that than lavar.

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i don't believe anyone said gibbs and williams don't know what they're doing. what was said is we don't believe that the truth is being told about the reasons for lavar not playing

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan]There have been so many pro's and con's WOW!!!! When all the dust clears, I'm truly interested in seeing what the final LaVar outcome is going to be.

Eighteen months ago JG and GW were the sweetest thing since sugar, now with the benching of one overated player they no longer know what they're doing. I find this all very difficult to comprehend. I say overated because there are a lot of inflated opinions relative to LaVar. Before long we'll be ready to dismiss both JG and GW because we know more about the game and who should, and should not be playing.

People, this coaching staff does not owe us any explanations "PERIOD" The only one they have to answer too is DS and if he's not complaining, the only thing we pay to do is watch. If you don't want to watch you don't have too. I certainly hope JG GW and the rest of the coaching staff does not read this stuff because they probably would be ready to leave town after witnessing such distrust.

Mr. Dan Snyder!! You played Chess with LaVar on the plane ride, the Warden cannot play games with the inmates. (Just Kidding) However there is an old saying "If you play with a Puppy, he'll lick you in the face". I know JG has warned you about that.[/QUOTE]

No, it's not that they don't what they are doing. I don't believe any rational Skins fan would come to that conclusion, unless they are being emotional. Gibbs and Williams definitely know what they are doing - for sure.

Here's the issue at hand: Is there more to it than what we are being told? Yes, I've seen all the Gregg Williams, Joe Gibbs, and LaVar interviews. (And no, they don't owe us any explanation either) - but it has to be more than he doesn't know the system or he doesn't practice well. That won't fly either.

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i say they DO owe us, the fans, an explanation. we buy the jerseys and the tickets and all the other skins stuff. we go to the games ,we watch on tv , we hoot and haller. the least they can do is tell us the truth.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan]People, this coaching staff does not owe us any explanations "PERIOD" The only one they have to answer too is DS and if he's not complaining, the only thing we pay to do is watch. If you don't want to watch you don't have too. I certainly hope JG GW and the rest of the coaching staff does not read this stuff because they probably would be ready to leave town after witnessing such distrust.[/QUOTE]

First of all, I don't think anyone said that Gibbs and Williams don't know what they're doing. I just happen to think that they're leaving out parts of the truth to keep from causing turmoil with the rest of the team and the fans. You all act like this can't be the case and they would never lie, but coaches do this [b]all the time[/b] during the season to avoid bigger problems.

Secondly, if you think the coaching staff does not owe us the truth, and they only have to answer to Snyder, you know nothing about business. The NFL is a 100% consumer based business. Does, Daniel Snyder buy 90,000+ tickets for seats at FedEx field on Sundays? Does he buy all the products that advertisers are selling during game commercials? No, we the fans do. This is further proven by the fact that there are roughly 10,000 shows about the Redskins on in any given week during the season in the Washington area. Snyder is the owner, and ultimately who the coaches have to answer to, but if we, the consumers are pissed off, he loses money. Saying that they don't owe us anything is like saying Microsoft doesn't owe you any updates or tech support when they sell you a crappy product.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]i say they DO owe us, the fans, an explanation. we buy the jerseys and the tickets and all the other skins stuff. we go to the games ,we watch on tv , we hoot and haller. the least they can do is tell us the truth.[/QUOTE]

Maybe you need to check and see what everyone has said

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Fish through the rubbish, you'll find it.

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LONGETIMEFAN,
who's everyone and i don't like fishing through rubbish

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lies , lies, everywhere lies

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You can continue thinking the coaching staff owes you something if you'd like, but I'm afraid you're barking up the wrong tree. Comparing Microsoft to football is like comparing apples and anything else irrelevant.

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My final comments regarding the Lavar situation.. 3-1. See all of you next week.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan]You can continue thinking the coaching staff owes you something if you'd like, but I'm afraid you're barking up the wrong tree. Comparing Microsoft to football is like comparing apples and anything else irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
Damn straight they owe us an explanation, Its our team not theirs. Where are their salaries coming from. They are paid to win games but tell us why without some away from the truth answer. This is the Washington Redskins not the joe gibbs or gw redskins. Thats horse crap....ITS OUR TEAM...without us they would be moving to L.A.....

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[QUOTE=RedskinNation21]Damn straight they owe us an explanation, Its our team not theirs. Where are their salaries coming from. They are paid to win games but tell us why without some away from the truth answer. This is the Washington Redskins not the joe gibbs or gw redskins. Thats horse crap....ITS OUR TEAM...without us they would be moving to L.A.....[/QUOTE]


They dont wanna hear that but i agree 100% with you...

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]
Secondly, if you think the coaching staff does not owe us the truth, and they only have to answer to Snyder, you know nothing about business.

Saying that they don't owe us anything is like saying Microsoft doesn't owe you any updates or tech support when they sell you a crappy product.[/QUOTE]

if you've ever worked in a business's marketing department, you'd know that telling the truth isn't important to most companies, as long as they can sell. Danny can sell out with 5-11 and 6-10 teams, with honest or dishonest coaches (whatever your opinion may be)... the quality of the product is mainly derived from wins and losses anyways, not whether the coaches decide to hold three hour pow-wows over every personnel decision they make.

and comparing anyone to microoft is silly ;) they really DON'T owe you anything beyond the crappy product. If windows update wasn't available, they'd still be making billions.

