Re: AST (After Sean Taylor)-To gun or not to gun?
 

Seriously, folks - it's called Snopes, and, unlike guns, it saves lives:
[URL="http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion.asp"]Urban Legends Reference Pages: Home Invasion Thwarted by 11-Year-Old Girl[/URL]

[quote=Monksdown;398308]Quoting:

[B][B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=4][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Preteen vs. illegal alien Home Invaders[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/B]
[FONT=Arial][SIZE=4][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Butte[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=4][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial], Montana[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]November 5, 200[/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4][COLOR=navy][COLOR=navy]7[/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/B]
[B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26[/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11 year old[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black] It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in [/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Montana[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]and Patricia had been a clay shooting champion since she was nine.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black] Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]grabbed his 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black] Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]knee crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black] When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]left shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to death[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]before medical help could arrive.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black] It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim,[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]50-year-old David Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]chest.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black] Ever wonder why good stuff never makes[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]NBC[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black], CBS,[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]PBS[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black],[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]MSNBC[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black], CNN, or[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]ABC news....[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black] Now that is Gun Control![/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][/quote]

Re: AST (After Sean Taylor)-To gun or not to gun?
 

Not picking sides here, but for every story like this is a story of some kid who accidently killed a buddy while playing with dad's gun. Or, some kid who took dad's gun to school...

And why was an 11-year old left home alone?


[QUOTE=Monksdown;398308]Quoting:

[B][B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=4][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Preteen vs. illegal alien Home Invaders[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/B]
[B][B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=4][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=4][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Butte[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=4][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial], Montana[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][B][B][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]November 5, 200[/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4][COLOR=navy][COLOR=navy]7[/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/B]
[B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26[/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/B][B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11 year old[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black] It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in [/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Montana[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][B][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]and Patricia had been a clay shooting champion since she was nine.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black] Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]grabbed his 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black] Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]knee crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black] When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]left shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to death[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]before medical help could arrive.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black] It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim,[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]50-year-old David Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]chest.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black] Ever wonder why good stuff never makes[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]NBC[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black], CBS,[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]PBS[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black],[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]MSNBC[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black], CNN, or[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]ABC news....[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black] Now that is Gun Control![/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][/QUOTE]

Re: AST (After Sean Taylor)-To gun or not to gun?
 

[quote=SkinDogg;398647]Not picking sides here, but for every story like this is a story of some kid who accidently killed a buddy while playing with dad's gun. Or, some kid who took dad's gun to school...

And why was an 11-year old left home alone?[/quote]

yup.

I'm very pro-gun, but very pro-gun control. I don't understand why people have to take a test in order to drive a car, but anyone over a certain age with no felonies can buy a handgun. Policies banning certain setups are definitely the wrong approach in my opinion. Better screening for intelligence and mental health is the way to go, with the cost getting passed on to the people purchasing...

again just my opinion...

Re: AST (After Sean Taylor)-To gun or not to gun?
 

[quote=Monksdown;398308]Quoting:

[B][B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=4][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Preteen vs. illegal alien Home Invaders[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/B]
[FONT=Arial][SIZE=4][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Butte[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=4][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial], Montana[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]November 5, 200[/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4][COLOR=navy][COLOR=navy]7[/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/B]
[B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26[/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11 year old[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black] It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in [/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Montana[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]and Patricia had been a clay shooting champion since she was nine.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black] Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]grabbed his 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black] Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]knee crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black] When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]left shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to death[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]before medical help could arrive.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black] It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim,[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]50-year-old David Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]chest.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black] Ever wonder why good stuff never makes[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]NBC[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black], CBS,[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]PBS[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black],[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]MSNBC[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black], CNN, or[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]ABC news....[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][B][B][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][COLOR=black] Now that is Gun Control![/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B][/quote]

those two dudes got what they deserved. i would have done the same thing, except after i shot them down i would have kicked him in his face.

