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Please conserve the violent outpouring of emotions for the the time (hopefully it won't happen) when we lose to the Eagles and miss the playoffs. That would be a memorable evening on this forum, LOL.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]I don't know either of you personally, but I know you through your posts. And I can say, (I'm not blowing smoke up your skirts either:) you both seem like good dudes. Really.


I don't think Matty is aiming anything personal toward you. I'm sure if you guys met, you'd be laughing at this shit over a beer.[/QUOTE]


LOL, I think I am a pretty cool dude too, glad someone else can see it. is that premadonna-ish?

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]LOL, I think I am a pretty cool dude too, glad someone else can see it. is that premadonna-ish?[/QUOTE]


Naawwww, I wouldn't call it pre-madonna-ish. Maybe conceited:), but not
pre-madonna-ish.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]He's always misquoted and always the victim.

It's getting old. Just shut up and play.[/QUOTE]


You're right!!! And if he would stop talking so much he wouldn't have to worry about being misquoted. This guy is beginning to be just one button hole below TO.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]Dude, you just love to jump all over my ass. What part of my quote did you not understand. "I could care less if he is here or not, we haven't won anything with him" or did you skip over that part. I just said I like the guy, what the hell is wrong with that? You need to stop jumping on my ass everytime I say something. its getting old!! I can't like somebody, I like portis, I think hes a great person in the locker room, is there something wrong with that. Are his comments and costumes a distraction too!

Hey, everyone keep you feeling to yourself. I am sure this guy will misconstrue what you say and just down your throat and be a smart ass as usual.[/QUOTE]

Jeez talk about overreacting... who's jumping down who's throat??

:doh:

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]I would chill if somepeople would attack me everytime I put something out here, namely Mattyk or whatever his name is. he must be looking for my posts, I guess I should take that as a compliment. I hate when ever I say something good or something I like about somebody, Mr. adm comes out and jumps my ass. We have had several discussions and all he does is disagree w/ everything I say. No matter what it is. I could say the Redskins wear Burgandy and Gold, and there would probably be something wrong with that.[/QUOTE]

You're really being a bit too sensitive/paranoid.

I don't have the time or interest to seek out anyone's posts on an individual basis like I have some sort of axe to grind.

In fact I don't even recall ever having a disagreement with you before... I'm not saying we haven't but I just don't recall because to be honest I lost my list of who's been naughty and who's been nice on this site this year.

I'll be starting a new list and you'll be at the top of people I'm out to get on this site. Congrats, 56fan or whatever your name is.

:rolleyes:

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Here's what I think of this LaVar thread...
[IMG]http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3006/salaveapee5db.gif[/IMG]

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I really don't think this is something that's exclusive to the Redskins.

Look around the league and you'll see plenty of players who leave their former team feeling disrespected. It's part of the game in today's modern free agency era.[/QUOTE]

While I agree that this isn't a problem exclusive to the Redskins, it is generally more of a noticable problem to poorly run organizations. The way this team is run is exactly the reason why Champ wanted out, and why Smoot and Pierce left over money issues of less than half a million dollars. If they had truly wanted to be here, 300k or 400k wouldn't have mattered.

I do think this was a bad time for these comments to be made public, but I don't have a problem with him feeling the way he does about this organization.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]While I agree that this isn't a problem exclusive to the Redskins, it is generally more of a noticable problem to poorly run organizations. The way this team is run is exactly the reason why Champ wanted out, and why Smoot and Pierce left over money issues of less than half a million dollars. If they had truly wanted to be here, 300k or 400k wouldn't have mattered.

I do think this was a bad time for these comments to be made public, but I don't have a problem with him feeling the way he does about this organization.[/QUOTE]

Champ I agree, he was frustrated with the constant turnover and he wanted out regardless of money.

Smoot and Pierce both stated they wanted to be here, and both were considered by Gibbs to be core guys.

Pierce especially gave the impression that he really did not want to leave, but in the end he left over a deal that gave him more up front money. I think it was more of a difference than just a few hundred thousand because of the way the contract was structured.

