Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

Our cap situation is ideal, I don't see KC being a problem when it comes to contract time.

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[quote=over the mountain;1128858]Guys, Kirk is not getting a RW contract. Skinzwin has been debbie downer on Cousins throughout this thread and is now just throwing something out there without any basis ..

I assume with Scot and Bruce, he will get paid but not over paid. He will get paid his worth. He still has 7 or so more games to add or decease his worth.

having to extend your starting QB is a good problem to have.

laissez les bon temp roulez[/quote]

If calling him average is being a debbie downer, then sure. Remember the whole Some great games... some good games... some bad games... You are claiming him as the next great QB, why say the next great QB is worth nothing?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1128842]Okay, to be clear, I am liking KC a lot more than a month ago. He has had three solid games without a clunker (so expect a 4 INT day against the Panthers ;) ).

However, when it comes to contracts, to start saying he will - or should - get a Russell Wilson or Cam Newton contract is ridiculous. RW has a Superbowl ring. Cam had been a four year starter. KC has been neither of those. He is a guy who may be on the verge of being a very good QB. He still has the season to go.

If he continues to play like he has in these last three games over the rest of the season, he will get a solid, short term contract (three years real terms - maybe two). It would be ludicrous to sign him to a budget busting contract based on less than one year of consistent good play as a starter. His big contract will be his [I]next[/I] contract if he continues to play with consistency.

He will be a tough sign but I am pretty sure, if he performs well, he gets resigned for a nice but not brutal contract.[/quote]

QBs are overpaid in this league nowadays. But I agree, I don't think Cousins contract should come anywhere near what Cam or Wilson got. I really don't think the Skins should have a problem being able to sign him to a long term.

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Me thinks Skinzman is wrong. The teams that are desperate for a QB' and would over pay are terrible. KC is just now tasting a little bit of success on a young team that is on the up turn. With a coach and GM that are starting look good as well. He would be committing career suicide to leave a decent team team for desperate shitty team. For money? Winning cures everything.....including getting paid. Ask Wilson.
Plus learning a new system with a new coach on a struggling team is not a good choice.

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After a game like yesterday it is hard to attempt to temper the enthusiasm/mood, but what I found interesting was that a lot of the plays that most other weeks yielded little to nothing, suddenly worked for huge gains and TDs.

The Saints defense is not just bad, it is downright awful. When was the last time our offense was successfully executing screen passes, let alone executing a 70+ TD screen pass. Now with that said, Cousins and the offense still get ultimate credit for pouncing on a lesser defense and putting them through the ringer. It was impressive regardless. In year's past I could have totally seen this game being a 24-14 win rather than the absolute drubbing we handed them.

But I think when you look at the offense itself the biggest difference yesterday was that plays that normally didn't yield much, produced a ton. Was it more an execution issue? Or was it a horrible defense? Probably a bit of both.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/21500/redskins-qb-kirk-cousins-spectacular-day-occurred-by-doing-the-ordinary]Redskins QB Kirk Cousins' spectacular day occurred by doing the ordinary - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

[QUOTE]ANDOVER, Md. -- Nothing fancy occurred. No jaw-dropping throws or big-time runs or plays that will make highlight reels. That’s not what the Washington Redskins needed anyway. Ever since training camp opened the Redskins’ coaches wanted one thing from the quarterback: Get the ball to guys who can make plays.

They didn’t need the spectacular. They just needed the ordinary. So that’s what Kirk Cousins delivered and it led to one thing that was eye-opening: His statistics. Cousins completed 20-of-25 passes for 324 yards, four touchdowns and no interceptions in Washington’s 47-14 win over New Orleans Sunday.[/QUOTE]

I think the article makes a valid point. Against that Saints defense the ordinary was way more than enough. Short passes into the hands of the play makers is all it took. The Saints did little to nothing to force our offense to alter their plan. I don't think that is going to happen most weeks.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

We knew going into the game that the Saints defense is incredibad.

Doing well against them was the expectation.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1128870]QBs are overpaid in this league nowadays. But I agree, I don't think Cousins contract should come anywhere near what Cam or Wilson got. I really don't think the Skins should have a problem being able to sign him to a long term.[/quote]


Ryan Tannehill got 4 years $77 million. Kirk is not going to be cheap. And does he want to stay in Washington ?

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[quote=Irrefutable;1128879]Ryan Tannehill got 4 years $77 million. Kirk is not going to be cheap. And does he want to stay in Washington ?[/quote]

Only 2 places I could see as a "threat" to leave to would be the Saints or the Broncos where both QB would be retiring. Maybe the Jets?