Re: AST (After Sean Taylor)-To gun or not to gun?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;398670]those two dudes got what they deserved. i would have done the same thing, except after i shot them down i would have kicked him in his face.[/quote]

Except that [URL="http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locker-room/21645-ast-after-sean-taylor-gun-2.html#post398645"]it never happened[/URL].

Re: AST (After Sean Taylor)-To gun or not to gun?
 

[quote=onlydarksets;398672]Except that [URL="http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locker-room/21645-ast-after-sean-taylor-gun-2.html#post398645"]it never happened[/URL].[/quote]

I guess people just skip over posts.

Sounded a little too good to be true, for sure.

Re: AST (After Sean Taylor)-To gun or not to gun?
 

[QUOTE=onlydarksets;398645]Seriously, folks - it's called Snopes, and, unlike guns, it saves lives:
[URL="http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion.asp"]Urban Legends Reference Pages: Home Invasion Thwarted by 11-Year-Old Girl[/URL][/QUOTE]

So one false story that gets passed around proves...?

Re: AST (After Sean Taylor)-To gun or not to gun?
 

I still don't quite understand the logic, "To combat the threat of guns, we need to give everyone guns." It's akin to the U.S. arguing in the Cold War, "to combat the threat of nuclear arms, we need to proliferate nukes." Gun-advocates view gun-control proponents as naive, but I'm not sure that people who believe 99% of people can handle guns are themselves entirely in touch with reality.

Re: AST (After Sean Taylor)-To gun or not to gun?
 

Both sides (I'm neither for nor against guns btw) seem to only consider their perspective when arguing their case. I guess that's logical, but there are countless stories as to why someone wants or does not want to own a gun. If you have a specific and personal reason for owning a gun then you should be able to own one. If guns make you uncomfortable then don't have one in your home. Right now the laws seem pretty fair for both sides.

If I had one opinion on the matter it would be guns should be used for home defense and recreation not to be carried around in public places.

Re: AST (After Sean Taylor)-To gun or not to gun?
 

[quote=mheisig;398675]So one false story that gets passed around proves...?[/quote]

That it's a false story. The guns comment is (quite obviously) commentary.

Re: AST (After Sean Taylor)-To gun or not to gun?
 

F that someone comes into my house at night they are getting blasted. Even if they kill me they're going down with me. I didn't need ST to die to know that.

Re: AST (After Sean Taylor)-To gun or not to gun?
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;398680]I still don't quite understand the logic, "To combat the threat of guns, we need to give everyone guns." [/quote]


that's because that statement represents 2 extreme points of view.

#1 that guns themselves pose a threat to anything

#2 that everyone should have them.

Neither of these statements is remotely accurate, so if you put them together obviously it's going to sound absurd... there is no logic to that statement, and I find it difficult to believe anyone is arguing that.

Re: AST (After Sean Taylor)-To gun or not to gun?
 

Moving this to the parking lot since it's basically an off topic thread now

Re: AST (After Sean Taylor)-To gun or not to gun?
 

[QUOTE=chrisl4064;398278]I have a gun, carry, and work with them. I think to get a gun out of fear just to have is stupid, however if you take the time to use it and educate yourself it can be a very useful tool in a terrible situation. You would be suprised to see how many people have thier own weapons turned on them, know what you are doing....[/QUOTE]

Good post, I agree.
I have a .45 next to bed, but I keep a bullet out of the chamber just to avoid accidental firings.
I firmly think all honest people should have a gun, if intruders were shot and killed every time they broke into a house, I guarantee the amount of break ins would decrease by a substantial margin. You should always protect yourself and your family, but learn / educate yourself on how to use it, and of course, go to a gun range and learn how to shoot it too. No point in having it if you're just going to shoot the wall. Practice makes perfect.

Re: AST (After Sean Taylor)-To gun or not to gun?
 

I'm not really an advocate for guns personally and unless I end up being some Dr. Making XXX,XXX+ amounts of money, I hope I'll never have a need for one. But I believe that when you live in a nice neighborhood or a well known person making a hell of a lot of money. You NEED a gun.

... Or a REALLY big bodyguard.

In the case of athletes I do advocate them carrying guns.