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[quote=jsarno;431658]Your comments beg the question...why do we as a society insist on labels? Why can't he just be Obama? Why label him as black? Why label him?[/quote]

Cause society can't get past labels. It's like my best friend tells me, she said when she met me, she didn't see a black female. She just saw Di'Andra (Thats me! :D). Which I found amazing because I always thought when people looked at me, the first thing they automatically notice, is that I'm black.

I think society doesn't go, "Oh hey! Look at that great guy making a speech." They go, "Hey, look at that Black guy. He's so articulate."

And here is where I agree with you, that labels are detrimental. I do hope that in another generation or two, people won't be so quick to label someone by race, sexual orientation, or whatever it may be. But unfortunately I don't think we're there yet.

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BTW, I think it's hilarious that Ferraro is claiming that Obama wouldn't be a candidate if he were white. Yeah, because Hillary hasn't gotten any help from being Hillary [B]Clinton[/B].

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;431664]BTW, I think it's hilarious that Ferraro is claiming that Obama wouldn't be a candidate if he were white. Yeah, because Hillary hasn't gotten any help from being Hillary [B]Clinton[/B].[/quote]

At least Clinton apologized, which is something out of the ordinary for her. I bet it takes every fiber in her body to apologize and keep a straight face.

Keith Olbermann ripped her a new ass last night and told her she should "Reject and denounce". Which I thought was hilarious. His tirade was great, I enjoyed it.

But God, I can't wait till this stupid democratic primary is over. :Smoker:

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We label because it is our nature. Our brains struggle to understand things and one way they have adapted to be more efficient is to categorize. It is the way we learn so it is simply natural for us to see something or someone and discern the physical characteristics of them and then place them in a "box". Even those who don't "see" a black female when they meet you Rave still do categorize you as black. They'd have to be blind and ignorant not to. What the the more enlightened are able to do is not perceive much about you based on this. There are very few people who can honestly say they don't categorize people. It is basically impossible for us not to.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;431658][B]Your comments beg the question[/B]...why do we as a society insist on labels? Why can't he just be Obama? Why label him as black? Why label him?[/QUOTE]

No, it doesn't.

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question"]Begging the Question[/URL]

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;431660]And here is where I agree with you, that labels are detrimental. I do hope that in another generation or two, people won't be so quick to label someone by race, sexual orientation, or whatever it may be. But unfortunately I don't think we're there yet.[/QUOTE]

If we get there, we'll be the first society in the history of the planet to do so.

I'm not saying we shouldn't try to keep making strides, but let's not be naive and think this generation is so special that we'll be the ones to finally put an end to discrimination that goes back to the cave men and probably dinosaurs.

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;431660]Cause society can't get past labels. It's like my best friend tells me, she said when she met me, she didn't see a black female. She just saw Di'Andra (Thats me! :D). Which I found amazing because I always thought when people looked at me, the first thing they automatically notice, is that I'm black.

I think society doesn't go, "Oh hey! Look at that great guy making a speech." They go, "Hey, look at that Black guy. He's so articulate."

And here is where I agree with you, that labels are detrimental. I do hope that in another generation or two, people won't be so quick to label someone by race, sexual orientation, or whatever it may be. But unfortunately I don't think we're there yet.[/QUOTE]

It kind of cracks me up when there are a ton of shades of "white" and a ton of shades of "black"...so someone that is exactly inbetween...how does he or she get catagorized?

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[QUOTE=mheisig;431697]No, it doesn't.

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question"]Begging the Question[/URL][/QUOTE]

and that begs the question, why are there no threads about what is going on in the NBA, or how Bush is giving us money back this year (the "surplus"), and how many of you that won't accept it because you think it should go to "deficeit". Or preseason baseball? Or the fact that the Yankees signed Billy Crystal? It just begs the question. :D

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[QUOTE=jsarno;431712]It kind of cracks me up when there are a ton of shades of "white" and a ton of shades of "black"...so someone that is exactly inbetween...how does he or she get catagorized?[/QUOTE]

To put the question back onto you, how would you categorize the various groups?

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[QUOTE=jsarno;431713]and that begs the question, why are there no threads about what is going on in the NBA, or how Bush is giving us money back this year (the "surplus"), and how many of you that won't accept it because you think it should go to "deficeit". Or preseason baseball? Or the fact that the Yankees signed Billy Crystal? It just begs the question. :D[/QUOTE]

Gaah it hurts! Stop!

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;431714]To put the question back onto you, how would you categorize the various groups?[/QUOTE]

I know you're not going to believe me, I already got blasted when I didn't realize that Ron Meeks was "black". But I don't see that. Maybe it's the fact that I grew up in such a diverse environment, I don't know. I see Obama for who he is and what he stands for, same with Hilary (even though I think she's a bitch). I don't see color. Fact is, we are all a different shade of color. It's hard to find people that are your EXACT shade. So someone has a skin pigmentation difference...who cares? I care about who the person is.

Same applies for homosexuality. I worked with a guy that was gay, and he felt the need to tell me so (even though everyone knew). I laughed and told him he's just Matt to me. Being homosexual is not who you are, it's what you do. I could care less if you're a homosexual or not, I will look at you as who you are.

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[QUOTE=mheisig;431718]Gaah it hurts! Stop![/QUOTE]

I'm just messin with you man. I will likely stop saying that now that I know it doesn't apply. Thanks for the link.

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Jsarno,

I certainly agree that we should look beyond race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. But, the simple fact is that very few, if any, of us are actually color blind.

But, I don't quite follow your logic about whether someone is a person of color or not. You laughed at the idea that there are "shades of color." Yet, you also said Obama is not really black. Do you then think that Obama is white?

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[quote=SmootSmack;431294]Dumb comment.
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If it is so dumb, then why did the Obama campaign just reprimand a campaign worker for using his full name and distribute instructions and talking points on how to refer to the Senator?

Also, why has McCain instructed his campaign not to use Obama's full name?


BECAUSE people will overreact with "dumb comments" and accusing people of attacking Obama with "hate speech" because they used his name.

Sure, there are a lot of dumb comments flying around. Most of them come from the Obama camp.

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I personally think that when people specifically mention Barack's middle name, they more often than not have bad intentions in mind. How often did people say William Jefferson Clinton? And I have no clue what John McCain's middle name is.