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[quote=Irrefutable;1194091]They may have signed an UDFA sleeper guard. He looks decent on paper.

[url=http://www.draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=128402&draftyear=2018&genpos=OG]Sean WelshÂ*|Â*Iowa,Â*OGÂ*:Â*2018 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile[/url][/quote]

Pat Kirwan brought him up as one of his favorite UDFA guards.

Hope he can at least provide strong competition.

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[quote=MTK;1194107]Yeah but what’s more plausible, Kouandjio putting it together or an UDFA winning the job?[/quote]

We should not be in this position.
We did not address our biggest or second biggest need in our starting line up for a second year in a row. Who in our fucking awesome FO thought Kouandijo or a UDFA starting at LG is conducive to winning?
Why do we we cheap out at Oline but have millions for an oft injured 3rd string WR or an old slot CB?

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I don’t think we’re done looking at guards, a decent vet could easily hit the market

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[quote=MTK;1194113]Man some of you guys love crying over spilled milk. Not every move works out, shit happens[/quote]

Yeah I get that...but McClain and Stacy McGee really didn't put it together. So really 2 moves at the same position. 1 I can deal with...but 2 fairly large contracts in free agency same year?

Come'on, that's weak.

McClain was terrible...McGee was JAG. that's some serious scrilla for the worst run defense in the league.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1194118]I don’t think we’re done looking at guards, a decent vet could easily hit the market[/QUOTE]Agreed. Some already are available.

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[quote=MTK;1194118]I don’t think we’re done looking at guards, a decent vet could easily hit the market[/quote]

Could?
That is great planning by our FO. Could.
I see how this works, we could win the Super Bowl.
I am sorry Matty, I do not mean to come off as an asshole to you. I am just tired of our FO putting us in this situation for two years in a row. We fail twice to properly address this huge hole in our starting line up.

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One thing that should be said is we cant expect to get everything we need in the draft...simply rarely happens. Also, we didn't reach and got guys we believe in..

When looking at totals, its pretty shocking to me...not a lot of actual Guards drafted:

[url=http://insider.espn.com/nfl/draft/positions/_/id/47/year/2018/offensive-guards]2018 NFL Draft Results by Position - Offensive Guards - ESPN[/url]

5 in the first 2 rounds...none in the 3rd/4th...5 taken in the late rounds. Simply not enough talent.

And in the first two rounds, Austin Corbett was a god aweful, terrible reach from the Browns. Conner Williams has never played Guard and is projected there...meaning he is a project and not a strong prospect.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1194120]Yeah I get that...but McClain and Stacy McGee really didn't put it together. So really 2 moves at the same position. 1 I can deal with...but 2 fairly large contracts in free agency same year?



Come'on, that's weak.



McClain was terrible...McGee was JAG. that's some serious scrilla for the worst run defense in the league.[/QUOTE]


Enter Payne and Settle...

They obviously saw the problem and addressed it, hopefully the results are much better

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1194125]Could?

That is great planning by our FO. Could.

I see how this works, we could win the Super Bowl.

I am sorry Matty, I do not mean to come off as an asshole to you. I am just tired of our FO putting us in this situation for two years in a row. We fail twice to properly address this huge hole in our starting line up.[/QUOTE]


Should, feel better?

They obviously felt that bigger holes needed to be addressed in the draft

Doesn’t mean the process of filling out the roster is over

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[quote=Defensewins;1194125]Could?
That is great planning by our FO. Could.
I see how this works, we could win the Super Bowl.
I am sorry Matty, I do not mean to come off as an asshole to you. I am just tired of our FO putting us in this situation for two years in a row. We fail twice to properly address this huge hole in our starting line up.[/quote]

You don't necessarily use the draft to address a need. By that, I'm saying, you don't reach for a guy and draft him higher, even though he would fill an area of need, you'd draft the best player available at the spot or the best player on your draft board at that time. Sometimes, the position you have a need for has a player, who's the best pick at that spot, and you draft him. Sometimes, it doesn't happen that way.

For example, there is a position you really need filled - let's say it's CB. You're picking 54th. There is a CB that is available and he's rated to go, no worse than 54th. Let's say there's an ILB, who's rated to go 34th, but for some reason or another, he fell in the draft and is available. Well, let's say you don't have a need at ILB, and your draft board says you draft that corner at 54th. This would be the case in which you draft for need. You're not reaching for the guy, he was rated to be drafted at, or earlier, than your pick and is available.

