Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=SBXVII;1048789]Ok, so I guess the coaches mind set is "hey, if I bench the 90% healthy starting QB with 3 meaningless games left and claim I'm protecting him then some other team will look at that as being brilliant and hire me." ? That does not make sense since most here seem to think its a dumb idiot move.

I think MS and KS would have gotten picked up somewhere else no matter what. I mean look at Marty Schottenheimer and his son. Marty moved to several teams but kept getting picked up. His son is with the Rams right now but didn't coach well with the Jets his final year.

I think owners are smart enough to know that its not just about putting together a great coaching staff but also having great players who buy into the system. If any one of the three are bad (coaching, system, or players) then no play offs, no SB. But sometimes its a crap shoot. A very expensive crap shoot putting together the right mix.[/quote]

No, I think Kyle and Mike can say it was Snyder and RG3's fault for our failures, not ours. I believe that is their end game. Mike might not coach again and I think people around the league are starting to like Kyle less and less. But I agree coaches get a lot of chances they do not deserve... Like Mike Shanahan in Washington.

Well Shanahan was in control of coaching, the system, and having the final decision on players (even more than Allen from what I read). So I guess Snyder trusted the wrong guy in order to fix all three of the problems that Washington has had the past 20 years.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1048752]One track mind obsessed with Obama. i said Tebow and he said Obama??? WTH?[/quote]

I'm sorry it appeared you were making a wise crack about the people making negative comments about RG3 must be Tebow lovers and are "going hard against RG3."

Seemed like a negative dig to me referring to all who didn't have 100% positive things to say about RG3. My bad. I didn't know you did not mean to use that statement in that context. Thus my comment about how people who don't like hearing negative things about Obama quickly use the "your a racist" comment.

Again I apologize for mis reading you. ;)

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[quote=donofriose;1048791]I heard if they remove the entire coaching staff it would cost around 20 million dollars. Not sure of the exact number though.

Mike had the final say on personnel decisions so if he didn't want RG3, he should have said no. It is irrelevant if Snyder was pushing for him or not. Shanahan was in control, not Snyder.[/quote]

So imagine 20 mill and then paying a whole new group to coach this team. As long as it's not my money ... I'm all for it, but I'd bet DS would raise the ticket prices yet again to off set it.

I thought decisions were made by all 3, DS-Allen-MS. but even so if your boss comes to you and say hey I want this guy... do you tell him no when he's paying your salary? or do you get his guy and still go out and pick the QB you think is better?

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[quote=SBXVII;1048796]So imagine 20 mill and then paying a whole new group to coach this team. As long as it's not my money ... I'm all for it, but I'd bet DS would raise the ticket prices yet again to off set it.

I thought decisions were made by all 3, DS-Allen-MS. but even so if your boss comes to you and say hey I want this guy... do you tell him no when he's paying your salary? or do you get his guy and still go out and pick the QB you think is better?[/quote]

Snyder isn't going to raise ticket prices for the coaching staff. Tickets are more about supply and demand than how much you pay for coaches. He saw the stadium last weekend, the lack of demand will be more of a problem than paying a new coaching staff.

From what I read and heard Mike had the final decision. Similar to Carroll in Seattle, or Jimmy Johnson of the Cowboys when they were a dynasty. It isn't a coincidence that ever since Jerry Jones has had the final decision the Cowboys have been mediocre. Snyder, I'm sure approached him about RG3, but Mike came in telling Snyder that he will have complete control, told Snyder who the GM will be, and Snyder still paid him.

Honestly, if my salary was guaranteed, like Mike's is, I would make the decisions I thought would be best for the team. If snyder fired him he would still get paid so why would he care. He could probably get a job at another place because he would have evidence of Snyder trying to do too much. Then the entire Redskins would nation would hate Snyder even more.

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[quote=Mattyk;1048731]If you have to clarify why you're not a racist... you're probably a racist. lol[/quote]

Boom

[QUOTE=HailGreen28;1048706]In answer to your question: I've said, and still think, Cousins should have started until RG3 was healthy. I understand as long as we could make a run like last season, we wanted RG3 to play and hoped he'd do well. He hasn't done bad, it's just obvious he's not at 100%. I'm undecided on whether it would be better for him now to get more live reps, or not risk further injury this season.

So answer me this question, punch: Why is there all this weird lunchroom banter (about Shanny's motives) dominating the board discussion now, and not back at the weeks one through 6?[/QUOTE]

Ummmm......because Griff wasnt deactivated/benched than?

