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The two situations are not even remotely the same.

Nixon wiretapped for purely personal gain.

Obama (and Bush before him) wiretapped to try to make the country safer. Bad policy, and I'm not defending it. But it is different in intent than Nixon's purely selfish gain.

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[quote=Lotus;1057902]Obama (and Bush before him) wiretapped to try to make the country safer. [/quote]

Don't you have a Sasquatch to litter train?

The wiretapping is about control, not safety.

Now please change your avatar.

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[quote=Lotus;1057902]The two situations are not even remotely the same.

Nixon wiretapped for purely personal gain.

[B][U]Obama (and Bush before him) wiretapped to try to make the country safer. [/U][/B] Bad policy, and I'm not defending it. But it is different in intent than Nixon's purely selfish gain.[/quote]



Only the weak minded believe that shit. This has NEVER been about terrorism because this has been going on long before 9/11. This has always been about economics, politics and power.

[url=http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/12/programs-never-terrorism-theyre-economic-spying-social-control-diplomatic-manipulation-theyre-power.html]"These Programs Were Never About Terrorism: They're About Economic Spying, Social Control, and Diplomatic Manipulation. They're About Power" Washington's Blog[/url]


[quote]dward Snowden wrote yesterday about mass surveillance by the NSA:

These programs were never about terrorism: they’re about economic spying, social control, and diplomatic manipulation. They’re about power.[/quote]


Ever heard of Operation Carnivore?

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_%28software%29]Carnivore (software) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]


This has NEVER EVER EVER been about protecting this country from the bad guys.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1057905]Only the weak minded believe that shit. This has NEVER been about terrorism because this has been going on long before 9/11. This has always been about economics, politics and power.

[url=http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/12/programs-never-terrorism-theyre-economic-spying-social-control-diplomatic-manipulation-theyre-power.html]"These Programs Were Never About Terrorism: They're About Economic Spying, Social Control, and Diplomatic Manipulation. They're About Power" Washington's Blog[/url]





Ever heard of Operation Carnivore?

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_%28software%29]Carnivore (software) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]


This has NEVER EVER EVER been about protecting this country from the bad guys.[/quote]

You totally missed the point. Everything you listed is not about one man's personal gain. Nixon's wiretapping was.

Besides, the power vs. security opposition you make is logically fallacious since a practice can be both.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1057904]Don't you have a Sasquatch to litter train?

The wiretapping is about control, not safety.

Now please change your avatar.

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Your stupid sasquatch comments have no effect on me. I am neither a bigfoot hunter nor a bigfoot believer. I said as much here.

You continue to misconstrue my original comments, which were about scientific method. But since you have argued that science needs no evidence, no one here should be surprised that you continue to not know what science really is.

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[quote=Lotus;1057908]You totally missed the point. Everything you listed is not about one man's personal gain. Nixon's wiretapping was.[/quote]


What they are doing is 1,000,000 times worse. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't blackmailing congressmen either. Didn't Hoover do this exact same shit?

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[quote=NC_Skins;1057910]What they are doing is 1,000,000 times worse. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't blackmailing congressmen either. Didn't Hoover do this exact same shit?[/quote]

I already said it was a bad policy so your argument above is pointless.

You're still missing the point: what Nixon did and what Clinton, Bush, and Obama have done are not remotely the same in terms of context.

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[quote=Lotus;1057908]You totally missed the point. Everything you listed is not about one man's personal gain. Nixon's wiretapping was.[/quote]

Just because your mind can't conceive of a man so bent on changing the standing of the US in the world that this would be his 'gain'.

[quote=Lotus;1057908]Besides, the power vs. security opposition you make is logically fallacious since a practice can be both.[/quote]

It can be both, sure. It's not and for you to say it's both is very telling.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1057912]Just because your mind can't conceive of a man so bent on [B]changing the standing of the US in the world[/B] that this would be his 'gain'.



It can be both, sure. It's not and for you to say it's both is very telling.[/quote]

A) So in your own words, it is not PURELY personal gain. Thank you for making my point for me.

B) The second point was elementary logic, which you obviously don't get, just like you don't understand scientific method.