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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;897179][B]we're definitely not in "cap hell" by any stretch of the imagination. however, any way you cut it, we have 18MM less to play with than we would have otherwise had. It definitely affects our plans.[/B] we now have to be less aggressive in free agency AND/OR restructure contracts to push money into future years, which then limits our flexibility in future years.

Further complicating matters is the fact that the Skins, by all appearances, were blindsided by the penalty. whatever plans the skins were working on for the past several months are no longer valid. in a very compressed timeframe, they need to come up with, and execute a "Plan B." Is it doable? yes. But i'd be alot more comfortable if the skins had known about this contingency, and planned for it, months ago.[/quote]

I regretfully agree with your point. I do think they are not that surprised with the ruling. I believe it is more of a case of.....let's do it and see if what they do? If we get the hammered, we'll go to plan "B".
Listening to 980 in DC right now, the thought is they have known about this for some time and making possible plans to combat it if it could not be defeated.......
Still no good info on the future of this deal....Law suit.....Hitman....Jihad...

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;897197]listening to espn 980 now and kevin sheehan is talking to their "business analyst" (andrew brant from espn). He said he checked with his sources who said that [B][I]NONE of the six warnings allegedly received were written.[/I][/B] in addition, they didnt come from the league. they came from [B][I]OTHER OWNERS[/I][/B].

so lets think about this - other owners, who were doing the same thing themselves to a lesser degree, verbally told the skins and cowboys not to do what they did, and now the redskins and cowboys are receiving an [B][U]unprecedented [/U][/B] penalty.

The more that comes out of of the more disgusted i am with what transpired.[/quote]

Ha! Wow! If the other owners can simply just come crying to the league office and office does something like this, what would stop these same cry babies from trying to do worse to these teams? I don't see how law suits can be avoided at this point.

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[quote=Ruhskins;897170]Wouldn't a competitive advantage be if the Redskins and Cowboys had signed big money free agents and fronted all the guaranteed money in that first year...and isn't that what the Bears did with Peppers?[/quote]

I agree with this. It's not like we used the money to bring in a bunch of free agents in 2010. We just pushed future money to the present on the garbage we had already signed previously.

The Bears on the other hand used 2010 to bring in a brand new FA Peppers. They dumped $35M of his money into the uncapped year. Would they have been able to bring in Peppers without the uncapped year? Maybe but definitely not as easily.

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[quote=skinsguy;897210]Ha! Wow! If the other owners can simply just come crying to the league office and office does something like this, what would stop these same cry babies from trying to do worse to these teams? I don't see how law suits can be avoided at this point.[/quote]

even if a lawsuit was pursued and the skins and cowboys won, it wouldnt help us now. we WILL miss out on free agents NOW and that can't be undone. theres simply no point in pursuing litigation, even if it were an option.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/36923/cap-controversy-shows-nfl-at-its-worst]Cap controversy shows NFL at its worst - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

Graziano FTW once again.

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Jerry Jones to Dan Snyder yesterday: "Goodell is a pimp. He never coulda outfought us. But I didn't know until this day that it was the other owners all along."

Yes, it's yet another reference to [I]The Godfather[/I].

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[quote=GreekSkin;897221][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/36923/cap-controversy-shows-nfl-at-its-worst]Cap controversy shows NFL at its worst - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

Graziano FTW once again.[/quote]

Yep. Nice to see mainstream media backing us.

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[quote=Lotus;897102]I see it being overturned or significantly mitigated. You are right: this is not really an issue for the courts or for Goodell. It is an issue for the owner's meetings at the end of the month. The owners can (and I expect will) reduce this to something smaller.[/quote]

Hold on, it could be a court issue for the players union. If the owners say there was an agreement then the owners colluded and the union would have an arguement that the owners were colluding during the lockout. But whats being said is there was an agreement but had the League not permitted the deals then the players union would have been tipped off and no CBA would have been signed and they would have gone to court over collusion.

Instead the League approved the deals in order to keep the peace and get a new CBA signed. They can't go back and now cry fould with out pointing out that they were colluding at the time which gives the NFLPA the right to take the owners to court over collusion during the lockout.

either they were colluding or they were not. If they were not then the Skins and Boys are off the hook. If the Skins and Boys broke an agreement then the owners just proved they were colluding against the NFLPA.

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[quote=Lotus;897105]a) the other owners won't want their labor laundry aired in courts. Therefore a threat of a lawsuit alone might make them cave in.
b) Danny and Jerry aren't going to want to bite the NFL hand that feeds

So, whether there are salient legal issues or not, it is unlikely that this will see a courtroom.[/quote]

Your right it won't see a court room cause the League will not want their laundry aired. But I'm guessing we will have to bite the bullet for now spend what we can. Then handle our draft. Then after the draft file an appeal or law suit against the NFL. I really wish the NFLPA would step up and get involved in this. That alone would make the other Owners back off. I think.

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Everything you say is reasonable in theory, but not applicable when you're dealing with a bully.

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[quote=SBXVII;897232]Hold on, it could be a court issue for the players union. If the owners say there was an agreement then the owners colluded and the union would have an arguement that the owners were colluding during the lockout. But whats being said is there was an agreement but had the League not permitted the deals then the players union would have been tipped off and no CBA would have been signed and they would have gone to court over collusion.

Instead the League approved the deals in order to keep the peace and get a new CBA signed. They can't go back and now cry fould with out pointing out that they were colluding at the time which gives the NFLPA the right to take the owners to court over collusion during the lockout.

either they were colluding or they were not. If they were not then the Skins and Boys are off the hook. If the Skins and Boys broke an agreement then the owners just proved they were colluding against the NFLPA.[/quote]

Well we know the NFLPA won't take the NFL to court over the alleged collusion because the NFL blackmailed them into agreeing on the punishment for the Skins and Cowboys. So if this does go to court (which I believe it won't) it will be the Skins and Cowboys against the NFL. At which point we can pretty much lose all hope that the NFL will cut us any slack for anything over the next 20 years, because that's the standard MO after a team (80's Raiders) sues the league and wins.

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Good read. Should be interesting court battles coming.

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[quote=SBXVII;897235]Your right it won't see a court room cause the League will not want their laundry aired. But I'm guessing we will have to bite the bullet for now spend what we can. Then handle our draft. Then after the draft file an appeal or law suit against the NFL. [B]I really wish the NFLPA would step up and get involved in this. [/B]That alone would make the other Owners back off. I think.[/quote]

Nevermind, mooby said it. The NFLPA has already signed off on the cap thing.

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[quote=GreekSkin;897221][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/36923/cap-controversy-shows-nfl-at-its-worst]Cap controversy shows NFL at its worst - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

Graziano FTW once again.[/quote]spreading that extra cap room out among 28 other teams?

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[quote=Lotus;897242]Nevermind, mooby said it. The NFLPA has already signed off on the cap thing.[/quote]

I got your back. :food-smil