Smoot and Pierce both left over money, not the direction the team was going in.

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[QUOTE=Sammy Baugh Fan]Here's what I think of this LaVar thread...
[img]http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3006/salaveapee5db.gif[/img][/QUOTE]:food-smil

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Pierce especially gave the impression that he really did not want to leave, but in the end he left over a deal that gave him more up front money. I think it was more of a difference than just a few hundred thousand because of the way the contract was structured.

Smoot and Pierce both left over money, not the direction the team was going in.[/QUOTE]

I can buy that it had to do with the structure of the contract, but the way Snyder does contracts is also a reflection on the organization. He backloads a contract, and puts the bulk of the money in the last two or three years, and cuts the player before they get to those years of the contract(which is about to happen to LaVar). If I were Antonio Pierce, and the Giants offered me the same contract, but the bulk of the money was up front, I'd laugh in Snyders face too.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]I can buy that it had to do with the structure of the contract, but the way Snyder does contracts is also a reflection on the organization. He backloads a contract, and puts the bulk of the money in the last two or three years, and cuts the player before they get to those years of the contract(which is about to happen to LaVar). If I were Antonio Pierce, and the Giants offered me the same contract, but the bulk of the money was up front, I'd laugh in Snyders face too.[/QUOTE]

Snyder and just about everyone in the league structures contracts that way. That isn't anything new.

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]Misquoted?? that is a little well that is easy way out. I am and always will be a lavar supporter but like Jerry seinfeld said todays sports people don't cheer for players, they cheer for laundry and whoever is wearing that laundry is who they cheer for.

Lavar in my opinion will be here next year. i want him here but if he said any of this shit this week i am gonna get pissed because as gibbs said the entire town should have one focus-eagles. I am glad he now has to waste his ****ing time on the news because he wasted time earlier this week.

Better have a good excuse[/QUOTE]
The timing of his comments are really strange considering GW is likely headed to the Texans or Rams head coaching job. You would think LaVar would be optimistic about playing for Blache or someone else next year since GW does not put him in 3rd down packages.....the talk of retirement smacks of laziness and Ricky Williams. I love the guy and hopefully this will motivate him to take McMahon's head off on Sunday. I think he'll get cut because of the cap and we'll look for a veteran to replace him (who's last name isn't Holdman)......McCune time?

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I hope Gregg Williams stays and i hope Lavar retires, would be great for our cap/

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[QUOTE=Sammy Baugh Fan]Here's what I think of this LaVar thread...
[img]http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3006/salaveapee5db.gif[/img][/QUOTE]

love it!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]You're really being a bit too sensitive/paranoid.

I don't have the time or interest to seek out anyone's posts on an individual basis like I have some sort of axe to grind.

In fact I don't even recall ever having a disagreement with you before... I'm not saying we haven't but I just don't recall because to be honest I lost my list of who's been naughty and who's been nice on this site this year.

I'll be starting a new list and you'll be at the top of people I'm out to get on this site. Congrats, 56fan or whatever your name is.

:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

I am sure that is what your job as admn is. To be out to get people. very mature there big boy. And believe me, we have been into some discussions before, actually since day 1 when I signed up here about two months or so ago. And generally they have been about LaVar and Salary cap crap. Pretty good ones, I might add. So, I look forward to hearing more BS from you. I kinda like it.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Champ I agree, he was frustrated with the constant turnover and he wanted out regardless of money.

Smoot and Pierce both stated they wanted to be here, and both were considered by Gibbs to be core guys.

Pierce especially gave the impression that he really did not want to leave, but in the end he left over a deal that gave him more up front money. I think it was more of a difference than just a few hundred thousand because of the way the contract was structured.

