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[quote=GTripp0012;315646]I guess for ARE to be overrated, he has to be valued somewhat.

But to TMC's point, the fact that we overpaid him means that our organization [B][U]did[/U][/B] overvalue him. I mean, being overpaid is the true definination of being overrated at least from an organizational standpoint.

He's not a very good receiver, so its hard to say he isnt overrated, but hes good enough to get the job done and brings a lot to the table, so although I do think hes overrated, I'm still glad to have him.[/quote]


I think Gibbs puts a lot of value on him as a returner. A great return man can singlehandedly take you from 8-8 to 10-6. Only a few other players are in a position to do that. I think there will have to be a re-evaluation after this season. Those big returns seem really valuable when a team is successful and he's due for a couple this year.

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[quote=jsarno;315623]But Vick has won games too...if Vick is overrated, so is VY.[/quote]


but no one expected vince young to revolutinize the qb position like they did with vick he is an athlete with an arm and no accuracy. at least young as some accuracy and like gtripp said vince young's hype isnt as much as vick's and he will live up to it unlike vick

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IMO, the most overrated player on our team is Chris Samuels. I think he is great but he is voted a perennial pro-bowler and i think that's a bit much for him.

the most underrated player before last season was ladell but since he got his contract and publicity now I'd say it'd have to be Mike Sellers. FB's are the most unsung heroes on a football team and they really do some dirty work. The only time its fun to play that position is the goal line b/c of the possibility for a short yardage TD or a bootlegged pass off of the play action.

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People who think Samuels is overrated forget when we didn't have him and our QBs got murdered. Samules gives up like 2 or 3 sacks a year in his abd years. He is good.

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People will realize just how good Samuels is once we have to find his replacement. He's anchored the left side since his rookie year, if anything I think he's really underappreciated by Skins fans.

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[quote=5RINGS;315534]What about Reggie Wayne??


How does Larry Fitzgerald get on that list?[/quote]

???? Larry Fitzgerald is a pro-bowler and a monster. And he's only 24. He's gonna be one of the greats if he stays healthy.

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[quote=70Chip;315650]I think Gibbs puts a lot of value on him as a returner. A great return man can singlehandedly take you from 8-8 to 10-6. Only a few other players are in a position to do that. I think there will have to be a re-evaluation after this season. Those big returns seem really valuable when a team is successful and he's due for a couple this year.[/quote]

yes, and let's analyze WHY we signed him for so much; this team thought it was a few players away from a super bowl & ARE was drawing interest from Chicago. We got him as a #3 wr & return man w/the added capability of passing the ball.
The thing I didn't like about the sportsline list is that it just calls him a #3 wr. First of all, he ended the season as our #2 & he does all the other things I mentioned plus we give him the ball to run a lot on reverses.
He was dangerous in Pitt. cause they had a solid team. Once we get to that level here, we'll see him make some more big plays.
I thought of all the acquisitions last year, he paid off the most, we just weren't in a position as a team to get the most out of him.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;315679]People will realize just how good Samuels is once we have to find his replacement. He's anchored the left side since his rookie year, if anything I think he's really underappreciated by Skins fans.[/QUOTE]

100%. Guys don't go to multiple pro bowls just on reputation alone. They have to have been good at some point to get the reputation. And Samuels hasn't gotten bad.

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[quote=70Chip;315650]I think Gibbs puts a lot of value on him as a returner. A great return man can singlehandedly take you from 8-8 to 10-6. Only a few other players are in a position to do that. I think there will have to be a re-evaluation after this season. Those big returns seem really valuable when a team is successful and he's due for a couple this year.[/quote]I see what you are saying, but I have to disagree that a return man can [I]singlehandedly[/I] add two wins to a teams total. If he can do that, it's likely that the team probably was good enough to win ten games anyway, and it just so happened that the methodology happened to involve 2 PR TDs. I think a good punt returner can be the difference between 10 wins and 8 wins on a team that has, ya know, 9.5 win kind of talent. I don't think even a great PR like Hester could take a .500 team and have them win 10 games without any additional breaks. I think that type of performance would need something like 8 PR TDs with no fumbles, which is unprecidented.

Additionally, Randle El is hardly the leagues best PR. And maybe Gibbs overvalues him in that role. I mean, hes a big improvement over Antonio Brown. But Football Outsiders [URL="http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst.php"]argues[/URL] that he created only about 3-4 points over the course of a season over a league average Punt Returner. 3-4 points probably isn't going to change the outcome of any games. Of course, its about an 8 point improvement over Antonio Brown, which is worth about half a win-ish.

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I think (and I'm not sure if this has been mentioned already) that Ladell Betts is overrated. He's a solid #2 (when healthy). But, first of all he's rarely healthy, and secondly this sudden notion that he's as good as or even better than Portis that seems to be so prevalent that past few months is a bit ridiculous I think.

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I agree Betts is a bit overrated right now.

He finally stayed healthy and ran through gigantic holes last year when the O-Line was really firing on all cylinders, sorry but I'm not falling over myself to praise him. Yes he's a valuable backup. Yes he could be a quality starter, but Portis is clearly our starter and the better overall back.

Betts is not a smashmouth Riggins type of runner that some people seem to think he is.

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[quote=Mattyk72;315695]I agree Betts is a bit overrated right now.

He finally stayed healthy and ran through gigantic holes last year when the O-Line was really firing on all cylinders, sorry but I'm not falling over myself to praise him. Yes he's a valuable backup. Yes he could be a quality starter, but Portis is clearly our starter and the better overall back.

[B]Betts is not a smashmouth Riggins type of runner that some people seem to think he is[/B].[/quote]
i agree. but it seems like every time you bring this up, you get all the boys in an uproar

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Let the uproar begin I guess. ;)

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[quote=Mattyk72;315705]Let the uproar begin I guess. ;)[/quote]

i agree with everything u said portis is more riggins than betts is

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;315708]i agree with everything u said portis is more riggins than betts is[/quote]
in a wierd way, i think your right. portis really knows how to finish off a run. just like that touchdown against tampa in the playoff game