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[quote=Schneed10;1168979]I don't think TE in the first round makes any sense.

Last year, we were already loaded at WR, but two were in the final years of their contract, so it was easy to see how Doctson would get the opportunity to start for the majority of his rookie contract.

But we have Reed under contract for four more seasons, and Davis was just signed for three. So if you pick a stud TE in round one, he either sits in 3rd string for the majority of his rookie deal, or it puts big money on our bench. Just doesn't make any sense.

They won't pick a TE in round one, I'll guarantee you that.[/quote]

Again, Reed has never played a full season. There is no chance OJ Howard sits behind V Davis. They could play a lot of two TEs sets and actually run the ball on third and two.

I guess you would pass on Rob Gronkowski too.

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[quote=punch it in;1168980]We don't need "great" though that would be nice. We need "solid". Our D was atrocious. May not find a hof'er at 17, but certainly a starter. I like your idea and your position picks though. Pretty much covers all our needs. Except I think Brown and Foster could be a great tandem at ILB. Depth never hurts though.[/quote]

You mean this Foster?

[url]https://youtu.be/IPgiyYDKQe8[/url]

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1168981]Again, Reed has never played a full season. There is no chance OJ Howard sits behind V Davis. They could play a lot of two TEs sets and actually run the ball on third and two.



I guess you would pass on Rob Gronkowski too.[/QUOTE]



Team has way too many more pressing holes to fill than tight end. Schneed is correct - no way we take a TE in round 1. If your crystal ball says he is Gronk 2.0 that stays healthy for the next 10-15 years though than let's talk. Lol

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[QUOTE=53Fan;1168982]You mean this Foster?



[url]https://youtu.be/IPgiyYDKQe8[/url][/QUOTE]



Haha. Dude is a beast. Physically has all the tools (though slight injury history), but mentally there are question marks.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1168981]Again, Reed has never played a full season. There is no chance OJ Howard sits behind V Davis. They could play a lot of two TEs sets and actually run the ball on third and two.

I guess you would pass on Rob Gronkowski too.[/quote]

Sorry brother, it just doesn't make sense. Vernon Davis was JUST signed to a deal averaging $5M per season. So that should tell you how much they think of him.

OJ Howard would probably come in and be 2nd string ahead of him, if they drafted him, you're right.

But would you have a $5M player playing as a 3rd stringer? Davis currently has the 12th highest cap hit on the roster.

They're not drafting OJ Howard. Just let it go.

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[quote=Schneed10;1168994]Sorry brother, it just doesn't make sense. Vernon Davis was JUST signed to a deal averaging $5M per season. So that should tell you how much they think of him.

OJ Howard would probably come in and be 2nd string ahead of him, if they drafted him, you're right.

But would you have a $5M player playing as a 3rd stringer? Davis currently has the 12th highest cap hit on the roster.

They're not drafting OJ Howard. Just let it go.[/quote]

It is unlikely OJ Howard will be available. However, they would be foolish to pass on him if he is available. V Davis will be 34 at the end of this season. And there are not many productive TEs that are 35 or 36.

Also, only half of his contract is guaranteed . There is zero chance they pay a 36 year old TE $6+ million.

[url=http://overthecap.com/player/vernon-davis/99]Vernon Davis Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money | Over The Cap[/url]

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[quote=punch it in;1168983]Team has way too many more pressing holes to fill than tight end. Schneed is correct - no way we take a TE in round 1. If your crystal ball says he is Gronk 2.0 that stays healthy for the next 10-15 years though than let's talk. Lol[/quote]

See I totally would say if TE is BPA then you have to take that player. Let's say OJ Howard falls and they think he's BPA. Are you going to pass on him cause you have Reed and old ass Davis?? He potentially could be a better overall TE than Reed. Reed has two things going against him... He can't block my mom and he has serious concussion issues.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1168996]It is unlikely OJ Howard will be available. However, they would be foolish to pass on him if he is available. V Davis will be 34 at the end of this season. And there are not many many productive TEs that are 35 or 36.

Also, only half of his contract is guaranteed . There is zero chance they pay a 36 year old TE $6+ million.

[url=http://overthecap.com/player/vernon-davis/99]Vernon Davis Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money | Over The Cap[/url][/quote]

Ditto....

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1168997]See I totally would say if TE is BPA then you have to take that player. Let's say OJ Howard falls and they think he's BPA. Are you going to pass on him cause you have Reed and old ass Davis?? He potentially could be a better overall TE than Reed. Reed has two things going against him... He can't block my mom and he has serious concussion issues.[/QUOTE]



I definitely agree that Howard would be a better TE for our future than Reed or Davis.
So, no, I am not passing on him because I think Reed or Davis is a better option. Im passing on him because he does not play defense. There will be someone at 17 that can come in and make an immediate impact on the other side of the ball. Someone that grades out high enough that "need" warrants as a better pick than Howard.
If we do not get at least two immediate impact players on defense- again - we are a 7-9 win team. A better D would have, and will, make us a 10-12 win team.

Edit: I think that the final game last year has people thinking our offense needs alot of help. The Giants had a stellar defense last year. Our offense is there. It is, without a doubt, our defense that needs attention. Im all in for 2017 because Im telling you that if KC is gone in 2018 that we are in a world of hurt again. Put a damn Defense on the field that compliments our offense and we can contend immediately. Reed and/or Davis are just fine for 2017. We are coming off two winning seasons- we are actually a "win now" team. But we need a defense.

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i'm looking at our dead cap on overthecap, why does desean jackson count as $1.25m dead cap?

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[QUOTE=los panda;1169002]i'm looking at our dead cap on overthecap, why does desean jackson count as $1.25m dead cap?[/QUOTE]



Paging Schneed, Paging Mr. Schneed.

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[quote=los panda;1169002]i'm looking at our dead cap on overthecap, why does desean jackson count as $1.25m dead cap?[/quote]


Was his signing bonus spread into this year?

[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers/desean-jackson-3690/]DeSean Jackson Contract Details, Salary Cap Breakdowns, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac[/url]

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[quote=mredskins;1169005]Was his signing bonus spread into this year?

[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers/desean-jackson-3690/]DeSean Jackson Contract Details, Salary Cap Breakdowns, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac[/url][/quote]

lol oh yeah, the 4th year that automatically voided.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1168981]Again, Reed has never played a full season. There is no chance OJ Howard sits behind V Davis. They could play a lot of two TEs sets and actually run the ball on third and two.

I guess you would pass on Rob Gronkowski too.[/quote]

My hang up is...I don't think OJ Howard will be a cant miss TE. I think they are some great depth at TE this draft. And OJ Howard doesn't have Reed's or Gronk's hands. He just doesn't.

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[quote=Chico23231;1169008]My hang up is...I don't think OJ Howard will be a cant miss TE. I think they are some great depth at TE this draft. And OJ Howard doesn't have Reed's or Gronk's hands. He just doesn't.[/quote]

And nobody runs routes as well as Reed. But this is an argument that says OJ Howard isn't likely to be your BPA at 17 (and I agree), as opposed to an argument against picking a TE at 17 even if he's BPA.

Refutable thinks the team would make a move with its first rounder that would relegate a $5M player to 3rd string. I mean I don't know what to say.

Moot point. It. Will. Not. Happen.

Moving on.