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this just in from sportstalk 980. LaVar has finally had enough. he said he is sick of hearing the coaches say he has to perform on the practice field. He said its hard to prove it on the practice field if you dont get on the field to practice. He feels that he is basically getting spit in the face by this staff. He loves the redskins, the fans, but said if they aren't going to play me, and continue to do this, he wants to be traded. I said long ago, its not Lavars ability to grasp this D, its something within the organization. It might be the contract thing, who knows, but its not because he cant play. Again, he is quoted as saying, "I do not practice!!" I practice as much as I am on the field during games, not at all!!!

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i feel sick

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan]You can continue thinking the coaching staff owes you something if you'd like, but I'm afraid you're barking up the wrong tree. Comparing Microsoft to football is like comparing apples and anything else irrelevant.[/QUOTE]

Once again, the NFL is a business first and foremost. Do you think the NFL is there just so a bunch of guys can go out on the field and toss the ball around? No, it's there to make money by selling it's product, which is the team, and it's byproducts which is it's merchandise, tickets, and advertising space. And that money comes from nowhere else but the fans.

If we weren't supposed to know anything about the state of the team other than what we see on Sundays, they wouldn't bother producing a hundred different shows about the NFL and Redskins(locally), and newspapers and radio shows wouldn't bother reporting on team related issues. Now of course no one can force the coaches to divulge information to us, just as no one can force Bill Gates to offer tech support for his product, but if you plan on having repeat customers, or long time fans to generate continued revenue for the future, you do little things like that to appease them. If it got to a point where people stopped buying the tickets and merchandise, things would change because it would be taking money out of Snyders pocket. Luckily for him, that won't happen in any time soon because for some reason, we blindly follow and love the Redskins, in spite of a decade of big spending, false hope, empty promises, and sub par seasons.

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Also, let me say i think this organization, as much as I love the Redskins, is handling this thing like crap. Its basically because of the offseason crap that was said, the contract thing, which LaVar dropped, but was taken back to court by the players association. This is just a series of events that this organization does to give it a black eye. you can not , and i dont care about records and what the defense is doing, so stop saying it. you can not tell me that Warrick,"sorry ass, cant get a sack, make 2 tackles game Holdman is as good or better than LaVar. All of us LaVar Arrington fans are outraged. I dont care if its Joe Gibbs, Dan Snyder to who ever, this is the most rediculous thing they could have done. This is a man that has been the Redskins for 5 years. Stuck by them in all the bad years, reworked contract after contract to get them more money to sign better players, worked his ass off to get back on the field, then loses his job. Zack thomas never lost his job, Urlacher never lost his, it awful. LaVar deserves better, we as Redskin fans wearing #56 and paying the prices to see our favorite players deserve better. This is a bush league thing to do especially to a player than has been this organiztions cash cow for 5 years. REDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=That Guy]Danny can sell out with 5-11 and 6-10 teams, with honest or dishonest coaches (whatever your opinion may be)... [/QUOTE]

Yeah, as much as I despise Snyder as the Redskins owner, he's actually one of my role models in business. I still haven't figured out how he's managed to turn the Skins into the most profitable franchise in sports, when they've had mediocre and worse seasons for his entire tenure. It must be the hype machine he creates every off season.

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Yes he is a marketing genious, but when it comes to players he is a little tyrant. To do what they are doing w/ Lavar is just plain stupid. I love the Redskins, always will, but how can us fans continue to buy jersey after jersey if they keep going to other teams in 3 years. I know its the way the NFL is, but when are our Redskins going to stay OUR REDSKINS?

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]you can not tell me that Warrick,"sorry ass, cant get a sack, make 2 tackles game Holdman is as good or better than LaVar. All of us LaVar Arrington fans are outraged. [/QUOTE]


OUTRAGED???? that doesn't even begin to cover the anger

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]Yes he is a marketing genious, but when it comes to players he is a little tyrant. To do what they are doing w/ Lavar is just plain stupid. I love the Redskins, always will, but how can us fans continue to buy jersey after jersey if they keep going to other teams in 3 years. I know its the way the NFL is, but when are our Redskins going to stay OUR REDSKINS?[/QUOTE]

I though I was the only one.....Keep preaching my brotha!!!

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if they are planning to trade him , which i think they are, they should play him this year to prove to any potential trade partner that he is still a dominant linebacker and that he has fully recovered from the knee injury.

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So much for LaVar not bitching... this is not going to end well.

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/11/AR2005101101908.html[/url]

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I refuse to believe that in the "animated" discussion Gibbs and Arrington reportedly had that they were discussing rib recipes. Seems weird that in the whole conversation Gibbs didn't tell him exactly why he wasn't playing and what he needed to do to get in the game. Maybe lavar didn't like what he heard and blocked it out.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]So much for LaVar not bitching... this is not going to end well.

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/11/AR2005101101908.html[/url][/QUOTE]

I agree this isn't going to end well, but I don't see how this qualifies as "bitching". I stand by my original statement that that Lavar has not been disruptive about this. Can anyone honestly say that his comments are inappropriate? No, you can't. He's willing to play special teams, just to get a chance to play and prove himself. The only possible comment is where he says "I'm to the point now that it's overshadowing what we're doing." But that's just a statement of reality - this thing is overshadowing what the Skins are doing this season.

Bottom line is that Gibbs/GW feel that Lavar off the field makes the team better than him on the field. This doesn't require a conspiracy theory. Their reasons may be personal, professional, organizational, or some combination. However, it is starting to look like there is a personal issue in this.