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[quote=RedskinJake;1119720]It's to RG3's advantage to not be cleared since he gets paid and can't be cut. How hard would it be to slow yourself down a half second to be worse than your baseline tests? My suspicion is that as soon as he sees an offer from the Redskins or someone else that he likes, he'll magically pass with flying colors..[/quote]

And if he never gets cleared to play again he hits the jackpot... Right?

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Hey Robert Gryyphone, can we just tear up your contract and you can go feck off.
kthxbye

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[QUOTE=30gut;1119718]Predetermining reads is factor that shows up in his INT% and his lack of production on 3rd downs and drop backs lasting longer then 2.5s. Jay can help by being more balanced and not putting Kirk in situations where the game is put on his shoulders through the passing game with high volume attempts.[/QUOTE]

I will believe a Jay Gruden committed to ground and pound when I see it.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1119725]I will believe a Jay Gruden committed to ground and pound when I see it.

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How does that relate to his post!?!?! please reply only when appropriate.

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[quote=RedskinJake;1119720]It's to RG3's advantage to not be cleared since he gets paid and can't be cut. How hard would it be to slow yourself down a half second to be worse than your baseline tests? My suspicion is that as soon as he sees an offer from the Redskins or someone else that he likes, he'll magically pass with flying colors..[/quote]

Doctors can see through BS like that. No way to fake MRIs or CT scans either.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1119730]Doctors can see through BS like that. No way to fake MRIs or CT scans either.[/QUOTE]


And Griffin doesn't really strike me as that type. It seems like he badly wants to play football

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[quote=RedskinJake;1119720]It's to RG3's advantage to not be cleared since he gets paid and can't be cut. How hard would it be to slow yourself down a half second to be worse than your baseline tests? My suspicion is that as soon as he sees an offer from the Redskins or someone else that he likes, he'll magically pass with flying colors..[/quote]

Many people have pointed out that RG3 seems like the kind of person who would "find a way' to fail the tests and or otherwise look injured / not well so that he can guarantee his 17 million for next year.

However - it might be that he is actually dealing with brain issues / injury. Someone on here posted a link to an excellent article that detailed every one of RG3's sports injuries since college and the NFL, and he has had 4 concussions since college, counting the one against Detroit. That is a lot, and he is getting close to the number that has had some pro QB's call it quits after a long career. (Aikman had 7 IIRC, Montana 6, Steve Young had 5)

To be RG3 at 25 years old and already had 4 concussions, by the time he is 30 he could have suffered as many as 7 or 8, really putting his long-term health into question..

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1119732]Many people have pointed out that RG3 seems like the kind of person who would "find a way' to fail the tests and or otherwise look injured / not well so that he can guarantee his 17 million for next year.[/quote]What people? Or do you mean people in this thread?

Nothing I've read or heard about Griffin strikes me that he is the type of person to fail the concussion test on purpose. (if that's even possible as Matty suggested it wasn't)

Fletcher, who recently spoke with Griffin said that even though he [Fletcher] would want out Griffin's situation that Griffin wants to stay and win in Washington.

But sure, why not say that Griffin is failing on purpose. It fits in perfectly with this thread.

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[quote=Mattyk;1119730]Doctors can see through BS like that. No way to fake MRIs or CT scans either.[/quote]

From the NCAA..

"Most return-to-play protocols are similar to those in the Consensus Statement on Concussion in Sport guidelines which outline a progressive increase in physical activity [B]if the individual is at baseline before starting the protocol and remains at baseline throughout each step of the protocol[/B]."

The League and it's doctors are going to err on the side of caution. If says he's symptomatic, he won't be cleared. That might get a closer look after a few weeks but in the short term, there's nothing stopping him from doing so. MRIs or CT scans alone would never clear a player from a concussion.

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[quote=30gut;1119733]What people? Or do you mean people in this thread?

Nothing I've read or heard about Griffin strikes me that he is the type of person to fail the concussion test on purpose. (if that's even possible as Matty suggested it wasn't)

Fletcher, who recently spoke with Griffin said that even though he [Fletcher] would want out Griffin's situation that Griffin wants to stay and win in Washington.

But sure, why not say that Griffin is failing on purpose. It fits in perfectly with this thread.[/quote]

If you are facing the end of your career, and a fib is going to put twice your lifetime earnings in the bank, would you at least consider it an option?

I'm not saying it's happening. But I am saying it's plausible.

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[quote=30gut;1119733]What people? Or do you mean people in this thread?