Smoot and Pierce both left over money, not the direction the team was going in.[/QUOTE]

I dont know if having me agree with you is good or not, because I get crapped on most of time. But I have been saying this for a long time. the way this organization has handled people in the past and handles people is why we are in the shape we are now. Granted, it is getting better, alot better. But to have people leave who you have labled as core guys because of a few dollars says things about the organization. Dan Snyder and Co. have been crapping on people, not just players. Coaches, which is why players leave. Champ left because of the constant player and coach turn over, no money. Smoot and Pierce both say they gave us every chance to sign them, which is crap. If they wanted to be here, they would be. We offerred them contracts very similar to what they signed and they left. LaVar is in the same boat. He is being dumped on big time. He has been the face of the organization for 5 years, and because he speaks out about a contract or playing time, he is going to be dumped. Just like Brian Mitchell was years ago. Our return game has never been the same. Brad Johnson another player crapped on by the organization. He goes to the probowl, throws for 3K plus yards, and Danny boy, not the coach, benches him. Its a revolving door of players and coaches, always has been since Dan has taken over. Like I said earlier, before I get blasted, Joe and Co. seem to have stopped some of the bleeding. But we are again going to be faced with people leaving in the offseason, and having to fill gaps with free agency because of lack of draft picks.

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just like have been saying for years...arrington is a little bitch. if you listened to him after the giants game, he had no excitement over us winning. he's a selfish peice of trash. and i hope gibbs doesn't play him against the iggles.

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[QUOTE=Sammy Baugh Fan]Here's what I think of this LaVar thread...
[img]http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3006/salaveapee5db.gif[/img][/QUOTE]Where did this come from and who is this doing what?

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[QUOTE=SanFranSkinsFan]The timing of his comments are really strange considering GW is likely headed to the Texans or Rams head coaching job. You would think LaVar would be optimistic about playing for Blache or someone else next year since GW does not put him in 3rd down packages.....the talk of retirement smacks of laziness and Ricky Williams. I love the guy and hopefully this will motivate him to take McMahon's head off on Sunday. I think he'll get cut because of the cap and we'll look for a veteran to replace him (who's last name isn't Holdman)......McCune time?[/QUOTE]

To say a guy is lazy because he may not want to play football anymore is retarded. Was Barry Sanders lazy, Jim Brown? that is crazy to say. I am not just saying this because its LaVar. Other people retire or walk away from the game because of other reasons. You dont know why he would walk away, I am sure its not laziness. I dont see football players with repeated probowls, and great offseason programs as lazy. Barry sanders, jim brown, are the only players I can think of that walked away early, but I am sure there are others that would qualify as early retirees.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]I dont know if having me agree with you is good or not, because I get crapped on most of time. But I have been saying this for a long time. the way this organization has handled people in the past and handles people is why we are in the shape we are now. Granted, it is getting better, alot better. But to have people leave who you have labled as core guys because of a few dollars says things about the organization. Dan Snyder and Co. have been crapping on people, not just players. Coaches, which is why players leave. Champ left because of the constant player and coach turn over, no money. Smoot and Pierce both say they gave us every chance to sign them, which is crap. If they wanted to be here, they would be. We offerred them contracts very similar to what they signed and they left. LaVar is in the same boat. He is being dumped on big time. He has been the face of the organization for 5 years, and because he speaks out about a contract or playing time, he is going to be dumped. Just like Brian Mitchell was years ago. Our return game has never been the same. Brad Johnson another player crapped on by the organization. He goes to the probowl, throws for 3K plus yards, and Danny boy, not the coach, benches him. Its a revolving door of players and coaches, always has been since Dan has taken over. Like I said earlier, before I get blasted, Joe and Co. seem to have stopped some of the bleeding. But we are again going to be faced with people leaving in the offseason, and having to fill gaps with free agency because of lack of draft picks.[/QUOTE]
All true, but you have to give Snyder credit for getting Gibbs back and Gibbs wanted to work under him. If we are back in the playoffs in his second year, that's pretty good for a team that's been so problematic since Snyder came over.....but Gibbs is back (I know we could have hired Marvin Lewis instead of Spurrier, but we won't go there).....Gibbs has more rings.

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[QUOTE=mheisig]I can understand and sympathize with both sides of this argument, but I'm still pretty torn.

