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[quote=maroonandblack30;512316]If I am paying an RB $20 mil he better be able to break some long runs, make guys miss, and stay on his feet in the open field. Like over the moutain said, "He only gets the yards his o-line creates for him. He rarely makes plays.[/quote]

Do you really actually watch the games or just say you watch?

So much hate..... take off your rose colored glasses about Portis. He has rushed for 1500+ yards once as a Skin. His avg per rush is average at best. Again, I am not a Portis hater, I just don't think he is a great back. He is probably the 4th best RB in the NFC east! If you are a Skins fan and have watched every game over the past 5 years ask your self the following questions

1. How many 30+ runs has CP had?
2. How many times does he just fall over in the open field when he has the chance to break a long run?
3. How many times does he make a defender miss in space
4. How many times has Portis been stopped on 3rd and 1 or at the goal line?

Its easy to just call me stupid and an idiot, but can you really argue with my points? I would love to hear legit opinions.

I'm talking about his Redskins career as a whole...not just this season. This is probably his best year (especially the first 7 games). I will also admit that his numbers are impressive, he is just missing "something" IMO.

[quote=PretzelBoy;512353]Betts put up the same type of numbers when Portis was hurt. Portis is not a playmaker. He is good and you can't argue with his numbers but he is not even the 3rd best back in the NFC East.[/quote]
I guess we don't have any type of test for people to join this site.

[quote=firstdown;512370]Do you really actually watch the games or just say you watch?[/quote]

I watch every single game... without rose colored glasses.

[quote=firstdown;512372]I guess we don't have any type of test for people to join this site.[/quote]

Its easy to just say "you are stupid" when someone says something you disagree with. At least back up your statement with an arguement.

Do you think CP breaks long runs?
Do you think he is good in short yardage?
Do you think he ever makes defenders miss in space?
Do you think he falls down on his own way to much?

He gets the yardage...but he is far from elite. Elite backs do the things I llisted above.

[quote=mheisig;512314]Don't take this personally, but how ****ing stupid are you?

On second thought, DO take that personally.

Portis led the league in rushing up until a couple of weeks ago, is averaging 4.6 YPC and 95 yds/game. Anyone complaining about his production is a ****ing idiot.[/quote]

Easy dude, no need to get upset about an opinion.

[quote=Miller101;512264]This thread is angry! People who post here are angry! People who read posts here become angry! And now I'm angry! I don't know why, but I'm angry![/quote]

AHAHAHAHAH!

[quote=maroonandblack30;512376]Its easy to just say "you are stupid" when someone says something you disagree with. At least back up your statement with an arguement.

Do you think CP breaks long runs?
Do you think he is good in short yardage?
Do you think he ever makes defenders miss in space?
Do you think he falls down on his own way to much?

He gets the yardage...but he is far from elite. Elite backs do the things I llisted above.[/quote]
OK Yes, Yes, Yes, and Yes. Portis is not going to out run people in open space but other then that he is a great back. Take a runner like Bush and he is great when he breaks out in the open field but he he cannot bust things open on his own. He might have a couple of big plays but he does not produce play after play.

[quote=maroonandblack30;512371]So much hate..... take off your rose colored glasses about Portis. He has rushed for 1500+ yards once as a Skin. His avg per rush is average at best. Again, I am not a Portis hater, I just don't think he is a great back. He is probably the 4th best RB in the NFC east! If you are a Skins fan and have watched every game over the past 5 years ask your self the following questions

1. How many 30+ runs has CP had?
2. How many times does he just fall over in the open field when he has the chance to break a long run?
3. How many times does he make a defender miss in space
4. How many times has Portis been stopped on 3rd and 1 or at the goal line?

[B]Its easy to just call me stupid and an idiot[/B], but can you really argue with my points? I would love to hear legit opinions.

I'm talking about his Redskins career as a whole...not just this season. This is probably his best year (especially the first 7 games). I will also admit that his numbers are impressive, he is just missing "something" IMO.[/quote]

You are stupid and an idiot.

Hey it easy !!! (doesn't accomplish much but it is easy)
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Now why would any Skins fan be angry? Oh no now the fan base is falling apart!! Let's continue to respect each others opinions and perceptions. It's obvious nobody including the Redskins can figure this mess out. Can't we all just get along?

Never mind I'm pissed too!!!!!!

[quote=maroonandblack30;512371]He has rushed for 1500+ yards once as a Skin. His avg per rush is average at best. [/quote]
His average yards per rush this year is 12th overall in the NFL. His yards per game is 95, 3rd in the league. Hardly average.

[quote]Again, I am not a Portis hater, I just don't think he is a great back. He is probably the 4th best RB in the NFC east![/quote]
I agree he is not a great back, but a very good back. I'd rather have him than Westbrook, Barber or Ward (I would love to see Jacobs in "maroon & black" tho).

[quote] If you are a Skins fan and have watched every game over the past 5 years ask your self the following questions

1. How many 30+ runs has CP had?
2. How many times does he just fall over in the open field when he has the chance to break a long run?
3. How many times does he make a defender miss in space
4. How many times has Portis been stopped on 3rd and 1 or at the goal line?
[/quote]
Sorry don't have them all DVR'd and my memory isn't that great.
1. Portis is not a "HR hitter" type back anymore. He also doesn't have WRs who block very well (outside of Thrash) allowing for long TD runs to be broken. He's an excellent all-around back, he's gotten bigger & stronger to go between the tackles better, he can catch out of the backfield, he pass-pros well.
2. Not many I recall.
3. Frequently, more so in the check-down passing game or on screens.
4. Goal line, not so much. 3rd & short, that was an issue early in his time here, but he's bulked up and I don't think this is as much of an issue now. I would like a Brandon Jacobs type back to compliment him. Unfortunately Duckett wasn't the answer.

My problem with Portis is his mouth and stamina. No way a featured back heads to the sideline inside the 20 unless he's hurt. I wouldn't categorize this as "sucking wind" after one or two runs, but he needs to finish drives.

Bottom line guys if Portis stayed healthy he would be the NFL leading rusher.

[quote=firstdown;512382]OK Yes, Yes, Yes, and Yes. Portis is not going to out run people in open space but other then that he is a great back. Take a runner like Bush and he is great when he breaks out in the open field but he he cannot bust things open on his own. He might have a couple of big plays but he does not produce play after play.[/quote]

Bush sucks as a pro RB. Not a good comparison.

portis is a top 5 back. he makes a ton of defenders miss. its just that its usually behind the line of scrimmage, just trying to get into the hole. lets face it. our offensive line is just that, offensive. you name me one more complete back in this league. its really hard to do, isn't it?