Nothing I've read or heard about Griffin strikes me that he is the type of person to fail the concussion test on purpose. (if that's even possible as Matty suggested it wasn't)

Fletcher, who recently spoke with Griffin said that even though he [Fletcher] would want out Griffin's situation that Griffin wants to stay and win in Washington.

But sure, why not say that Griffin is failing on purpose. It fits in perfectly with this thread.[/quote]

People on the thread.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1119732]Many people have pointed out that RG3 seems like the kind of person who would "find a way' to fail the tests and or otherwise look injured / not well so that he can guarantee his 17 million for next year.

However - it might be that he is actually dealing with brain issues / injury. Someone on here posted a link to an excellent article that detailed every one of RG3's sports injuries since college and the NFL, and he has had 4 concussions since college, counting the one against Detroit. That is a lot, and he is getting close to the number that has had some pro QB's call it quits after a long career. (Aikman had 7 IIRC, Montana 6, Steve Young had 5)

To be RG3 at 25 years old and already had 4 concussions, by the time he is 30 he could have suffered as many as 7 or 8, really putting his long-term health into question..[/quote]

I don't want to downplay concussions and head injuries. I had a head injury myself at 13 that has followed me through my adult life. Having multiple concussions is no joke and is something that truly deserves more understanding by the League and it's members. That said, I have heard of players (college, not pro) purposely doing slightly worse on their initial baseline tests so if they have a concussion they can be cleared quicker to play again.

To your point, I actually think most players have had more concussions than they even realize. Guys like Wes Welker are literally putting their future at risk every time they step on a field.

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[quote=RedskinJake;1119736]From the NCAA..

"Most return-to-play protocols are similar to those in the Consensus Statement on Concussion in Sport guidelines which outline a progressive increase in physical activity [B]if the individual is at baseline before starting the protocol and remains at baseline throughout each step of the protocol[/B]."

The League and it's doctors are going to err on the side of caution. If says he's symptomatic, he won't be cleared. That might get a closer look after a few weeks but in the short term, there's nothing stopping him from doing so. MRIs or CT scans alone would never clear a player from a concussion.[/quote]

I don't think the team is pushing him for it. From their announcements they are only sending him once a week it seems. Portis or Cooley (i don't remember which and they were both on the air together discussing it) said that after one of their concussions, the team was sending him to Pittsburgh daily to clear him.

From the team's perspective I imagine him on Concussion Protocol let's them move forward without anything more than a roster space.

From his perspective, he could probably push for more testing, but he can also let the tests go forward, have limited practices, and maybe get something good going. It is his 3rd concussion, so I wouldn't blame him for not rushing back, even if the competitor in him wants to get back in.

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[quote=RedskinJake;1119742]I don't want to downplay concussions and head injuries. I had a head injury myself at 13 that has followed me through my adult life. Having multiple concussions is no joke and is something that truly deserves more understanding by the League and it's members. That said, I have heard of players (college, not pro) purposely doing slightly worse on their initial baseline tests so if they have a concussion they can be cleared quicker to play again.

To your point, I actually think most players have had more concussions than they even realize. Guys like Wes Welker are literally putting their future at risk every time they step on a field.[/quote]

RG3, love him or hate him, has had 4 "documented" concussions, and to your point he, like any football player has "had his bell rung" plenty more times beyond that. It is at the point where he probably really is risking his future health if he continues to play on while constantly taking shots to the head.

One of my favorite wrestlers growing up with Mick Foley, who has had a lifetime of concussions, to say the least. He is 46 years old now, in the early stages of brain damage, and while still seemingly coherent, his wife has to put his socks on him and help him with other menial tasks. It is a shame because he was still wrestling just a few years ago and "seemed fine".

I have no personal dislike of RG3. Is brain damage really worth it for this young man? What good is all the money in the world if he can't spend it, and his wife has to take care of him, etc....

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[quote=RedskinJake;1119736]From the NCAA..

"Most return-to-play protocols are similar to those in the Consensus Statement on Concussion in Sport guidelines which outline a progressive increase in physical activity [B]if the individual is at baseline before starting the protocol and remains at baseline throughout each step of the protocol[/B]."

The League and it's doctors are going to err on the side of caution. If says he's symptomatic, he won't be cleared. That might get a closer look after a few weeks but in the short term, there's nothing stopping him from doing so. MRIs or CT scans alone would never clear a player from a concussion.[/quote]

Like I said, doctors can see through the BS of someone trying to fix a test, I didn't say a diagnostic test alone would clear someone. But when normal testing doesn't line up with a doctors observation they'll know something is up.