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[quote=Chico23231;1195626]PAGE: "[Trump's] not ever going to become president, right? Right?!"
STRZOK: "No. No he won't. We'll stop it."

How would the left respond if that name was obama instead of trump. A top FBI official.

Bad day for FBI...looks like Trump used perfect judgement in his firing of Comey.[/quote]

Maybe my bias is leaking, but I don't juxtapose the opinions of two FBI agents to mean everybody who worked on that investigation felt the same way. Do you literally think anybody who works in federal law enforcement doesn't have an opinion about the president? Am I naive enough to think there weren't federal agents who hated working under Obama? It is literally impossible to work for the federal gov't in any capacity without having an opinion on politics.

Cred, I agree. We are just talking here, and nothing is going to change. It's why I've been staying silent more recently. I give credit to Trump for "bringing peace" to Korea, but talk is cheap and given the credibility of those involved I'd hope you would understand why waiting for actual results would be better. But that seems like a moot point to Chico, who seems determined to berate us for not acknowledging Trump's greatness at international diplomacy. Idk, maybe our future involves us being BFF's with Russia and NK, while Canada, Mexico, England, France, and Germany all give us the finger.

I really hope it's worth it to ya'll and the rest of his supporters, because I firmly believe if Trump came out and said all Muslims and Latinos need to be deported and segregated in internment camps regardless of their legal right to be here, his supporters (not necessarily you/Chico) aka the "suppressed" straight white men would firmly back it. And that's the real problem. We're rapidly devolving into libs/socialists against white men who feel marginalized by Obama and would follow Trump into hell and back. Meanwhile Trump loves it, because if there's one thing he loves more than money, it's the sound of his own name.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1195631]Maybe my bias is leaking, but I don't juxtapose the opinions of two FBI agents to mean everybody who worked on that investigation felt the same way. Do you literally think anybody who works in federal law enforcement doesn't have an opinion about the president? Am I naive enough to think there weren't federal agents who hated working under Obama? It is literally impossible to work for the federal gov't in any capacity without having an opinion on politics.

Cred, I agree. We are just talking here, and nothing is going to change. It's why I've been staying silent more recently. I give credit to Trump for "bringing peace" to Korea, but talk is cheap and given the credibility of those involved I'd hope you would understand why waiting for actual results would be better. But that seems like a moot point to Chico, who seems determined to berate us for not acknowledging Trump's greatness at international diplomacy. Idk, maybe our future involves us being BFF's with Russia and NK, while Canada, Mexico, England, France, and Germany all give us the finger.

I really hope it's worth it to ya'll and the rest of his supporters, because I firmly believe if Trump came out and said all Muslims and Latinos need to be deported and segregated in internment camps regardless of their legal right to be here, his supporters (not necessarily you/Chico) aka the "suppressed" straight white men would firmly back it. And that's the real problem. We're rapidly devolving into libs/socialists against white men who feel marginalized by Obama and would follow Trump into hell and back. Meanwhile Trump loves it, because if there's one thing he loves more than money, it's the sound of his own name.[/QUOTE]When a leading investigator says "we will stop [a candidate from becoming president]" and that person becomes a point man on an investigation of said candidate. That should be a problem for all citizens.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1195623]Mostly going to a realpolitik outlook, Stalin was a murderous dictator who we did in fact take on as an ally, against another murderous lunatic.



The real world doesn't really let us get to always go with the "right" answer and if playing to rocketman's ego gets us moving toward a place where they are working with us, and we can gain influence then c'est la guerre.



I think salute was a mistake, like obama's bow, and liberals ought to make just as much of an bruhaha over it as the conservatives made when Obama bowed.



But mostly, I really am just tired of the crazy hatred/ insane defending of all the political asses out there. HRC Trump Pelosi Ryan they all sit up with millions of dollars doing their damndest to screw one side or the other, while people making barely enough get screwed by which ever side can do it the easiest.



blah maybe need to take a break from this place for a while.[/QUOTE]



Ill drink to this.....

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[quote=mooby;1195631]Maybe my bias is leaking, but I don't juxtapose the opinions of two FBI agents to mean everybody who worked on that investigation felt the same way. Do you literally think anybody who works in federal law enforcement doesn't have an opinion about the president? Am I naive enough to think there weren't federal agents who hated working under Obama? It is literally impossible to work for the federal gov't in any capacity without having an opinion on politics.

Cred, I agree. We are just talking here, and nothing is going to change. It's why I've been staying silent more recently. I give credit to Trump for "bringing peace" to Korea, but talk is cheap and given the credibility of those involved I'd hope you would understand why waiting for actual results would be better. But that seems like a moot point to Chico, who seems determined to berate us for not acknowledging Trump's greatness at international diplomacy. Idk, maybe our future involves us being BFF's with Russia and NK, while Canada, Mexico, England, France, and Germany all give us the finger.