Why wouldn't want to stay in the place that drafted him and gave him a chance to be "the guy"? Remember, nobody really tried to trade for him.

McC has been in Cousins corner and its his call.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1128879]Ryan Tannehill got 4 years $77 million. Kirk is not going to be cheap. And does he want to stay in Washington ?[/quote]

Yes he'll stay in Washington.
He loves it there.
He wont be greedy, his contract will work for him and Washington.
Cousins is an easy going church boy.

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[quote=30gut;1128878]We knew going into the game that the Saints defense is incredibad.

Doing well against them was the expectation.[/quote]

Yeah, Kirk simply met expectations against NO. Is that right?

So Kirk having a [U]perfect[/U] QB rating against the Saints wasn't anything special to you?

You and others here just can't stand to give him the credit he deserves when he plays well. Every time he plays well you have some bullshit reason why it doesn't really count. I can hardly wait to see what you come up with to damn him with faint praise when he wins the NFC Player of the Week award for the second time this season for his play versus the Saints.

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Another thing to consider though is Gruden's offense fits Cousins skillset well. While I could see more downfield passing added in once we end up replacing Jackson with another deep threat or find a way to get a stud WR in here, the WCO itself is not based on a deep vertical passing game. Some coordinators have modified it in the past like the way Andy Reid ran it in Philly with McNabb.

There is a chance Kirk gets signed to another team, asking him to run a different offense and he fails or regresses.

Honestly right now if you asked me, I'd assume that Cousins & Gruden's fates are sort of tied together for the time being. They either stay or go together.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1128887]Yeah, Kirk simply met expectations against NO. Is that right?

So Kirk having a [U]perfect[/U] QB rating against the Saints wasn't anything special to you?

You and others here just can't stand to give him the credit he deserves when he plays well. Every time he plays well you have some bullshit reason why it doesn't really count. I can hardly wait to see what you come up with to damn him with faint praise when he wins the NFC Player of the Week award for the second time this season for his play versus the Saints.[/quote]

I can't speak for others, but that wasn't in any way the point I was trying to make. Kirk had a tremendous game. In no way did he simply do "what was expected" in my eyes. He balled out big time and was a general on the field yesterday.

My only point I was trying to make was that the offense itself as far as the style and plays we ran looked familiar, it was pretty par for the course as far as the play-calling itself. The team just happened to execute a hell of a lot better than usual, and for the entire game.

Furthermore when they go back up against a better defense (this coming up game vs. Carolina for example) that could go back to stopping or at least minimizing a lot of the stuff that seemed to work so easily and flawlessly against New Orleans, then I think it will be fair to bring up a lot of the questions previously asked about Cousins and the offense itself.

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Kirk struggled earlier in the season which I mainly attribute to his old man being diagnosed with cancer, that can be a major distraction to any human being.

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[quote=NoCalHail;1128889]I can't speak for others, but that wasn't in any way the point I was trying to make. Kirk had a tremendous game. In no way did he simply do "what was expected" in my eyes. He balled out big time and was a general on the field yesterday.

My only point I was trying to make was that the offense itself as far as the style and plays we ran looked familiar, it was pretty par for the course as far as the play-calling itself. The team just happened to execute a hell of a lot better than usual, and for the entire game.

Furthermore when they go back up against a better defense (this coming up game vs. Carolina for example) that could go back to stopping or at least minimizing a lot of the stuff that seemed to work so easily and flawlessly against New Orleans, then I think it will be fair to bring up a lot of the questions previously asked about Cousins and the offense itself.[/quote]

On a week where Peyton Manning was terrible. Where A. Rodgers lost to 2-7 Detroit. Where Drew Brees only managed 14 points against an average defense. Where Tom Brady barely beat a terrible Giants secondary. You expect KC to be perfect every game against great defenses? If the best QB's can not win against below average defenses, but yet YOU require KC to beat the best, I think you are not being realistic. Not sure what world you live in?

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I think it's fair to temper Kirk's week with recognition that the Saints defense was truly inept. It's also reasonable to say that he still had a perfect QBR. That's a special feat in the NFL. I am optimistically looking towards the next 7 games, but the next two weeks will go a long way to determining KC's fate.

IF our offense can be productive against Carolina, and he doesn't throw all his make up INT's against the NYG, then he should be given an extension, or new contract (I know where they can get 16M with a stroke of a pen ;) ). No need to get into a FA frenzy if he shows he is the guy.

That said, I absolutely trust the Skins right now when it comes to making solid contracts for the guys that they want to keep. If he is the Skins' guy for the next 3 years, they will lock him up properly.