I've actually had the opportunity to meet Lavar in person in his home and he came across as one of the most humble, down to earth, all around nice guys you'll ever meet. Now I know you can't base a football player's worth on how "nice" he is or on my 15 minute encounter with him, but I am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I think Lavar was the superstar around here for years, and got used to it. Not through sheer arrogance or pride, but simply because he WAS the best we had and we treated him like it. After his injury he comes back and tries to readjust to a new system where GW does things differently. I think we can be somewhat empathetic and patient with someone who's being placed in an entirely new situation that he's not used to. I think Lavar handled the entire thing with a great deal of class and dignity and minimal "whining" and managed to fight his way back.

The interview with the Times does have bad timing. I'm inclined to blame shoddy Washington Times reporting as much as I am Lavar. Still, I'm not even sure I'd characterize his comments in the article as whining, lack of team spirit or whatever you want to call it. It sounded to me like a guy who has a pretty realistic perspective on his career and future and is just giving an honest answer.

Compared to any number of other NFL stars Lavar has been incredibly mature and a class act about the whole situation.

I think the whole Times article has been blown WAY out of proportion, and we fans are to blame. So he didn't pick the optimal time for an interview - it's not like a 2 page article with relatively benign comments by the player is just going to totally derail this team, demolish their focus and drive and send us spiralling out of the playoffs. I'd certainly hope they're a little more focused than to be so disrupted by something so minor.

Let's not make this in to more than it is.[/QUOTE]DIDO'S!!

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]I am sure that is what your job as admn is. To be out to get people. very mature there big boy. And believe me, we have been into some discussions before, actually since day 1 when I signed up here about two months or so ago. And generally they have been about LaVar and Salary cap crap. Pretty good ones, I might add. So, I look forward to hearing more BS from you. I kinda like it.[/QUOTE]

Like I said, if you think I'm out to get you then you should probably have your head checked.

If we have disagreed on things in the past what's the big deal?

Isn't that what a place like this is for? To have discussions pertaining to the Redskins??

I think you're being a little over sensitive. I have disagreements all the time with plenty of people here, in fact we all do from time to time, but again that's what we're here for. How much fun would it be if we all agreed on everything all the time??

Whether you believe it or not, I have nothing personal against you. I've ran this site for about 7 years now and I've never had any personal grudges against anyone, that's a waste of everyone's time and it's not what I, or this site, is all about.

But, since you've been here for a whole 2 months, I don't expect you to be able to appreciate all the hard work, time and money I and the rest of the staff here put in to the site on a daily basis. So I'll let you off the hook this time for questioning what my "job" here is and the motivation behind my BS posts.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]I dont know if having me agree with you is good or not, because I get crapped on most of time. But I have been saying this for a long time. the way this organization has handled people in the past and handles people is why we are in the shape we are now. Granted, it is getting better, alot better. But to have people leave who you have labled as core guys because of a few dollars says things about the organization. Dan Snyder and Co. have been crapping on people, not just players. Coaches, which is why players leave. Champ left because of the constant player and coach turn over, no money. Smoot and Pierce both say they gave us every chance to sign them, which is crap. If they wanted to be here, they would be. We offerred them contracts very similar to what they signed and they left. LaVar is in the same boat. He is being dumped on big time. He has been the face of the organization for 5 years, and because he speaks out about a contract or playing time, he is going to be dumped. Just like Brian Mitchell was years ago. Our return game has never been the same. Brad Johnson another player crapped on by the organization. He goes to the probowl, throws for 3K plus yards, and Danny boy, not the coach, benches him. Its a revolving door of players and coaches, always has been since Dan has taken over. Like I said earlier, before I get blasted, Joe and Co. seem to have stopped some of the bleeding. But we are again going to be faced with people leaving in the offseason, and having to fill gaps with free agency because of lack of draft picks.[/QUOTE]

Despite the horrible way this franchise is run, we're 9-6 and about to clinch a playoff spot.

Amazing. How did this team manage to do that in spite of our horrible owner?? It boggles my mind.

Before you jump all over me I see you prefaced your argument by adding that "Joe seems to have stopped the bleeding".

