Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

FYI

Penn said he spoke to Trent before he signed.

And Penn said he wanted to go to a team where he would start.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1225945]I really don't see it that way. The Redskins hold his rights and can still just sit back and do nothing. When he starts missing hefty game checks then I'll believe it's a fractured relationship. Until then everything is just a bunch of rumors.

As for the Pats, I hope we don't trade with them. We already know who'll get the short end of the stick. Bruce Allen should never ever ever be in charge of any trades, ever.[/quote]

If the team does nothing his trade value will only continue to diminish. Best to trade him now. We saw with Cousins what jerking around does.

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[quote=MTK;1225974]If the team does nothing his trade value will only continue to diminish. Best to trade him now. We saw with Cousins what jerking around does.[/quote]

Agreed... if they know he really doesn't want to be here and it's not only about the money. But I do hope they know more than we do, so if money can bring him back, add on a few bucks and keep your best player !

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[quote=MTK;1225974]If the team does nothing his trade value will only continue to diminish. Best to trade him now. We saw with Cousins what jerking around does.[/quote]

Problem is, what are the skins getting in return? They won't just dump him for a 3rd rd pick.

I would call Minnesota who needs a LT bad and say Diggs for Trent straight up.

Or I would call Cleveland who also needs LT and say Trent for Landry straight up.

If you aren't getting a pro bowl type player in return, keep him.. Eventually he will show up

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1225977]Problem is, what are the skins getting in return? They won't just dump him for a 3rd rd pick.



I would call Minnesota who needs a LT bad and say Diggs for Trent straight up.



Or I would call Cleveland who also needs LT and say Trent for Landry straight up.



If you aren't getting a pro bowl type player in return, keep him.. Eventually he will show up[/QUOTE]This made me think of a Champ/Portis type trade. My question is where does DS allegiance fall, I would think he would consider letting Allen go before Williams unlike Bailey.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1225980]This made me think of a Champ/Portis type trade. My question is where does DS allegiance fall, I would think he would consider letting Allen go before Williams unlike Bailey.

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Yep exactly like that scenario, if this team really lets TW go for a fucking 3rd rd pick or even a 3rd and a 5th, I'd be HIGHLY pissed off. He's a top 3 LT in football which is the 2nd most important position on the field. Penn could be a good 1 year band-aid. Adding Diggs would be my #1 choice, that fixes WR1 for a while.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1225977]Problem is, what are the skins getting in return? They won't just dump him for a 3rd rd pick.

I would call Minnesota who needs a LT bad and say Diggs for Trent straight up.

Or I would call Cleveland who also needs LT and say Trent for Landry straight up.

If you aren't getting a pro bowl type player in return, keep him.. Eventually he will show up[/quote]

Trent's an awesome player but I think expecting Diggs or Landry back in trade is wishful thinking mainly because of relative age. Trent is 31 and has missed games each of the last few years. Landry and Diggs are so much younger and in prime.

If I get an offer for a 1st rounder I'd probably take it, but I'm not sure anybody would actually offer that. I continue to think the best course is stare him down, make him decide in week 1.

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[quote=Schneed10;1225982]Trent's an awesome player but I think expecting Diggs or Landry back in trade is wishful thinking mainly because of relative age. Trent is 31 and has missed games each of the last few years. Landry and Diggs are so much younger and in prime.

If I get an offer for a 1st rounder I'd probably take it, but I'm not sure anybody would actually offer that. I continue to think the best course is stare him down, make him decide in week 1.[/quote]

Same here, just wait it out. He will lose money once games roll around. If his stance is truly "Get rid of the medical staff or else" than I highly doubt he will really sit the entire season. I'm sure he is working out daily as well.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1225983]Same here, just wait it out. He will lose money once games roll around. If his stance is truly "Get rid of the medical staff or else" than I highly doubt he will really sit the entire season. I'm sure he is working out daily as well.[/QUOTE]If the staff he wants gone is anyone other then BA they should already be gone

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[quote=Schneed10;1225982]Trent's an awesome player but I think expecting Diggs or Landry back in trade is wishful thinking mainly because of relative age. Trent is 31 and has missed games each of the last few years. Landry and Diggs are so much younger and in prime.

