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This idea that he needs to take a discount is ridiculous. The team needs to step up and pay him or he's gone. It's really that simple.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=mooby;1183607]He doesn't need to be realistic. Brock Osweiler got 80 million last year. What part of that is realistic? Welcome to the NFL, where even mediocre qb's who haven't proven anything get paid. The ones who have proven it get even more paid.[/quote]

how much of that did he actually see?

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

He doesn't have to take a discount. Hopefully we make a fair offer and its up to him to say yes or no. If its no, he moves on, and we draft a QB. Skins just need to determine what they're willing to offer, and if they don't offer enough, be willing to accept the fact he can and most likely will say no.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1183614]He doesn't have to take a discount. Hopefully we make a fair offer and its up to him to say yes or no. If its no, he moves on, and we draft a QB. Skins just need to determine what they're willing to offer, and if they don't offer enough, be willing to accept the fact he can and most likely will say no.[/quote]

You make a fair point but i think drafting a QB could potentially follow the Cousins situation:

We draft a QB and get him at a moderate price due to the rookie deal. Couple of years down the road we have the same problem - Redskins don't want to pay the big money to keep him.

I think in all that is going on, some of us don't realize that KC is/was that same drafted QB. We for the first time in a long while drafted & developed a legit starting QB. What assurance do we have that the FO doesn't make the same mistake with whoever they drafted? Can we really say "Oh they learned from the Cousins mistake"? Has this franchise consistently proved that we have learned from any mistakes made??

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[quote=calia;1183191]Hilarious, but accurate if you define the "right fit" as "any team remotely interested in me."[/quote]

The right fit would be a college team. Too bad his eligibility is gone. And the Browns are the closest thing to a college team in the NFL, and he couldn't cut it there either.

I think the new "right fit" should be the AFL or CFL.

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[quote=mooby;1183621]The right fit would be a college team. Too bad his eligibility is gone. And the Browns are the closest thing to a college team in the NFL, and he couldn't cut it there either.

I think the new "right fit" should be the AFL or CFL.[/quote]

I hear the XFL is making a comeback.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1183611]how much of that did he actually see?[/quote]

About 37 million I do believe. Still a lot of money for a shitty qb cut by the Browns.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;1183619]You make a fair point but i think drafting a QB could potentially follow the Cousins situation:

We draft a QB and get him at a moderate price due to the rookie deal. Couple of years down the road we have the same problem - Redskins don't want to pay the big money to keep him.

I think in all that is going on, some of us don't realize that KC is/was that same drafted QB. We for the first time in a long while drafted & developed a legit starting QB. What assurance do we have that the FO doesn't make the same mistake with whoever they drafted? Can we really say "Oh they learned from the Cousins mistake"? Has this franchise consistently proved that we have learned from any mistakes made??[/quote]

Yeah, they'd probably screw it up, but that would be 4-5 years down the road. Franchising him and kicking the can down the road will just cost us more money and players. Time to marry him or break up with him. Should be interesting.

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1183619]You make a fair point but i think drafting a QB could potentially follow the Cousins situation:

We draft a QB and get him at a moderate price due to the rookie deal. Couple of years down the road we have the same problem - Redskins don't want to pay the big money to keep him.

I think in all that is going on, some of us don't realize that KC is/was that same drafted QB. We for the first time in a long while drafted & developed a legit starting QB. What assurance do we have that the FO doesn't make the same mistake with whoever they drafted? Can we really say "Oh they learned from the Cousins mistake"? Has this franchise consistently proved that we have learned from any mistakes made??[/QUOTE]Good points.

One thing though: I think the root of this messing up Kirk's contract situation is that the FO didn't draft him thinking of him as a franchise QB.

Yeah they drafted him but they didn't view him as the guy.

One can hope they'd handle the QB situation better with somebody they drafted to be the guy.

I say that still hoping they sign him long term, even in the high 20s M.

But yeah, marry or break up, don't make us live another year under the tag.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;1183619]You make a fair point but i think drafting a QB could potentially follow the Cousins situation:

We draft a QB and get him at a moderate price due to the rookie deal. Couple of years down the road we have the same problem - Redskins don't want to pay the big money to keep him.

I think in all that is going on, some of us don't realize that KC is/was that same drafted QB. We for the first time in a long while drafted & developed a legit starting QB. What assurance do we have that the FO doesn't make the same mistake with whoever they drafted? Can we really say "Oh they learned from the Cousins mistake"? Has this franchise consistently proved that we have learned from any mistakes made??[/quote]

The big assumption is that the QB the Skins draft ends up working out as well as Cousins did and that's a huge assumption. The Skins history with drafting QBs shows the pick is much more likely to be a bust than what has happened with KC.

The front office seems incapable of learning from any mistakes they make.

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[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/35033/blaine-gabbert-denver-provide-redskins-reason-to-fear-life-without-kirk-cousins]Blaine Gabbert, Denver trio give Redskins reasons to keep Kirk Cousins - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

All we ever wanted was a decent QB that can help us win.
Now we have one and our FO outsmarted themselves in negotiations and we could lose him or overpay him. Thank you Allen/Snyder for putting us in this position.
I think I would rather a drunk run our FO. At least we would be making better moves than these two clowns have made.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1183638][url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/35033/blaine-gabbert-denver-provide-redskins-reason-to-fear-life-without-kirk-cousins]Blaine Gabbert, Denver trio give Redskins reasons to keep Kirk Cousins - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url][/QUOTE]Good read, thanks.

I also think that despite mediocre results, we could have the pieces around Cousins in the foreseeable future.
The defense is coming around and should get some playmakers back from injury.
We have a very competent O line when healthy.
I think our receiving corps has under achieved this season and can do better than that.

Looking at this roster, the only real gaping hope is a true #1 RB (and maybe a capable blocking TE).

Sure there's room for improvement and we could use a WR that can catch.
But my point is if we sign Cousins, manage to stay healthy, and have a good off season, there's no reason to believe we'd have to wait 10 years before being very competitive.

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Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

My money is that he walks. I hope I am wrong, but wasn't he quoted earlier in the year that if Allen was retained he was walking, or something to that effect? Also this is directed at Frenchy. Why do you think our current WR corp is going to get better? Outside of Crowder, they are scrubs or they were this season. I wish they would have played Maurice Harris more. He showed some promise last season in his limited work he had. I would love to see what these younger guys have. Grant isn't going to get any better and Doctson could go either way next year as this was his "rookie" year being able to play at all.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=Ivar the Boneless;1183706]My money is that he walks. I hope I am wrong, but wasn't he quoted earlier in the year that if Allen was retained he was walking, or something to that effect? [B]Also this is directed at Frenchy. Why do you think our current WR corp is going to get better?[/B] Outside of Crowder, they are scrubs or they were this season. I wish they would have played Maurice Harris more. He showed some promise last season in his limited work he had. I would love to see what these younger guys have. Grant isn't going to get any better and Doctson could go either way next year as this was his "rookie" year being able to play at all.[/quote]

I don't think they're [B]going to[/B] get better. I just think they can.

I think this receiving corps has to have been awfully coached this season:

-Crowder took a major step back and suddenly had a massive drops issue
-Vernon Davis had a lot of drops too
-Jordan Reed even when healthy was quite absent, we know he's better than that
-I sure think Doctson's disappointingly slow development can be, at least partly, pinned on coaching
-Even Terrell Pryor going from master of catches in traffic in Cleveland to handless turd here points at something not being OK in the WR room...

So yeah, we need to find a #1 WR in FA, a true one. But I think this receiving corps has more potential than this season showed and is not as big as roster hole as it can seem.
I'd love to see a change at WR coach.