Well damn, if this is what stopping the bleeding is all about, I sure am all for it!!

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The iggles think they are getting lavar

[url="http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=17511.0"]http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=17511.0[/url]
:laughing2 :laughing-
:D

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I read that article in the times and it seemed Lavar was trying to say that if he was going to be cut or traded, he would retire becaue all he wants to do is be a redskin. Only in the rare exception of a team like the charger maybe he'd play otherwise he could do other thing outside of playing football, if he can't be a skin.

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I to am a big Lavar fan. as well as my brother and daughter.I would hate to see him go. But come on forget about misquotes. LET'S GET PHILLY. can anyone say sweep.

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[QUOTE=xtrm92000]I to am a big Lavar fan. as well as my brother and daughter.I would hate to see him go. But come on forget about misquotes. LET'S GET PHILLY. can anyone say sweep.[/QUOTE]
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Lavar is our modern-day Dexter, minus the coke habit. Great physical talent, but so, so dumb sometimes.

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Thanks for the welcome --- BigSKINBauer

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I think Lavar handeled the whole situation, injury, benched, money issues, with a lot of class. It could have been way worse like some of these other whiners (Quiffshan Johnson and Terrible Owens) both huge whinners.

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I don't think Snyder has anything to do with our current victories other than the fact that he brought back Gibbs. Now that Snyder has brought him back, he should stay away from Redskins' Park. Does anyone actually think that Snyder is a good owner? The guy is a grade A prick who is hated by players, former staff, league observers, and me. He's tarnished our franchise's reputation by alienating just about everyone.

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[url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/29/AR2005122901331_pf.html"]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/29/AR2005122901331_pf.html[/url]

A Dishonorable Discharge

By Mike Wise
Friday, December 30, 2005; E01



What in all likelihood was LaVar Arrington's last day in the home locker room after a regular season game at FedEx Field featured an ugly shouting match in the training room with his position coach, Dale Lindsey. Arrington had grown tired of Lindsey, the linebackers coach, calling him from upstairs in the booth, berating him for missed assignments in a victory over the New York Giants last Saturday.

He finally hung up on Lindsey, and the feud carried over into the locker room, growing more profane and personal. It ended with Arrington telling Lindsey to "Back off!" and "Treat me like a man!" According to two persons privy to the altercation, the coach went a tad more overboard than the player.

"I was thinking, 'Enough already,' " said one player, on condition of anonymity. "Let LaVar be."

What a fitting send-off for Arrington, the guy who carried Daniel Snyder's banner during the lean years. Beautiful. Way to emotionally beat down a proud, sentimental veteran whose only real character flaw was that he stubbornly believed enough in this organization to want to retire here.

This town is a win from going absolutely ga-ga over Joe Gibbs's team again. Beat the Eagles on Sunday and Gibbs secures a postseason berth for Washington for the first time since 1999. "Ten and six" must sound so much better than 6-10 to the true zealot. What a phenomenal, 12-month turnabout that would be.

But let's not forget the marginalization of Arrington, the franchise's most popular player of the new millennium. The spin being put out on Arrington's latest comments is frankly amazing. Many are ripping the guy who told the Washington Times this week that management didn't want him, that he was most likely done in Washington. People are treating Arrington as if he were a T.O. clone, creating controversy, stirring the pot on the brink of the franchise's most important game in years.

No one is talking about how in two humiliating years, Mr. Redskin was callously turned into Mr. Irrelevant.

Hampered by injury and the lack of confidence his coaches have in him, Arrington rarely plays on third and fourth downs anymore. On many Sunday afternoons, when the opposing offense is facing a third and long, Arrington sits. Never mind that he is bigger and faster than Fred Dean was lining up at defensive end for the great 49ers teams of the 1980s, Arrington's pass-rushing skills are somehow deemed too insignificant to help a blitzing, aggressive defense.

When Arrington is given a fair amount of snaps, the masses are informed that it has nothing to do with Arrington playing the way that earned him two Pro Bowl selections. No, they say LaVar got religion, believed in the principles of defensive coach Gregg Williams's system, finally put in the rehab and film time needed to be rewarded with more playing opportunities.

