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The fact they stuck with the Board and executed the plan with Free agency...all it does is solidify the fact McC was sound with judgment and had the complete buy in with his team of scouting and personnel.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1167951]What employer would allow an employee to continue drink on the job? My former employer would call in such an employee and demand that the employee either agree to go into rehab that day or he would be fired on the spot.[/quote]

So Scot McCloughan tells Bruce Allen to F off and EB from the Sports Junkies describes it as "not being an ass kisser". Um, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure most of us would get fired if we cursed out our boss, drunk or sober.

While I certainly don't like how things have gone down, I care more about wins and losses and will suspend my outrage until their off-season actions translate into losses. I actually like their player acquisitions so far and think they could be better. With a few exceptions, the best players on the team were here before Scot. They will get past this and having a good season is still very much in play.


Eric Bickel‏Verified account @EBJunkies Mar 10

I have been told that Scot would tell Bruce to F off. Wouldn't kiss his ass. Can't blame him. But i'm sure that also doomed him

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1167951]What employer would allow an employee to continue drink on the job? My former employer would call in such an employee and demand that the employee either agree to go into rehab that day or he would be fired on the spot.[/quote]

In what world is the NFL a regular business where you can just fire somebody as important as the GM one day and worry about the consequences later? There are ways teams in the NFL handle things. If the GM/scout (whichever term for Scot you prefer) isn't fired after the season, it's after the draft. And there's a reason for that, it's to minimize the impact it has on the franchise. Firing him during free agency reeks of panic, they didn't anticipate the leaks and they didn't have a plan for it.

As for the alcoholic thing, if you want to believe that go ahead. If it was disrupting his work and influencing the board I don't think we'd be seeing them following his plan today.

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[quote=44Deezel;1167955]So Scot McCloughan tells Bruce Allen to F off and EB from the Sports Junkies describes it as "not being an ass kisser". Um, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure most of us would get fired if we cursed out our boss, drunk or sober.

While I certainly don't like how things have gone down, I care more about wins and losses and will suspend my outrage until their off-season actions translate into losses. I actually like their player acquisitions so far and think they could be better. With a few exceptions, the best players on the team were here before Scot. They will get past this and having a good season is still very much in play.


Eric Bickel‏Verified account @EBJunkies Mar 10

I have been told that Scot would tell Bruce to F off. Wouldn't kiss his ass. Can't blame him. But i'm sure that also doomed him[/quote]

if I was at work and someone had been drinking and telling me to Ef off, we would have problems.

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Welp, now that Scot McCloughan is gone, let's talk about GM candidates. Seems like Mike Maylock and Doug Williams are the two top choices. I think I'm more than fine with either guy. I think both would be well respected. I wonder when they plan on interviewing either guy?

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We fired him for cause, but we are still following his free agent and draft planing...

Why are they sabotaging themselves.

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Once again... a lot of input goes into putting together the draft/free agency plan, McC didn't sit down and scratch everything out himself. It was a team effort so that's why they are following the plan.

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[quote=mooby;1167956]In what world is the NFL a regular business where you can just fire somebody as important as the GM one day and worry about the consequences later? There are ways teams in the NFL handle things. If the GM/scout (whichever term for Scot you prefer) isn't fired after the season, it's after the draft. And there's a reason for that, it's to minimize the impact it has on the franchise. Firing him during free agency reeks of panic, they didn't anticipate the leaks and they didn't have a plan for it.

As for the alcoholic thing, if you want to believe that go ahead. If it was disrupting his work and influencing the board I don't think we'd be seeing them following his plan today.[/quote]

but he didn't show up to work . . . what is the point of having him and paying him if he is not working? not helping with scouting any longer, not doing his job in FA? it was HIS choice not to show up even after telling the team a week before to not worry, he would be at the combine . . . they expected him there and he stayed at home . . . and he said he would be out another week and be back the next . . . next week came and guess what, he was not at work again . . . again on his own choice . . . why pay the man if he his not showing up for work??? how is that helping the team with FA or preparing for the draft???

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Why does everyone want to boil this down and make everything so simple?

Oh, it was McCloughan's draft board, and they are still using it, yet they fired McCloughan?? I can't make sense of that!!

Shocker, because you don't think very well, that's why you can't make sense of it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1167949]Yeah, I would think had he shown up ready to work for the combine, and especially the start of FA, then they would have worked to keep him through the off season. But missing those two events basically forced the team's actions.[/quote]

Scot not attending the combine was a mutual decision between he and Bruce. He was effectively done here already...

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[quote=SirLK26;1167969]Scot not attending the combine was a mutual decision between he and Bruce. He was effectively done here already...[/quote]

not from what i've read . . . he and his agent were telling the team a week prior that he would be there . . . promising he would . . . and he didn't show up . . . saying he would be back at the office the next week, then still didn't show up

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[quote=MTK;1167960]Once again... a lot of input goes into putting together the draft/free agency plan, [B]McC didn't sit down and scratch everything out himself[/B]. It was a team effort so that's why they are following the plan.[/quote]

This goes with the mindset of Redskins fans wanting to always pin the consequences (positive or negative) on a single person.

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I'm not gonna sit here and question whether some of these posts are directed at me, if you are gonna call me out just do it.

This is all I am asking: If McC had been drinking on the job for an extended period of time why did they not make a plan and stick with it? Clearly he was a weakness that needed to be addressed, why did they do in the haphazard way of firing him during free agency? It wasn't like they saw him having 1 beer on the job and decided he had to leave immediately. Who was the last GM fired during free agency not named McCloughan? Shit, the Seahawks and 49ers knew he had a drinking problem and they still didn't end up with the mess we have now.

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[quote=mooby;1167978]I'm not gonna sit here and question whether some of these posts are directed at me, if you are gonna call me out just do it.

This is all I am asking: If McC had been drinking on the job for an extended period of time why did they not make a plan and stick with it? Clearly he was a weakness that needed to be addressed, why did they do in the haphazard way of firing him during free agency? It wasn't like they saw him having 1 beer on the job and decided he had to leave immediately. Who was the last GM fired during free agency not named McCloughan? Shit, the Seahawks and 49ers knew he had a drinking problem and they still didn't end up with the mess we have now.[/quote]

It's all speculation at this point. Maybe the death of his mom, even at 100, did throw him deeper than is being acknowledged. Maybe the team hoped to get through FA, and maybe even the draft, but when he missed both the combine and the start of FA, they felt they had to act. Maybe the darkest reports of smears and jealousy by BA are in fact the actual reason.

We may not know for several months/years. It's a shame because he was a fan favorite, and in that respect, maybe they had to let the fans see him miss both the combine and FA in order not to have a fan revolt (even doing it with him missing has cracked that door open).

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The truth is that an organization that didn't repeatedly step on it's dick would a) be getting the benefit of the doubt and b) probably not even be in this situation.