[QUOTE=Mattyk72]2K5 sold about 900,000 units in July, I don't think they're going anywhere.[/QUOTE]

i heard today that this is going to be the last title in the 2k series and the series is going to be totally revamped even though its latest incarnation is a pretty solid game.

Hey skinsfanthruandthru are you the Mad English Dirtbags in the Warpath $$ League?

If so, we missed you during the live draft Sunday night.

what Matty meant was that ESPN sold 900k, so it WON'T get cancelled (go anywhere). i hope he's right.

and i've heard that same 'last one of the series' rumor about Madden, don't know which is true, but innovation of any kind isn't only welcome, it's needed. and i'm not talking about Groundskeeper Mode, or bump mapping whats left of Chris Berman's hair...

[QUOTE=smootsmack]Hey skinsfanthruandthru are you the Mad English Dirtbags in the Warpath $$ League?

If so, we missed you during the live draft Sunday night.[/QUOTE]

nope, not me. I don't have the extra cash to be doing a pay league and it takes the fun out of it for me. I'm already competetive enough but add money to the mix and watch out, lol.

[QUOTE=illdefined]what Matty meant was that ESPN sold 900k, so it WON'T get cancelled (go anywhere). i hope he's right.

and i've heard that same 'last one of the series' rumor about Madden, don't know which is true, but innovation of any kind isn't only welcome, it's needed. and i'm not talking about Groundskeeper Mode, or bump mapping whats left of Chris Berman's hair...[/QUOTE]
this is the last year with madden's name in the title/game unless he does a complete reversal and signs a new contract. But I have a feeling now that he's with abc(which of course owns espn), there may be a chance, all be it slim, that he'd possibly join up with espn and sega's football title next year.

whered u get this info?

seems like a popular rumor, I haven't seen anything official though

i hope its true.

A. Madden is losing it as a human being, much less a commentator

B. the name recognition factor would be dead, and the games would finally stand on their own and not by their franchise

EA is a pretty big brand name even without madden... bigger than sega or espn in the gaming world...

the ESPN game to me was really crappy, after playing madden for so long, all other games seem to suck. the gameplay was weird, and like the preseason was confusing to me

[QUOTE=Big C]the ESPN game to me was really crappy, after playing madden for so long, all other games seem to suck. the gameplay was weird, and like the preseason was confusing to me[/QUOTE]

Not only that, but the franchise mode sucks on ESPN. The only that game has going is sportscenter, and the post game highlights with Berman. Oh yeah, and the redskins playbook.

yeah that was enticing, but the rest sucked balls, pales in comparison to madden

EA has all the best games, FIFA 2005 is going to be the best sports game ever, or at least second to madden. no other company is even in the same ball park

[QUOTE=illdefined]i hope its true.

A. Madden is losing it as a human being, much less a commentator

B. the name recognition factor would be dead, and the games would finally stand on their own and not by their franchise[/QUOTE]Madden is losing it as a human being? Not sure what you're trying to get at there.

Even if you take away the Madden name, (which I don't understand why they would), it still has the EA name attached to it. Whatever they call the game it would still sell.

Gamespot gave Madden '05 a 9.0 overall, ESPN a 9.1. Unless I'm missing something there isn't a huge difference between the games. They both have their positives and negatives.

just meant that Madden seems to be gettin old. he's gettin up there you know?

of course EA is a big gaming name, as is Sega, but thats to gamers. to most of the people who buy these games at Wal-Mart, its all about MADDEN, NFL, ESPN etc. no one would buy SEGA football or EA football. if Madden didn't renew the contract you could be sure EA would pick another franchise name quick, and they'd lose alot of the 10 year name recognition of Madden to the non-gamers. ESPN as a name could be bigger than whatever they choose, and make more kids pick it up instead of EA's new Al Micheals Football '06. again, talking about the majority of the buyer$ out there, who arent necessarily 'gamers'.

of course playing the same game for years will make playing another seem weird. but just cuz you are used to something doesn't make it better. to me, thats exactly the problem with Madden. it's been the same game for years..