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Essentially when the teams create a draft board, they target positions of need and/or of greatest impact first. If you've played Fantasy Football, it's similiar to your draft strategy in that.

Re: 34th Overall Pick
 

[quote=warriorzpath;1070498]I understand protecting RGIII, but it can only go so far at the expense of your team as a whole. There's a big disparity between the talent level on offense and defense right now. I know it's not a popular opinion (going against upgrading both sides of the lines), but it's a greater upgrade for the team as a whole if the Redskins upgrade secondary versus any other position or part of the team. Neglecting a major need in the secondary year after year to create a stout offensive line - doesn't make sense to me. It's just really unbalanced. And it also indirectly creates undue pressure on RGIII and the Redskins offense by needing to consistently score more points than a weak defense is giving them up.

RGIII will need to adapt to the weak link at the offensive line in Polumbus. And by all accounts by the current and past regimes, the coaches don't feel he's that bad. The Redskins also can't operate like RGIII is as fragile as a china doll.

At least last season's weak link was upgraded with the addition and shuffle at the center and guard positions.[/quote]

Umm. Were you alive last year? We drafted amerson, Rambo and Thomas. How'd that turn out? The redskins need large men who can play. Lots of them. A team with a pass rush can get away with smoke and mirrors in the secondary. A team with an OL can protect a lead, get away with average QB play, and make up for a whole host of other problems. Build this team at the point of attack, we've got enough to make hay outside of that. It'll take a couple years. OL, DL, LB and TE are the areas I'd key in on for this years team. If a nice player at another position falls to us by all means take him. We need football players, just focus on the big ones if given the option.

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[quote=TenandSix:Unacceptable;1070520]Umm. Were you alive last year? We drafted amerson, Rambo and Thomas. How'd that turn out? The redskins need large men who can play. Lots of them. A team with a pass rush can get away with smoke and mirrors in the secondary. A team with an OL can protect a lead, get away with average QB play, and make up for a whole host of other problems. Build this team at the point of attack, we've got enough to make hay outside of that. It'll take a couple years. OL, DL, LB and TE are the areas I'd key in on for this years team. If a nice player at another position falls to us by all means take him. We need football players, just focus on the big ones if given the option.[/quote]

Neglect was the wrong word to use - should have said: failed to solve the secondary issues.

It didn't work out because Amerson, Rambo, and Thomas didn't produce for the team. Look at all the great defenses (and as a result great teams) in the league, at the very least their secondaries were solid. The Redskins - not so much. There are question marks everywhere.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1070528]Neglect was the wrong word to use - should have said: failed to solve the secondary issues.

It didn't work out because Amerson, Rambo, and Thomas didn't produce for the team. Look at all the great defenses (and as a result great teams) in the league, at the very least their secondaries were solid. The Redskins - not so much. There are question marks everywhere.[/quote]

Sherman from the Seahawks was drafted in 2011. He made his mark last year. Maybe a little in 2012.

Can we please give the guys we drafted last year at least 1 year's grace before we throw them out into the muddy river of NFL wannabees?

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[quote=warriorzpath;1070528]Neglect was the wrong word to use - should have said: failed to solve the secondary issues.

It didn't work out because Amerson, Rambo, and Thomas didn't produce for the team. Look at all the great defenses (and as a result great teams) in the league, at the very least their secondaries were solid. The Redskins - not so much. There are question marks everywhere.[/quote]

[I]Rambo didnt produce.[/I]

Thomas was injured.
Amerson looks like a CB starter this year.

And they were r o o k i e s...................

*insert huge roll eyes icon here*

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[quote=warriorzpath;1070528]Neglect was the wrong word to use - should have said: failed to solve the secondary issues.

It didn't work out because Amerson, Rambo, and Thomas didn't produce for the team. Look at all the great defenses (and as a result great teams) in the league, at the very least their secondaries were solid. The Redskins - not so much. There are question marks everywhere.[/quote]

Guess what? It takes a couple of years for draft pick strapped teams bereft of quality depth to plug all the holes. I'd build around QB, Coaching, point of attack then everything else. We got a new coach, a QB with unlimited potential, and hodge podge up front. We've got Orakpo, Kerrigan and Trent Williams in the trenches. Now you can add Hatcher. Everyone else is solid or worse. That's not enough horses to win the war of attrition of an NFL football season. Think of it like a foundation of a house. You build that before you start painting the walls. The other parts of the team are unimportant until you can beat teams up front. That's why I'd build big and then plug in other players later. I learned my lesson after wanting Laron Landry.

