[QUOTE=HailGreen28;1048866]LOL. I know it seems very unrealistic at this point, but is anyone other than me actually wishing this trainwreck wasn't so bad for the Redskins? (regardless of whether shanny's fired for 3 out of 4 miserable seasons?)[/QUOTE]

No were all very happy with the current state of affairs.
I still believe cap space, new staff, another draft, and a healthy RG-3 can go places. As far as i can see we still will be playin in the god forsaken nfc east next year. Just gotta be in it to win it.

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Sorry guys at being Mr. pessimist as usual, but too many variables here to say if we would get good value for a Cousins trade, and if we should even consider trading Cousins at all. Some of you are banking at RG III getting healthy and all of a sudden getting a great work ethic and suddenly being coachable. Sorry folks, but those attributes are usually present when the players come into the league. Many have said how Shanny might have "Ramseyed" RG III, but Snyder is the one who has wined and dined the kid, and obviously has sided with Robert in the feud with Shanny. Nobody with a brain is going to want to be the HC of the Skins, unless Snyder offers him the moon.

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[quote=punch it in;1048871]No were all very happy with the current state of affairs.
I still believe cap space, new staff, another draft, and a healthy RG-3 can go places. As far as i can see we still will be playin in the god forsaken nfc east next year. Just gotta be in it to win it.[/quote]

The roster is very weak, especially in terms of depth. One more draft isn't going to cover up the deficiencies on the team, even with cap space for FA signings.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;1048870]Nobody is going to give you two picks for a backup, and if they did they would be a mid rounder and a low rounder that probably wouldn't make the squad. You base Cousin's worth on 3 games worth of work from last season, emphasis on last season. Matt Flynn and others have wrecked the market for second string QBs. If a team needs a starter or backup, they can just draft one. Also, what if Cousins bombs in his 3 game stint? His trade value would evaporate immediately. Too many guys in here are banking on something that is far from a sure thing. Also, if Cousins does do very well, are you going to get rid of him and keep Grossman? What if RG III truly is a bust? Then you have no viable QB and another good 3-5 seasons of shitball to watch or bitch about![/quote]

I was never banking on anything. I know in the last few years Allen has gotten decent value for guys.

All I was saying in a nut shell, is great if he does well and oh well there is a fourth round backup On the team who plays like a fourth round backup. Don't generalize me into a category who blindly sees cousins as having some high value.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;1048872]Sorry guys at being Mr. pessimist as usual, but too many variables here to say if we would get good value for a Cousins trade, and if we should even consider trading Cousins at all. Some of you are banking at RG III getting healthy and all of a sudden getting a great work ethic and suddenly being coachable. Sorry folks, but those attributes are usually present when the players come into the league. Many have said how Shanny might have "Ramseyed" RG III, but Snyder is the one who has wined and dined the kid, and obviously has sided with Robert in the feud with Shanny. Nobody with a brain is going to want to be the HC of the Skins, unless Snyder offers him the moon.[/quote]

I doubt that anything you posted above is remotely credible.

1. Cousins has value. Right now, some GM's think he's worth a 2nd Round pick.

2. What person of any credibility has ever said that RGIII has a poor work ethic and isn't coachable?

3. What evidence is there to support a feud between RGIII and Shanny and that Snyder has sided with RGIII in this supposed feud?

4. Plenty of good coaches will want the Redskins job. I think that Snyder has learned to keep his distance for the most part and that the new HC will have sufficient latitude to do his job. He will also have one big $20,000,000 reason to take the job.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;1048872]Sorry guys at being Mr. pessimist as usual, but too many variables here to say if we would get good value for a Cousins trade, and if we should even consider trading Cousins at all. Some of you are banking at RG III getting healthy and all of a sudden getting a great work ethic and suddenly being coachable. Sorry folks, but those attributes are usually present when the players come into the league. Many have said how Shanny might have "Ramseyed" RG III, but Snyder is the one who has wined and dined the kid, and obviously has sided with Robert in the feud with Shanny. Nobody with a brain is going to want to be the HC of the Skins, unless Snyder offers him the moon.[/quote]
Wow....
That is a great deal of information reconciled from....nothing? Conclusions drawn from hyperbole, rhetoric and......bombast.
Very informative....

RG has no work ethic and isn't coachable.

Face palm x infinity.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1048862][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/12/11/cooley-cousins-a-better-pocket-passer-than-rgiii/]Cooley: Cousins a better pocket passer than RGIII[/url]

Don't recall if this was posted, but damn this is brutal. Cooley telling it like it is.[/quote]

The problem in evaluating and making judgement with RG3 on is he a pocket passer is their hasnt been a consistent pocket to throw in all year.

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They probably need to move 75% of their starters to backup positions, 30 plus new players minimum. Can't do that giving it all to a couple free agency show ponys.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;1048872]Sorry guys at being Mr. pessimist as usual, but too many variables here to say if we would get good value for a Cousins trade, and if we should even consider trading Cousins at all. Some of you are banking at RG III getting healthy and all of a sudden getting a great work ethic and suddenly being coachable. Sorry folks, but those attributes are usually present when the players come into the league. Many have said how Shanny might have "Ramseyed" RG III, but Snyder is the one who has wined and dined the kid, and obviously has sided with Robert in the feud with Shanny. Nobody with a brain is going to want to be the HC of the Skins, unless Snyder offers him the moon.[/quote]

Amazing

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So the sentiment i'm seeing here - Have redskins nation gave up on RG3?

I mean it seems factual that he may have some character issues, might have a problem accepting blame and/or taking responsibility, and it seems that he has a tight relationship with team owner.

Are these problems too great to overcome? It seems alot of people are throwing dirt on Griffin right now, and he seems to be doing very little to try and change any one's opinion of him....

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1048900]So the sentiment i'm seeing here - Have redskins nation gave up on RG3?

I mean it seems factual that he may have some character issues, might have a problem accepting blame and/or taking responsibility, and it seems that he has a tight relationship with team owner.

Are these problems too great to overcome? It seems alot of people are throwing dirt on Griffin right now, and he seems to be doing very little to try and change any one's opinion of him....[/quote]

I think you have read a small amount of posts on RG III. Most on this site believe that after a full off season of health he will prove once again why he was the #2 overall pick.

Does everyone forget what we saw all if last year from everyone inside and outside the locker room when it pertains to III?

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1048901[B]]I think you have read a small amount of posts on RG III. Most on this site believe that after a full off season of health he will prove once again why he was the #2 overall pick.

Does everyone forget what we saw all if last year from everyone inside and outside the locker room when it pertains to III?[/B][/quote]

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1048900]So the sentiment i'm seeing here - Have redskins nation gave up on RG3?

I mean it seems factual that he may have some character issues, might have a problem accepting blame and/or taking responsibility, and it seems that he has a tight relationship with team owner.

Are these problems too great to overcome? It seems alot of people are throwing dirt on Griffin right now, and he seems to be doing very little to try and change any one's opinion of him....[/QUOTE]

Nope he's still the answer and will be better than Wilson and luck in 5 yrs

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[quote=GusFrerotte;1048872]Sorry guys at being Mr. pessimist as usual, but too many variables here to say if we would get good value for a Cousins trade, and if we should even consider trading Cousins at all. Some of you are banking at RG III getting healthy and all of a sudden getting a great work ethic and suddenly being coachable. Sorry folks, but those attributes are usually present when the players come into the league. Many have said how Shanny might have "Ramseyed" RG III, but Snyder is the one who has wined and dined the kid, and obviously has sided with Robert in the feud with Shanny. Nobody with a brain is going to want to be the HC of the Skins, unless Snyder offers him the moon.[/quote]



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