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[quote=SC Skins Fan;412168]Matty,

While I often agree with you, here I must humbly disagree. If Snyder/Cerrato already know what they want to do with the HC vacancy then why don't they hold a presser and announce Gibbs' successor? You can say that they are "being patient" and perhaps waiting until after the SB, but in that case why are they bringing in Zorn and Ryan as OC and DC candidates (as multiple sources have reported)? If they are bringing in OC and DC candidates then the only conclusion is that they have a successor in place already, otherwise why are you trying to build a staff already? If Fassel is the guy, then why not just announce it? Why is it contingent on getting Zorn and Ryan? I can't imagine that Fassel is in position to say, I'll only come if I can get X and Y on my staff. If you trust Fassel to run the ship then why do you need a whole staff in place before you hire him? Not to mention the fact that the Redskins still have an OC and DC under contract (obviously a new coach would probably overhaul, but why make that attempt publicly before you have even announced a new coach?) If they want to wait for Spagnolo (which would have made sense had the Giants lost but now seems to just drag the thing out too long), then wait for him but don't bring in coaching candidates for the OC and DC jobs.

No other team in the league that had a vacancy waited to fill the OC and DC spots before they announced the coach. They announced their head coach, then (logically) allowed him to move forward choosing his staff. I agree that the histrionics on this site and elsewhere during the search were unnecessary. However, the past two days Snyder has bungled the operation and I think criticism of specifically his handling of the Fassel/Ryan/Zorn situation is very justified.[/quote]

Why interview a OC and a DC w/out a HC? Who does that? You hire the HC FIRST! Snyder and Vinny suck beyond belief.

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[quote=Mattyk72;412170]Maybe because they are still going through the process and interviewing candidates??

Without knowing the entire situation, it's comical to sit here and blast Snyder and co.[/quote]
You are TOTALLY correct!

Is it not amazing how easy it is for those with no skin on the table, to [B]prematurely[/B] judge the decisions of those that do.

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[quote=POORFAN;412176]Dan Snyder is a fool. He should get rid of Cerrato (again) as he doesn't know what he is doing and rehire Casserly who does know what he is doing. His obvious move would have been to promote Williams to head coach and let him hire the new defensive coach. By keeping Saunders and the other coaches, he could have built on what he has which is a team showing signs of developing into a winner. He doesn't understand cohesiveness and team spirit within the organization. Now, I gaurantee the team will regress into a doormat for the division. Snyder has gotten rid of better coaches than Fassel ever was.[/quote]
Welcome to the board.

You said Snyder has fired better coaches then Fassel. Can you name the two or more that your speaking about?

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[quote=POORFAN;412176]Dan Snyder is a fool. He should get rid of Cerrato (again) as he doesn't know what he is doing and rehire Casserly who does know what he is doing. His obvious move would have been to promote Williams to head coach and let him hire the new defensive coach. By keeping Saunders and the other coaches, he could have built on what he has which is a team showing signs of developing into a winner. He doesn't understand cohesiveness and team spirit within the organization. Now, I gaurantee the team will regress into a doormat for the division. [B]Snyder has gotten rid of better coaches than Fassel ever was[/B].[/quote]

Yet Fassel has been to a Super Bowl in the last decade, something that Turner, Marty, Spurrier, and Gibbs can't lay claim to.

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How do we feel about Josh McDaniel? I mean if we're going to veer off the road and start over....

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Please don't shit the bed, Danny. This team does not need to be rebuilt. If you choose to rebuild, lose great coaches like Williams, Grey, Blache, Bugel, you are disrespecting the work Joe Gibbs did here, and saying you know better. Come on, man, sometimes the right decision is the obvious one.

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That last post made me laugh out loud for the first time in a long time. The alias and first line of the post were comedy gold.

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Joe Gibbs work is being slighted here. The reason he came back was because of the poor shape the team was in and decided to help build foundation to his old home team.

To disassemble the foundation that Gibbs has laid down is disrespectful to a HOF coach who saw his old team in need.

