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[quote=CrustyRedskin;1040497]You'd think a coach with two SB rings could muster up a good enough team to win this panzy a$$ division. This is the worst this division has been in a decade and we cant win it. wtf. Im waiting outside the liquor store til it opens whos with me??[/quote]

Yeah but he won those a long time ago with one of the best QB's ever. You think Tom Coughlin and the Giants aren't saying the same thing?

Even though I really don't want to see it, I think Shanahan gets 5 years. To be fair, he should get a offseason with free agency money, and one where RG3 isn't doing rehab.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;1040497]You'd think a coach with two SB rings could muster up a good enough team to win this panzy a$$ division. This is the worst this division has been in a decade and we cant win it. wtf. Im waiting outside the liquor store til it opens whos with me??[/quote]

Unfortunately, those wins were a long, long time ago. For all his hype, the man has won one playoff game, just one, in the last fourteen seasons, soon to be fifteen. And many of those years he has had much more talented teams than this one.

The game has clearly passed him by and that's more and more evident with each passing game. But he's also arrogant and that's a lousy combination. To think that the Giants were recently a laughaboe 0-6 and now the Skins are tied with them for last place in the worst division in football. This franchise has been in a slow death spiral for two decades and nothing is going to change.

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[quote=Green Monk Machine;1040468]I have 30games from '80's on vhs[/quote]

Hhhmmmm....any way you could make me a copy of those games? I would love to have them. They don't stay up long enough on You Tube.

Try this: If you were a shareholder in a corporation and your management team reported to you that 'things hadn't gone as planned, that they need to go back to the drawing board', not once or twice but repeatedly, at what point would you pull your investments?

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[quote=RedskinRat;1040552]Try this: If you were a shareholder in a corporation and your management team reported to you that 'things hadn't gone as planned, that they need to go back to the drawing board', not once or twice but repeatedly, at what point would you pull your investments?

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I'm not a shareholder in the corporation, so I could care less. I watch football because I enjoy it, watered down or not. It's a once-a-week 3 hour break from reality, and only something that I'm guaranteed to see 16 times a year. Lousy team or not, I'm going to keep watching until, like Lotus said, aging dementia or death claims me.

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LMAO Smoot always had a mouth

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[quote=RedskinRat;1040552]Try this: If you were a shareholder in a corporation and your management team reported to you that 'things hadn't gone as planned, that they need to go back to the drawing board', not once or twice but repeatedly, at what point would you pull your investments?
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LOL! What do you have invested in the Washington Redskins? Your time spent watching the games? Maybe a couple of bucks thrown to DirecTV for NFL Sunday Ticket? If it's causing that much grief, by all means, you should quit now before it gets worse. SMH! :doh:

Look, as much as I'm a fan of this team and as much as those glory years meant to me as a kid growing up watching this team play - in the end, it's freakin' entertainment for me. I'm a fan. I don't work for the Washington Redskins. I don't know any of the players/coaches personally. My investment of time is very minuscule compared to the hours I spend volunteering, working, spending time with my family, etc... It's how I want to spend my free time. It's OK if you don't want to spend the few hours you do during a small part of the year on the Washington Redskins anymore. If that makes you feel better about yourself. But geez...it's not any investment that's going to make a difference when it's all said and done.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1040503]Yeah but he won those a long time ago with one of the best QB's ever. You think Tom Coughlin and the Giants aren't saying the same thing?

Even though I really don't want to see it, I think Shanahan gets 5 years. To be fair, he should get a offseason with free agency money, and one where RG3 isn't doing rehab.[/quote]

I hope MS gets 5 years, let him spend some of that $$$.

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Ah chara Warpath!

After years of visiting the site and seeing the fantastic craic that’s had, not to mention the many insightful debates that go on, I finally thought I’d take the plunge and post myself.

It sucks that the organisation has seen so many changes for change sake over the years, as it perhaps makes the path forward that bit more difficult to see with real clarity which direction is best.

Had Mike been allowed to spend freely in FA the past 2 off-seasons and the team still be performing as it is now, then the decision to cut him loose would likely be a no-brainer. I for one am swaying towards wanting to see how this team would look if a better calibre of player hand picked by Shanny could be had, but then at the same time, I keep asking has he done enough in the almost 4 full seasons to justify being allowed to return and spend that money in 2014?

Then there’s the suggestions that the game has passed him by etc, and that could be accurate to an extent. It’s no coincidence that folk on here, as well as John Keim (amongst others) have highlighted issues with the line (to name one) being overwhelmed by guys who are stronger, but just as quick, which in turn nulifies the kind of personnel Shanny opts for i.e. undersized but athletic guys. Is this a sign then that his famed scheme which worked so effectively for him in Denver during the 90’s is an old school approach and he’s unable to adjust?