I [B]really hope it's worth it to ya'll and the rest of his supporters, because I firmly believe if Trump came out and said all Muslims and Latinos need to be deported and segregated in internment camps regardless of their legal right to be here, his supporters (not necessarily you/Chico) aka the "suppressed" straight white men would firmly back it. And that's the real problem. We're rapidly devolving into libs/socialists against white men who feel marginalized by Obama and would follow Trump into hell and back.[/B] Meanwhile Trump loves it, because if there's one thing he loves more than money, it's the sound of his own name.[/quote]


You really go off the deep end here...I guess you were getting triggered and then you had to go racial which confirmed it.

Trump is an asshole and not a nice guy...but we are getting results. I know you feel threatened by a great economy and positive results on the world stage (where obama failed miserably).

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1195634]You really go off the deep end here...I guess you were getting triggered and then you had to go racial which confirmed it.



Trump is an asshole and not a nice guy...but we are getting results. I know you feel threatened by a great economy and positive results on the world stage (where obama failed miserably).[/QUOTE]



Do you get triggered too sometimes or is that just us on the left? Lol.
Also you are always raving about the economy lately and im curious if you are personally better off these days or it is just what you here? Not trying to be nosy or anything but on my end:
Business is way down over last year here on the Jersey shore.
Gas prices are climbing.
I do not dabble in the stock market maybe you do but that is not the essence of a booming economy to me.
As for unemployment- that has been going down for years.
You can look at the economy from a million different angles. There are some that credit Obama - say it takes a long time for things to take affect. Some say that some of the things Trump is doing will lead to a major recession when the bubble bursts? These tariffs with Canada and Mexico may back fire big time? Saw a story the other day about the crab industry taking a huge hit down your way and they were all blaming Trump?
Anyway I know you wanna get all Herbert Hoover and a chicken in every pot, but let’s actually let things unfold before we start hailing him as the great American hero. Sort of like we will wait until we see what actually happens in NK before we give him the Nobel peace prize.
Outside of NK he has alienated several allies. He has done nothing about Russia meddling in our election- i know u blame Obama but from what I understand it certainly is on this administration to fix that. Trade Wars with our allies only time will tell man. Trump is a master manipulator and alot of smoke and mirrors. Throw in some straight up lies and dumb ass tweets. Let the dust settle before you put him on Mt Rushmore. He could be doing alot of damage behind the scenes. Which will probably result in the next administration being blamed- because things do not happen in real speed based on a tweet.

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[url]https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/30/16945146/trump-economic-record[/url]

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[url]http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/05/a_growing_economy_may_not_help_republicans_this_fa.html[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1195634]You really go off the deep end here...I guess you were getting triggered and then you had to go racial which confirmed it.

Trump is an asshole and not a nice guy...but we are getting results. I know you feel threatened by a great economy and positive results on the world stage (where obama failed miserably).[/quote]

No ,he went where you go and was honest about it,big ,big difference.The economy is still Obama's.

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[quote=Chico23231;1195634]You really go off the deep end here...I guess you were getting triggered and then you had to go racial which confirmed it.

Trump is an asshole and not a nice guy...but we are getting results. I know you feel threatened by a great economy and positive results on the world stage (where obama failed miserably).[/quote]

Half my family is the "suppressed" straight white male I'm referring to. I was born into that world. My father lives in that world. My friends, relatives, people I grew up with remain in that world. The world I'm referring to is racism, literally believing blacks/muslims/latinos are the root cause of the problems America faces today. Trump is where he is today because of that. That's the foundation he rode to success. And as long as he panders to them (which let's be honest, he only panders to them because they love him) they could care less how racist/misogynistic/sexist his views are. Because his views align with theirs.

There are literally kids being separated from their families and forced to live in cages in former Walmarts because of our President's policies. But you couldn't give two shits because they're not here legally.

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[quote=Giantone;1195638]No ,he went where you go and was honest about it,big ,big difference.T[B]he economy is still Obama[/B]'s.[/quote]


Hilarious...thanks for the laugh. No, not one bit. Economists have clearly stated the strength of the financial system has been directly tied to the trump adminstration in policy and focus.

Now obama could have passed tax cuts, he could have pursued better trade deals, could have passed a better Dodd-Frank deal that didn’t tie up capital, and could have not tied up small business with red tape which restricted opportunities.

Obama chose not too.

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[quote=Chico23231;1195634]You really go off the deep end here...I guess you were getting triggered and then you had to go racial which confirmed it.

Trump is an asshole and not a nice guy...but we are getting results. I know you feel threatened by a great economy and positive results on the world stage (where obama failed miserably).[/quote]
The trump cult members have a short memory. When Obama entered office, the unemployment rate was around 10%. When Obama left, the unemployment rate was about 4%. Now they want to give TRUMP credit for fixing the economy? Pfftt.

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[quote=Chico23231;1195640]Hilarious...thanks for the laugh. No, not one bit. Economists have clearly stated the strength of the financial system has been directly tied to the trump adminstration in policy and focus.

Now obama could have passed tax cuts, he could have pursued better trade deals, could have passed a better Dodd-Frank deal that didn’t tie up capital, and could have not tied up small business with red tape which restricted opportunities.

Congress chose not too.[/quote]



Fixed it for you.

