Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

how about Jackson....negatives only...

[B]...Has very good speed, but is still a bit raw running routes and must improve his transition a bit..[/B]

The rest of his faults are in regards to his size and bulk and how he gets pushed at the line of scrimmage and how he may shy away from the ball when he hears foot steps.

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

You certainly hate to hear of trust issues. It sounds like hes a very slow learner.

I was shocked that we even IMO wasted a draft pick on a TE. With already having an elite TE in Cooley and a solid #2 in Yoder. I guess we will have to take a wait and see approach, not much choice at the moment.

At the moment all three second round picks in this years class are suspect, I would have been happy with one of the three stepping up and making some contributions to the team this season.

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;501974]You certainly hate to hear of trust issues. It sounds like hes a very slow learner.

I was shocked that we even IMO wasted a draft pick on a TE. With already having an elite TE in Cooley and a solid #2 in Yoder. I guess we will have to take a wait and see approach, not much choice at the moment.

At the moment all three second round picks in this years class are suspect, I would have been happy with one of the three stepping up and making some contributions to the team this season.[/quote]Well, Yoder shouldn't be on an NFL team, so there's that. I suppose we could do worse than Yoder at No. 2, but it's easy to do better.

Davis is never going to pass Cooley on the depth chart, but it would be nice if we could go base 2 TEs in the post Sellers era. Portis would totally rock in that formation, given that the defense would have one more gap to defend and Portis reads zone blocking as well as any player in the history of the NFL.

Right now though, the only solution is just to have Sellers play more.

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

*Gasp* Zorn doesn't trust rookies, and lately Zorn has been less open when it comes to the offense so that means......THAT Zorn doesn't trust himself. I see. The ways of the Freudian slip are strong.

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

^ you know Dirtbag....for some weird unknown reason....I understood that. scarey.
Funny but scarey.

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;501981]*Gasp* Zorn doesn't trust rookies, and lately Zorn has been less open when it comes to the offense so that means......THAT Zorn doesn't trust himself. I see. The ways of the Freudian slip are strong.[/quote]

Or maybe it's just the OL is underperforming so he's not comfortable in getting JC killed by opening things up? And with a low margin for error, he knows we simply cannot afford silly rookie mistakes?

Zorn isn't the first or last NFL head coach to not trust rookies.

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;501999]Or maybe it's just the OL is underperforming so he's not comfortable in getting JC killed by opening things up? And with a low margin for error, he knows we simply cannot afford silly rookie mistakes?

[B]Zorn isn't the first or last NFL head coach to not trust rookies[/B].[/quote]Sounds a lot like Joe Gibbs ;-)

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;501999]Or maybe it's just the OL is underperforming so he's not comfortable in getting JC killed by opening things up? And with a low margin for error, he knows we simply cannot afford silly rookie mistakes?

Zorn isn't the first or last NFL head coach to not trust rookies.[/quote]I don't think it's ALL the offensive line, because they've been bad at protecting JC all year and we've overcome that for some pretty impressive victories. My initial impression (and I haven't looked at the tape) is that the difference in the last two weeks is all in how Campbell and Moss are seeing the field.

But if you're are right, and the offensive line has been that much more offensive over the last two games that it's ruining everything Zorn would like to do, I would think he HAS to start benching players like Rabach and Jansen, right? He wouldn't go through the rest of the season just trying to playcall around piss poor talent on the OL, would he?

Because that would get very ugly, very fast. This team would be basically unwatchable for the remainder.

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;501974][B]You certainly hate to hear of trust issues. It sounds like hes a very slow learner.[/B]

I was shocked that we even IMO wasted a draft pick on a TE. With already having an elite TE in Cooley and a solid #2 in Yoder. I guess we will have to take a wait and see approach, not much choice at the moment.

At the moment all three second round picks in this years class are suspect, I would have been happy with one of the three stepping up and making some contributions to the team this season.[/quote]

slow learner isn't even the word i was thinking. he must be learning impaired.

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

I think we're getting a bit worked up over some rookies that generally take a while to develop. You can question drafting some of them, but i think they deserve a little time before we start jumping all over them.

Davis, from what i can tell, has some serious skills, but he's behind Cooley for good reason. Zorn is a stickler and if he doesn't see things in practice, you're not playing. I would have thought we'd see some two TE sets, w/ CC and Davis on the field together more, but hey, it's not happening for a reason. Zorn pointed this out. By next year we should see some improvements. Let's just hope they get on the field a little to get some experience.

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

if you go by what all 3 have done for the team so far,it's 3 wasted picks.thomas is promising,the other two don't come close to that.

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

[quote=drew54;501637]2009 #1 pick should be OLine.[/quote]

EVERY PICK IN 2009 should be either O-LINE or D-LINE.

We drafted Fred Davis (as well as the others - jury is still out on them) because we believe we are smarter than the other NFL teams- that is, on draft day, we were certain that every other NFL team got it wrong and that each of the 3 picks are "steals" or "must draft" at their picks. Now, there is nothing wrong with thinking you are smarter than other teams, except when you aren't. Hindsight is 20/20, I know- but can't we do better?

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;501999]Or maybe it's just the OL is underperforming so he's not comfortable in getting JC killed by opening things up? And with a low margin for error, he knows we simply cannot afford silly rookie mistakes?

Zorn isn't the first or last NFL head coach to not trust rookies.[/quote]


OH, I see now EVERYONE wants to talk about the O-Line. How typical :D

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

[quote=BrunellMVP?;502120]EVERY PICK IN 2009 should be either O-LINE or D-LINE.

We drafted Fred Davis (as well as the others - jury is still out on them) because we believe we are smarter than the other NFL teams- that is, on draft day, we were certain that every other NFL team got it wrong and that each of the 3 picks are "steals" or "must draft" at their picks. Now, there is nothing wrong with thinking you are smarter than other teams, except when you aren't. Hindsight is 20/20, I know- but can't we do better?[/quote]I agree 100% with this. There's nothing wrong with going out on a limb on draft day and trying to show all the other teams whats up...but then it's pretty critical that you get it right.

Re: Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?
 

From what I understand, the main reason Fred Davis has been elusive is because he doen't know the play book yet. This is just what I heard, but if it is true, wouldn't you think someone would have picked up the fact that hes a dumbass before we drafted him?