Maybe. I do know though that last season proved that he (and of course Kyle, but we’ll just focus on Snr for now) is still capable of putting together an offense that can go toe to toe with most in the league. Again however, the flip side makes me ask was that simply a combination of momentum and good fortune? I don’t believe so personally. I saw too many good things from too many players (even average ones). So where do the issues lie then?

I guess it’s normal when there seems to be no answers that that’s when most questions arise.

On a side note, one name I haven’t seen on anyone’s lists is Mike Zimmer. Wasn’t he considered someone who was sure to get a HC gig at some point not so long ago? Just curious as personally speaking, if the team were to move on from Mike then I’d like to see a defensive guy take over, albeit with an up and coming young mind as offensive co-ordinator ah-la Phil Montgomery or David Shaw.

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You bring some very reasonable and salient points to the table SP. Glad you decided to speak your mind on the board. By seasons end hopefully the picture of what we "should" will become clearer, right?
WELCOME to the WP
and..............HTTR!

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Cheers Hog1!

I've only been following the team/game since '08 admittedly but through the conversations had here I've gotten a sense of just how disappointing things have been for 'Skins fans for too long.

A team with such a rich history and great fanbase as this deserves better and like yourself and everyone else, I can only hope the positives from last season were the first building block towards achieving something special rather than another "what if".

HTTR!

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[quote=Starry Plough;1040681]Cheers Hog1!

I've only been following the team/game since '08 admittedly but through the conversations had here I've gotten a sense of just how disappointing things have been for 'Skins fans for too long.

A team with such a rich history and great fanbase as this deserves better and like yourself and everyone else, I can only hope the positives from last season were the first building block towards achieving something special rather than another "what if".

HTTR![/quote]

Welcome! Excellent opening posts. Only a fan since 2008? Well, at least we know your not here for the bandwagon.

By all accounts, MS changed the culture around Redskin Park from the zoo it was under Cerrato. No small accomplishment and something I think too many discount. At the same time, this is a production based business. Regardless of adversity, MS needs to win. If he rips off another win streak, he will get his 5th year (and extension) but, regardless of cap penalties, a third losing record in 4 years should be the end game.

Hopefully, if transition comes, it will not be another descent into chaos.

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[quote=Starry Plough;1040662]Had Mike been allowed to spend freely in FA the past 2 off-seasons and the team still be performing as it is now, then the decision to cut him loose would likely be a no-brainer. I for one am swaying towards wanting to see how this team would look if a better calibre of player hand picked by Shanny could be had, but then at the same time, I keep asking has he done enough in the almost 4 full seasons to justify being allowed to return and spend that money in 2014?[/quote]

Welcome to the debate, SP!

I think that what you posted above is pretty much the heart of the matter. How much was the program set back by the $36M cap penalty? I tend to side with you in leaning toward another year for Shanny. I want to find out what he can do by adding a strong FA group and another draft class prior to next season. Honestly, I'm just not emotionally prepared to start over again.

Of course, there are other concerns besides player personnel that I would hope to see addressed in the off-season but upgrading the roster is paramount, IMO.

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Sure to be an unpopular opinion but worth the debate

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/mike-shanahans-contract-should-be-extended-to-provide-stability-to-washington-redskins/2013/11/12/fa11b9b6-4bd5-11e3-be6b-d3d28122e6d4_story.html]Mike Shanahan’s contract should be extended to provide stability to Washington Redskins - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1040685]Welcome! Excellent opening posts. Only a fan since 2008? Well, at least we know your not here for the bandwagon.

By all accounts, MS changed the culture around Redskin Park from the zoo it was under Cerrato. No small accomplishment and something I think too many discount. At the same time, this is a production based business. Regardless of adversity, MS needs to win. If he rips off another win streak, he will get his 5th year (and extension) but, regardless of cap penalties, a third losing record in 4 years should be the end game.

Hopefully, if transition comes, it will not be another descent into chaos.[/quote]

Yup, still very much a newbie admittedly lol. The games popularity on these shores has only really gathered momentum from around 2010 but even I’m amazed by how much it’s taken off what with the coverage on a host of channels and of course the Wembley games. If I could liken it to anything it’d be the scene in Fight Club when Ed Norton starts realising the subtle signs that more and more colleagues etc are “involved” lol.

I actually remember December ’09 returning from a work lunch and the news had just broke that Vinny was done! Again, I’d relied on so much background on the team from this site and it was evident just how jubilant everyone was that Snyder had finally acknowledged what a big part of the problem was and made efforts to eliminate it. At that time Mike coming on board was the worst kept secret and I absolutely credit the man for the changes he has made. I’d also like to see him finish the job but as you say, he’s not giving himself much of a chance right now and each passing game becomes even more significant as to what is going to happen next season as much as this.

I do believe if there are wholesale changes on the horizon though, that enough of a stable foundation has been laid by Mike. In particular his bringing predominately positive locker room characters in, which would hopefully ensure the environment is a more manageable one for the next guy if that’s the case.