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=SBXVII;1048795]I'm sorry it appeared you were making a wise crack about the people making negative comments about RG3 must be Tebow lovers and are "going hard against RG3."

Seemed like a negative dig to me referring to all who didn't have 100% positive things to say about RG3. My bad. I didn't know you did not mean to use that statement in that context. Thus my comment about how people who don't like hearing negative things about Obama quickly use the "your a racist" comment.

Again I apologize for mis reading you. ;)[/quote]

The same people I argue with on NFl.com about Tebow are now going after RG3 hard. That is why I said that. They hated RG3 attention and awards he received last year because it over shadowed Tebow's demise.

[QUOTE=HailGreen28;1048728]Yeah, I'm just looking at the poll numbers. And there's been some good discussion here. And RG3 hasn't been bad, just not the superman we saw last season.

I take your word Shanny's a bastard. So could he have played RG3 to start the season just to try getting back to the playoffs, and now that the season's over there's no reason to? That's what benching him once we're mathematically eliminated says to me.[/QUOTE]

But we were eliminated after the Giants game. He played him in the Chiefs game and when this all started is when he benched him.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1048808]The same people I argue with on NFl.com about Tebow are now going after RG3 hard. That is why I said that. They hated RG3 attention and awards he received last year because it over shadowed Tebow's demise.[/quote]

Then I do sincerely apologize. I happen to always root for the underdog. My two QB picks from the drafts were Weeden and Dalton. Not saying I know what I'm doing just that I liked them over the rest. Many of my friends were Tannehill fans. But then the RG3 wave hit and honestly I was not 100% on board with him nor Luck. I too didn't like all the attention he was getting. and because of that I'm excited to see Cousins finally getting his chance. He may do poorly but I know it rubs the RG3 fanatics the wrong way :)

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[quote=punch it in;1048811]But we were eliminated after the Giants game. He played him in the Chiefs game and when this all started is when he benched him.[/quote]

Which is why it makes me wonder if MS saw how really bad the field was on Sun and changed his mind or if it came from above (DS) to bench RG3 to keep him from getting injured.

What we know is the team has only done well 1 year out of 4, DS was pissed after the last game and met with Allen, if not the same meeting then a seperate meeting came to pass over RG3 and ... I'm guessing more but we just don't know about it cause MS does not want to talk about what he and DS discussed or their relationship. I will say though that if the relationship was good I'm betting MS would have come out and said "we have a great relationship." If they don't most likely he won't say either way.

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[quote=SBXVII;1048813]Which is why it makes me wonder if MS saw how really bad the field was on Sun and changed his mind or if it came from above (DS) to bench RG3 to keep him from getting injured. [/quote]



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^ really all you can do at this point. Lol

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[quote=punch it in;1048806]Ummmm......because Griff wasnt deactivated/benched than?[/quote]So people really are happy RG3's being benched now? My impression was that a lot of people here (even those grudgingly saying it was the right thing) were upset RG3 was benched. Because of "motives", and based on what Mattyk said I believe Shanny's being a ****, it's just at the point where Shanny can do nothing right (Play RG3: continue to get roasted for getting RG3 killed. Bench RG3: it's "why didn't he bench him before?").

[quote=punch it in;1048811]But we were eliminated after the Giants game. He played him in the Chiefs game and when this all started is when he benched him.[/quote]OK, you're right about being eliminated after the Giants game. Still, why all the fuss now if benching RG3 is what people wanted? I wanted to start Cousins on game one, I got over it. Worst I'd say now is "about time", but RG3 really hasn't played that bad. He's not running like his best, but the missed reads and throws look more like rust than injuries to me. (OK, game one I thought the bad throws were him not able to plant his right leg back before throwing but not now)

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Maybe we get the 1st pick in the second round which is like a lower 1st round pick. Trade Cousin for a second round pick. all our other picks are at teh top of the round. Boom draft salvaged.

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all the drama, speculation and conspiracy theories aside .. i dont think it is really all that bad.

- rg3 will get a full offseason
- FO will have money to spend in offseason
- We dont have any "bad" contracts on next years roster (no portis or AH)
- we have a franchise QB and LT (ill wait and see how morris looks in a new scheme)
- RG3 has weapons in garcon and reed
- all the coaches will get canned, building in a scapegoat to blame all the problems on and help everyone feel like it is a true fresh start = new air and atmosphere

we just need to finish this out with no serious injuries. ego and emotions aside.