But on the flipside, say that CB was rated to go 72nd in the draft, you're picking 54th. You're not reaching for that corner, even though that would fill and area of need. You're either trading down the draft and picking up more picks and possibly trading down far enough to still draft the CB, or you're drafting best player available, which could be that ILB that was rated to go 34th. Do you understand how it works?

It appears that the front office ignores some areas of need, but you also have to understand that you can't go out and fill every single area of need in one or two drafts. Even then, sometimes free agency fills that need, or sometimes you find diamonds in the rough free agents out of college that go undrafted. Remember, this is where Bobby Beathard buttered his bread (wanted that to be a tongue twister lol!) It wasn't that he was going out and filling those teams with first round and second round picks. He was, often, filling those championship squads with diamonds in the rough guys; guys traded from other teams, undrafted guys, guys from the USFL, etc...

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[quote=metalskins;1194137]You don't necessarily use the draft to address a need. By that, I'm saying, you don't reach for a guy and draft him higher, even though he would fill an area of need, you'd draft the best player available at the spot or the best player on your draft board at that time. Sometimes, the position you have a need for has a player, who's the best pick at that spot, and you draft him. Sometimes, it doesn't happen that way.

For example, there is a position you really need filled - let's say it's CB. You're picking 54th. There is a CB that is available and he's rated to go, no worse than 54th. Let's say there's an ILB, who's rated to go 34th, but for some reason or another, he fell in the draft and is available. Well, let's say you don't have a need at ILB, and your draft board says you draft that corner at 54th. This would be the case in which you draft for need. You're not reaching for the guy, he was rated to be drafted at, or earlier, than your pick and is available.

But on the flipside, say that CB was rated to go 72nd in the draft, you're picking 54th. You're not reaching for that corner, even though that would fill and area of need. You're either trading down the draft and picking up more picks and possibly trading down far enough to still draft the CB, or you're drafting best player available, which could be that ILB that was rated to go 34th. Do you understand how it works?

It appears that the front office ignores some areas of need, but you also have to understand that you can't go out and fill every single area of need in one or two drafts. Even then, sometimes free agency fills that need, or sometimes you find diamonds in the rough free agents out of college that go undrafted. Remember, this is where Bobby Beathard buttered his bread (wanted that to be a tongue twister lol!) It wasn't that he was going out and filling those teams with first round and second round picks. He was, often, filling those championship squads with diamonds in the rough guys; guys traded from other teams, undrafted guys, guys from the USFL, etc...[/quote]


Check out Joe Jacoby as maybe the best Redskins example of a successful UDFA.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1194138]Check out Joe Jacoby as maybe the best Redskins example of a successful UDFA.[/quote]

Absolutely excellent example!

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1194117]We should not be in this position.

We did not address our biggest or second biggest need in our starting line up for a second year in a row. Who in our fucking awesome FO thought Kouandijo or a UDFA starting at LG is conducive to winning?

Why do we we cheap out at Oline but have millions for an oft injured 3rd string WR or an old slot CB?[/QUOTE]



I understand your frustration, but i think you’re overreacting a bit.

- looking over our roster, left guard is the only position where we do not have a clear starter and backup. That’s far better than where we have been in a long long time

- if theres any position to have questions about, Id say offensive guard is one of, if not the “best” one. Offensive guard is the most easily replaceable position in the NFL. We have 2 other offensive lineman who are arguably top 3 in their position and a 3rd (moses) who is near pro-bowl level. Even without the left guard situation resolved, i think most of the other teams in the league would swap o-lines with us in a heartbeat.

- the start of the season is 4 months away. Almost every year, we pick up a surprise cut late in the offseason who becomes a key contributor to this team. Really good guards are going to get cut by other teams in Salary-cap moves.

- even jf we don’t find an adequate guard among the guys on the roster, and even if we don’t sign a veteran later in the offseason, Shawn Lauvao is out there. He’s be more than serviceable as our “last resort” option.

In the end, Its simply too early to panic about the guard spot. If we’re in the same spot in mid July, then I’ll get concerned.


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The Redskins UDFAs signed ;
#2 RB
#3 OL
#6 TE
#4 DB

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000930204/article/top-undrafted-free-agents-following-the-2018-nfl-draft]Top undrafted free agents following the 2018 NFL Draft - NFL.com[/url]

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The way some of you talk you'd think we were going out there with a HS roster, remember we were the number 1 rush defense before Allen and Ionnadis got hurt. No matter what we do it seems like half of you will complain to the point of non sense.

I wonder everyone is in agreement it seems that the Cowboys have the best OL in football, without looking it up how many of you could tell me who the LG is??