Arrington was asked about a moment he thought his career changed in Washington. He was reminded of a Wizards game last season. His face was flashed on the overhead video scoreboard and was greeted by intermittent boos. He was taking the heat for his team's dismal season. After the game, Arrington waited patiently as the crowd filed out. He had arranged to get a pair of signed shoes from a visiting NBA player. MCI Center security guards would not let him back near the locker rooms. The most popular athlete in town was treated like a deranged fan demanding to be let in the locker room for an autograph.

Arrington got angry and emotional before his future wife calmed him down. The next day, he canceled his season tickets. Was his love affair with Washington already dying?

"No, the town never turned on me," he said, sitting in front of his locker at the team's practice facility in Ashburn on Wednesday. "They were always behind me. It was individuals. That's all I'm going to say."

He won't say who, but we already know where and with whom the enmity began. Snyder, the team owner who made him fabulously rich and befriended his charismatic, handsome linebacking star, dumped him quicker than AOL stock. From the moment Arrington filed a contract grievance in March 2004, contending the team omitted $6.5 million in bonus money agreed upon for the 2006 season, he was shuttled out of Snyder' suite and sent to the doghouse. The Redskins said they did not owe Arrington the money, and the linebacker eventually dropped the arbitration case.

But with Snyder no longer in his corner, it became open season on Arrington for the coaching staff.

When Arrington was hardly playing in late September and early October this season, he saw Snyder in a hallway and was about to offer some pleasantries. "Don't talk to me," the owner said, according to a person who saw the encounter. "I didn't have anything to do with this."

When Gibbs and his coaching staff took over the team two years ago, they did not consider Arrington to be part of the solution to the franchise's woes; they saw him as another impediment. They believed Arrington could not curb his individualism for the good of the team. They never got around the perception that he could not fit in. They saw Arrington as a nuisance -- a high-maintenance, high-salaried star who could never live up to his Pro Bowl aura or reputation.

As effective and bright as the team's coaches are, they decided who Arrington was and what he was about before they gave him a chance to see what he could become. And when he finally showed them his worth, his body betrayed him again. He played only two full games last season and missed 12 games with a bone bruise.

The injury cost Arrington a shot at proving his worth to Williams and his staff. They moved on and inserted lesser-known players, and the defense turned in one of its best years in recent memory. Returning from offseason knee surgery robbed him of his explosiveness this season. He wasn't their cup of tea to begin with, and his ailments made it that much easier to cast him aside.

Arrington's representatives asked that they be allowed to speak with other teams about a possible trade early this season, but were rebuffed both times. Now, it wouldn't be a surprise if the team waited until mid-July to cut him, after every other franchise has run out of salary-cap room.

Was Arrington also to blame for this pending divorce between player and team? No doubt. He is an emotionally deep, feeling person. If he was being honest with himself, Arrington would admit he took things too personally, internalized every slight, felt his loyalty and accomplishments before Gibbs was hired were completely overlooked by the new regime.

He hated the perception that he was only a freelancing, headhunter, unable to coexist in a defense built on elaborate schemes that demands on-field discipline from its players. It made him look book-smart and system-dumb.

But when your face stops appearing in the team's marketing campaigns, when they don't restock your jersey in the team store until the demand becomes overwhelming, when the assistant gets in your face like you're the walk-on, the writing is on the wall.

Crazy, no? Most people in the organization believe they learned to win without Arrington. They have no idea that they won in spite of how they treated him.

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I am a huge lavar fan, but there are several things i can agree with about the lavar haters. For one, he needs to keep his mouth shut, and handle this behind closed doors. For me, i just want to see both sides make a compromise and see Lavar finish his career as a redskin.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Despite the horrible way this franchise is run, we're 9-6 and about to clinch a playoff spot.

Amazing. How did this team manage to do that in spite of our horrible owner?? It boggles my mind.