[B]If I get an offer for a 1st rounder I'd probably take it, but I'm not sure anybody would actually offer that. I continue to think the best course is stare him down, make him decide in week 1[/B].[/quote]

This is where I am

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Reading between the lines a bit...

Penn said he talked with Trent and wanted to go someplace where he had a chance to start. Penn also said that he and Trent talked a bit about the swing role, and Penn said he'd be comfortable doing that if the team needed.

It tells me, from that conversation, that Trent's preference is definitely to get out of Washington but at the same time he knows he can't control it, and that he might be forced to come back week 1 if he's not traded, moving Penn to swing tackle.

I think it's a little window into the way Trent's thinking. The team has more leverage than it first seemed, now that Penn is in house. I think Trent acknowledges that he will play rather than give up $11M in game checks, even though he'd prefer the staff be canned or a trade.

If Bruce stares him down, he'll come back to play for us. But I don't think he'd consider resigning here and you wonder how much of an issue he becomes over the course of the next two years. There is some sense in taking a trade if the offer is good enough.

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[quote=Schneed10;1225986]Reading between the lines a bit...

Penn said he talked with Trent and wanted to go someplace where he had a chance to start. Penn also said that he and Trent talked a bit about the swing role, and Penn said he'd be comfortable doing that if the team needed.

It tells me, from that conversation, that Trent's preference is definitely to get out of Washington but at the same time he knows he can't control it, and that he might be forced to come back week 1 if he's not traded, moving Penn to swing tackle.

I think it's a little window into the way Trent's thinking. The team has more leverage than it first seemed, now that Penn is in house. I think Trent acknowledges that he will play rather than give up $11M in game checks, even though he'd prefer the staff be canned or a trade.

[B]If Bruce stares him down, he'll come back to play for us. But I don't think he'd consider resigning here and you wonder how much of an issue he becomes over the course of the next two years. There is some sense in taking a trade if the offer is good enough.[/quote][/B]

Honestly his contract has 2 years left right? By then he'll be 33-34. Most LTs dont last that long after 34.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Schneed10;1225982]Trent's an awesome player but I think expecting Diggs or Landry back in trade is wishful thinking mainly because of relative age. Trent is 31 and has missed games each of the last few years. Landry and Diggs are so much younger and in prime.

[B]If I get an offer for a 1st rounder I'd probably take it,[/B] but I'm not sure anybody would actually offer that. I continue to think the best course is stare him down, make him decide in week 1.[/quote]

For the reason you mentioned, of age and missing 1/4 of the games the last 3 years I doubt an offer of a 1st would happen. I honestly think you are looking at a second at best. If he was 25 and never missed a start with his ability you could probably get a pair of 1's for him.

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[quote=Schneed10;1225986]
If Bruce stares him down, he'll come back to play for us. But I don't think he'd consider resigning here and you wonder how much of an issue he becomes over the course of the next two years. There is some sense in taking a trade if the offer is good enough.[/quote]

This is a nightmare but the correct approach.

If Bruce wants to hold Trent hostage with this medical staff, Trent will get a second and third opinion on every injury and miss significant game time trying to keep himself healthy for when he is a free agent. If Trent is traded, we free up $23m over the next 2 years that we can use to resign Scherff(If he wants to stay).

Trent at 33 will still be a top 5 LT in the league and probably play for 4-5 additional years. TW is a freak athlete and in great shape for his size. He will be able to play a long time like Jackie Slater and Bruce Mathews.

It's a god damn shame it's come to this.

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Well said jamf. At some point Dan Snyder needs to make Bruce Allen wear the hat for this. Allen has been shrewd at making sure we don't get into cap trouble but he's responsible for alienating Cousins and and he's responsible for this bullshit with Trent.

On one hand I cringe at bringing up Cousins because I prefer to move on, but if you're evaluating the performance of the team president you have to look back at what happened and what could have been, if handled differently.

Allen fails through that lens in so many ways.

Let's see what happens with Trent. Right now I'm so fixated on what the offense will look like in week 1 I can barely think about anything else. At the end of the season when we're 7-9 again I'll break out the torches and pitchforks for Allen.