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[quote=TenandSix:Unacceptable;1070520]Umm. Were you alive last year? We drafted amerson, Rambo and Thomas. How'd that turn out?...[/quote]

We got a new starting CB and a possible starting SS, and Rambo in all likelihood will be better this season. So I wouldn't say it turned out bad, but we still need secondary help; to the tune of a starting FS, slot corner, another outside corner to develop, and more all-around secondary depth. And even if all these DBs we drafted last year were starters, they wouldn't have turned our season around; just like if we had drafted 3 trench guys, they wouldn't have turned our season around. Your point about how a good pass rush can make up for a bad secondary is somewhat true; and I say somewhat because a good secondary is also quite important in today's NFL.

This team has deficiences all around. We can't draft trenches just because that's the correct way to build a team. We need to take BPA, and use FA to build depth so that we can use BPA strategy.

[QUOTE=los panda;1070499]where are we posting our mocks?[/QUOTE]


I saw a bunch in the 2014 draft prospects thread. You have one hour. Lol

Re: 34th Overall Pick
 

[quote=SirLK26;1070537]We got a new starting CB and a possible starting SS, and Rambo in all likelihood will be better this season. So I wouldn't say it turned out bad, but we still need secondary help; to the tune of a starting FS, slot corner, another outside corner to develop, and more all-around secondary depth. And even if all these DBs we drafted last year were starters, they wouldn't have turned our season around; just like if we had drafted 3 trench guys, they wouldn't have turned our season around. Your point about how a good pass rush can make up for a bad secondary is somewhat true; and I say somewhat because a good secondary is also quite important in today's NFL.

This team has deficiences all around. We can't draft trenches just because that's the correct way to build a team. We need to take BPA, and use FA to build depth so that we can use BPA strategy.[/quote]

This team has failed to draft enough OL and DL repeatedly in the first two rounds. Reverse the trend the team will benefit. We are an injury or two from having the worst LB's in the league too. Draft more of them and draft them higher in the draft. Most will bust you need to take repeated shots at it. I'd love better DB's. We can't fix both issues this draft I'd concentrate on bigs unless someone I truly coveted was available at another area.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1070530]Sherman from the Seahawks was drafted in 2011. He made his mark last year. Maybe a little in 2012.

Can we please give the guys we drafted last year at least 1 year's grace before we throw them out into the muddy river of NFL wannabees?[/quote]


Sherman - Maybe a little in 2012? In 2012 is when he broke through.

I'm hoping Amerson and Thomas prove me wrong and I would be happy, but they didn't show much except flashes here and there.

Rambo's start was so low, I'm surprised he hasn't been cut a long time ago. I would be pleasantly surprised if he wasn't cut before the start of regular season because that would mean that he was playing 100 times better.

Drafting Verrett or Bucannon would be a major upgrade over all 3 players now - even after their rookie season. There's no arguing at the very least that Bucannon is an upgrade over Thomas and Rambo. Thomas might have done well, but there was no telling that for sure before he got hurt. And now he's coming off an injury.

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... I'm telling you- there are major question marks still in the secondary. At every spot.

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... Amerson and Thomas are still in the "potential" zone.

[QUOTE=warriorzpath;1070550]... I'm telling you- there are major question marks still in the secondary. At every spot.[/QUOTE]


Of course there are, but Amerson, Rambo, and Thomas might still pan out.

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[quote=punch it in;1070552]Of course there are, but Amerson, Rambo, and Thomas might still pan out.[/quote]

It reminds me of before last season, when everyone on here - kept telling me: Just let Rambo start while he learns. He wasn't even ready to get on the field last year. My point/question is- how long do you wait until you try doing something? how long is long enough? Because if you don't try to address some of those issues now in the draft, it's a long wait until next off season. And who knows if the players available in next year's draft will be as good as Verrett or Bucannon.

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And like with Rambo starting last season - I just don't understand why you guys don't see the same thing. I was arguing with 20 different people on here (with Rambo), like I am now.