Before you jump all over me I see you prefaced your argument by adding that "Joe seems to have stopped the bleeding".

Well damn, if this is what stopping the bleeding is all about, I sure am all for it!![/QUOTE]

Again.

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer][url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/29/AR2005122901331_pf.html"]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/29/AR2005122901331_pf.html[/url]

A Dishonorable Discharge

By Mike Wise
Friday, December 30, 2005; E01[/QUOTE]

Gosh that's a sad article. Sure, Lavar isn't some completely innocent little child in all of this, but it sure sounds like a guy who really believed in and loved the Redskins organization only to be tossed aside.

I'm glad he has some perspective on life and I'm sure he'll be successful after football. It's quite a testament to his love for the organization that he will pretty much retire before playing anywhere else.

Yes, I know, the team is more than just one guy. But it sure is sad seeing one good player after another getting cast aside like trash.

The team IS more than the individual player, but it shouldn't be at the expense of the individual.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]Again.[/QUOTE]

Again what?

You post and someone responds, amazing concept this message board stuff, huh?

;)

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[QUOTE=mheisig]Gosh that's a sad article. Sure, Lavar isn't some completely innocent little child in all of this, but it sure sounds like a guy who really believed in and loved the Redskins organization only to be tossed aside.

I'm glad he has some perspective on life and I'm sure he'll be successful after football. It's quite a testament to his love for the organization that he will pretty much retire before playing anywhere else.

Yes, I know, the team is more than just one guy. But it sure is sad seeing one good player after another getting cast aside like trash.

The team IS more than the individual player, but it shouldn't be at the expense of the individual.[/QUOTE]

I can see both sides of it, but in the end I don't feel very sorry for LaVar.

That's life in the NFL. It's a business first and foremost. Teams cut ties with their stars and move on all the time. I wonder if LaVar is mentally tough enough and that's why the coaches are so hard on him.

From the sound of it, this defensive staff is very demanding. They're obviously looking for certain kinds of players, and perhaps they're pushing LaVar to see how he responds and to see if he can be their kind of guy.

Sadly it appears he's simply not their kind of guy. LaVar needs a certain level of nurturing and coddling, and that's simply not going to happen from the likes of Williams, Blache & Lindsey.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I can see both sides of it, but in the end I don't feel very sorry for LaVar.

That's life in the NFL. It's a business first and foremost. Teams cut ties with their stars and move on all the time. I wonder if LaVar is mentally tough enough and that's why the coaches are so hard on him.

From the sound of it, this defensive staff is very demanding. They're obviously looking for certain kinds of players, and perhaps they're pushing LaVar to see how he responds and to see if he can be their kind of guy.

Sadly it appears he's simply not their kind of guy. LaVar needs a certain level of nurturing and coddling, and that's simply not going to happen from the likes of Williams, Blache & Lindsey.[/QUOTE]

The more this story unravels, it seems the emotions of Lavar got the best of him again. I don't think it is coincidence that Lavar goes off and spurts his mouth off after he gets jumped on by Lindsey. It now does not surprise me that the media jumped at the opportunity to interview Lavar this week after catching wind of the confrontation, it hasn't failed the media yet this year knowing when to ask Lavar those critical questions about the prganization right after he is sent to the naughty chair. What was I thinking Lavar the coach should not get on you about missing assignments, you are Mr. Redskin and the fans love you. I love Lavar as well, but his belief and emotions as to what should be said to him or he should be handled different because he has been here for a while, he needs to act like a man if he wants to be treated like a man and stop crying to the media.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]From the sound of it, this defensive staff is very demanding. They're obviously looking for certain kinds of players, and perhaps they're pushing LaVar to see how he responds and to see if he can be their kind of guy.

Sadly it appears he's simply not their kind of guy. LaVar needs a certain level of nurturing and coddling, and that's simply not going to happen from the likes of Williams, Blache & Lindsey.[/QUOTE]

I doubt very seriously that LaVar needs any kind of coddling to perform. There's a huge gap between coddling and berating. And they're not trying to push LaVar to see how he responds, they're pushing him out the door.