I liked Gibbs role and I knew the results of his work during his time here more than likely wouldn't mean a Super Bowl run, but I was satisified knowing the work he was putting in to make this frachise stable. I don't want all of Gibbs efforts to go for naught.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;412240]Joe Gibbs work is being slighted here. The reason he came back was because of the poor shape the team was in and decided to help build foundation to his old home team.

To disassemble the foundation that Gibbs has laid down is disrespectful to a HOF coach who saw his old team in need.

I liked Gibbs role and I knew the results of his work during his time here more than likely wouldn't mean a Super Bowl run, but I was satisified knowing the work he was putting in to make this frachise stable. I don't want all of Gibbs efforts to go for naught.[/quote]
OK, so your saying that when Gibbs was hired 4 years ago you thought of him as a coach to build the team but did not think he could take us to the SB? If thats the case then you are the only person who had the fore sight to know that Gibbs could not take us to the SB.

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[quote=firstdown;412243]OK, so your saying that when Gibbs was hired 4 years ago you thought of him as a coach to build the team but did not think he could take us to the SB? If thats the case then you are the only person who had the fore sight to know that Gibbs could not take us to the SB.[/quote]

True that.

The Skins haven't won a Super Bowl in over 15 years, you telling me you expected to win one in that span? And to do it while trying to create the mystic of those days again by having Gibbs as head coach? That senario is too Hollywood, those are long odds in my book.

I did know though that Gibbs had enough influence to keep Snyder's hands off the squad so he could build a franchise back to domination.

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[quote=firstdown;412243]OK, so your saying that when Gibbs was hired 4 years ago you thought of him as a coach to build the team but did not think he could take us to the SB? If thats the case then you are the only person who had the fore sight to know that Gibbs could not take us to the SB.[/quote]

I don't know if he's the ONLY one. I certainly hoped Joe would lead us to a Super Bowl, but it became pretty clear we had a LONG way to go 2 years into his contract. Like the previous poster I was just happy that Joe was working to restore some professionalism and leadership to the franchise, if nothing else.

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[quote=dgack;412249]I don't know if he's the ONLY one. I certainly hoped Joe would lead us to a Super Bowl, but it became pretty clear we had a LONG way to go 2 years into his contract. Like the previous poster I was just happy that Joe was working to restore some professionalism and leadership to the franchise, if nothing else.[/quote]
So you can say that when Gibbs was first hired (before anyone took the field) that you never thought he could lead us to the SB or as was said make a run for a SB. I would think that anyone who had seen us win 3 SB's and everything else we won with Gibbs would have atleast thought we had a chance to make a SB run.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;412197]Why interview a OC and a DC w/out a HC? Who does that? You hire the HC FIRST! Snyder and Vinny suck beyond belief.[/QUOTE]

Or you hire them together. Isn't that essentially what happened with Gibbs and Williams?

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[quote=firstdown;412252]So you can say that when Gibbs was first hired (before anyone took the field) that you never thought he could lead us to the SB or as was said make a run for a SB. I would think that anyone who had seen us win 3 SB's and everything else we won with Gibbs would have atleast thought we had a chance to make a SB run.[/quote]

We'll then we had 2 Super Bowl runs since he's been head coach. Super Bowl run meant Super Bowl winner or loser.


I don't think any rational Skins fan thought he could win a Super Bowl just by being Joe Gibbs, but they knew he could add vast stability to the team by being Joe Gibbs.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;412254]We'll then we had 2 Super Bowl runs since he's been head coach. Super Bowl run meant Super Bowl winner or loser.


I don't think any rational Skins fan thought he could win a Super Bowl just by being Joe Gibbs, but they knew he could add vast stability to the team by being Joe Gibbs.[/quote]
Come on get real. Gibbs is hired and all you thought of is stability for the team? That was the new term for when he left to as kind of an excuse of his record in his 2nd term. Not something people thought when he came back 4 years ago.