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[quote=mooby;1195639]Half my family is the "suppressed" straight white male I'm referring to. I was born into that world. My father lives in that world. My friends, relatives, people I grew up with remain in that world. The world I'm referring to is racism, literally believing blacks/muslims/latinos are the root cause of the problems America faces today. Trump is where he is today because of that. That's the foundation he rode to success. And as long as he panders to them (which let's be honest, he only panders to them because they love him) they could care less how racist/misogynistic/sexist his views are. Because his views align with theirs.

There are literally kids being separated from their families and forced to live in cages in former Walmarts because of our President's policies. But you couldn't give two shits because they're not here legally.[/quote]

Well that’s terrible and the minority opinion across this country. Most people don’t sit areound race hating...simple truth. Most people want folks in this country to have the freedom to do what they want. We are sitting in a country which is more diverse in every aspect of society than its ever been...a simple truth....which is exciting.

You mention illegal immigration...mooby which are a country of laws which have had a long history of established extremely generous immigration procedures which millions have taken advantage of...if these people say fuck your laws and don’t respect them and don’t want to abide....then yes I have zero sympathy for their position.

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Obama's record.........

From Recession to Recovery

1. Ended the 2008 Recession

In February 2009, Congress approved Obama's $787 billion economic stimulus package. It cut taxes, extended unemployment benefits, and funded public works projects. The recession ended in July when GDP growth turned positive. In just seven months, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act pumped $241.9 billion into the economy. That increased growth to a robust 3.9 percent rate by early 2010. By March 30, 2011, almost all ($633.5 billion) of the funds were spent.

2. Modernized Auto Industry
3. Received 2009 Nobel Peace Prize
4. Reformed Health Care
5. Regulated the Big Banks
6. 2010 Tax Cuts
7. Eliminated bin Laden Threat and Withdrew Troops from Iraq and Afghanistan Wars
8. Raised Fuel Efficiency Standards
9. Won 2012 Presidential Re-election
On November 6, 2012, Obama won a second term. Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney promised to repeal Obamacare and Dodd-Frank. Voters were not sure about eliminating health benefits and regulations against big banks. Romney failed to capture the country's imagination by not presenting a new vision for economic growth.
9. Reduced Carbon Emissions
10. Nuclear Agreement With Iran
11. World's Largest Trade Agreement
12. International Climate Change Agreement
13. Best Job Creator
Obama is the biggest job-creating president in U.S. history. His policies put 22.309 million people to work from the depths of the recession in January 2010 to the end of his term. That's because unemployment continued to rise even after the recession ended in 2009. It takes a few months of economic growth before businesses are confident enough to begin hiring again.

Since the beginning of his term, he put 17.267 million people to work. That makes him the second best job-creator, following Bill Clinton. Job gains would have been even better if Congress had approved Obama's proposed Americans Jobs Act.

Maintained Continuation of Federal Reserve Policy - Obama appointed Federal Reserve Vice-Chair Janet Yellen to replace Ben Bernanke. She maintained an expansionary monetary policy that created the lowest interest rates in 200 years. This allowed the early stages of the housing recovery and slow but steady business expansion to continue. That's because Treasury yields affect mortgage interest rates.

Deficit Spending - The major mark against Obama is the increase in the national debt. Part of the reason for this increase was the deficit spending he used to stimulate the economy. Deficits fell in his second term. Obama's total projected deficits are $6.576 trillion.

No Personal Scandal - One achievement has gone unnoticed but is nevertheless admirable. That's Obama's unblemished personal record. President Obama has served longer than any president in decades without the appearance of the word “scandal” on the front page of The Washington Post. The Washington Monthly has published Obama's top 50 accomplishments.

Obama faced the worst recession since the Great Depression. He used expansionary fiscal policy to combat it. He signed the $787 billion Economic Stimulus Act. This act created jobs in education and infrastructure, ending the recession in the third quarter 2009.

Obama bailed out the U.S. auto industry on March 30, 2009. The federal government took over General Motors and Chrysler, saving three million jobs.

Obama used Bush-era TARP funds to create HARP. It rescued homeowners who were upside-down in their mortgages.

Trump entered office without a recession to fight. But he won the election on the impression by voters that the economic growth should be better.




[url]https://www.ft.com/content/b5b764cc-...b-e7eb37a6aa8e[/url]





[url]https://www.thebalance.com/what-has-obama-done-11-major-accomplishments-3306158[/url]


.........sorry Matty.

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Lol giant1...it’s like reading a list from Fox News of why trump is the greatest president. Biased as fuck.

I’m gonna hit on a couple things: 1. The stimulus bill was in the works before he took office and was bipartisan effort. 2.modernized or bailed out the auto industry...whatever you chose to call it. 3 the healthcare act is failed legislation, not because of trump, but because it was seriously flawed from the outset. It did not follow through on its promises. 4. He killed bin laden but his administration failed to navigate the “Arab spring” movement which resulted in major destabilization of the region which lead to the creation of ISIS and established a caliphate nation which allowed a based operations for terrorist activities across the world killing many. 5 his bank regulation actually held back the recovery, the slowest in history. 6. No personal scandal? Who cares, so you were giving credit to Reagan, both Bushs’ for no personal scandal? Fucking joke stat.


That’s it...#imtriggered