Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=cpayne5;602910]Kelly and Thomas can't get open because they come out of their breaks way too slow. They need to pick up their game speed considerably. The playcalling is woefully inept too, IMO, which doesn't help.[/quote]

This same critique is coming from several sources now, Cossell, ESPN and now NFL Network guys were saying the same thing yesterday.
I guess on film it is clear these two guys are not getting any separation from their defenders.
In my experiences I have found that guys that have weak or worn knees tend to have a problem cutting at full speed. I think both of these guys have had past knee problems?
I would like to see Marko get some reps with the first team in a game. These two jokers Kelly/Thomas have been given enough time to prove themselves. It is time to give someone else a try and see if it is not the QB or system and not the receivers.

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=Defensewins;602968]This same critique is coming from several sources now, Cossell, ESPN and now NFL Network guys were saying the same thing yesterday.
I guess on film it is clear these two guys are not getting any separation from their defenders.
In my experiences I have found that guys that have weak or worn knees tend to have a problem cutting at full speed. I think both of these guys have had past knee problems?
I would like to see Marko get some reps with the first team in a game. These two jokers Kelly/Thomas have been given enough time to prove themselves. It is time to give someone else a try and see if it is not the QB or system and not the receivers.[/quote]

I agree. Yeah [I]someone[/I] on another thread pointed to the same analysis and singled out Campbell but failed to bring up this point in the conversation.

Like I said you can say Campbell is part of the problem but not the whole problem. So when you single out one person everytime its clear. You are a hater!! [URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/602900-post620.html[/URL][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/32242-campbells-numbers-dont-lie-42.html#post602900"][/URL]

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;602992]I agree. Yeah [I]someone[/I] on this thread pointed to the same analysis and singled out Campbell but failed to bring up this point in the conversation.

Like I said you can say Campbell is part of the problem but not the whole problem. S[B]o when you single out one person everytime its clear. You are a hater!![/B][/quote]

It's funny that some people think we're defending Campbell and saying that he's an elite QB or something along those lines.

Had JC played the second half as he did the first half, I would have been fine with all the criticism and demand for him to be benched. Do I say that he's an elite QB? No. Heck, I want him to be a game manager. And while he completely sucked in the first half (it was awful). He won the game in the second half.

The Redskins offensive problems go way beyond JC. However, right here, right now, he's the best option we have. That's not going to change and fans should hope for the best.

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=dmvskinzfan08;602963]Who is Jumpball Jesus? Kelly or Mitchell? ROTFL

That's funny!![/quote]
Marko Mitchell.

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[quote=jamf;603002]Marko Mitchell.[/quote]


LOL. I rather have "jump ball jesus" than "slow foot judas" at this point...LMAO

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;603005]LOL. I rather have "jump ball jesus" than "slow foot judas" at this point...LMAO[/quote]

I wonder how long until some religious person here goes off on a rant about these names.

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[quote=Ruhskins;603007]I wonder how long until some religious person here goes off on a rant about these names.[/quote]
We better watch out. They might come marching with pitchforks. Hey its alright to talk about Judas. Isn't it?...lmao

Sorry I am not trying to offend anyone. I didn't make up the moniker for Marko. lol.

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

i expect 0 from thomas but kelly's lack of production is surprising. he's got the size and talent to go over the middle (and the hands). is it his route running? unable to get open? very frustrating. I also don't understand why davis isn't being used more- he's too talented to be a bust.

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[quote=jamf;602957]The Redskins just cannot execute a respectable fade route. The last time it was in the playbook was in the Michael Westrbrook days and even then we only ran it once a year because he would tear up a knee coming down with the ball.

[B]I just don't understand what people see in Jumpball Jesus[/B]. He is tall and can probably jump but so can a million other people at home watching football.
I hope he works out but I'm not going to get my hopes up over a camp scrub, I did with Darnarian McCants, Tydus Winans, Leslie Sheppard, Jacques Green and the legendary Taylor Jacobs...[/quote]

I can't speak for anyone else but I can tell you what I see in him. A player who makes plays in GAMES, not just practice. They may have only been preseason games but that's all he's been called on and he's done better than MK or DT in them. I see a young guy making blocks down field his first year in the league. I also see a guy "getting it" a lot sooner than MK or DT have done. He has also "earned" his chance, not by his draft status, but by his work. All you can do is give the guy a chance and see how he does. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. If he were a high draft pick he'd probably already be playing.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;602865]I remember at the beginning of the season. All the football experts and analysts were saying a key to the Redskins season was one of the 2nd round pick receivers stepping up. At first the front runner was Thomas. The reports were that he worked with JC through out the off season to get better and more prepared for the season. Ironically, Kelly took over the second WR spot after hardly playing last year. Saying that, Kelly still hasn't showed all this ball snatching potential he was touted for in the off season. In preseason Marko really shined. Some say it was just preseason and that it doesn't translate to the regular season. But it seems that Kelly and Thomas have been no existent. I think that the coaching staff has really lost confidence in them. [I]As well as JC[/I].

On the pass that was intended for Kelly that ended up being a INT. I didn't see proper positioning and efffort in him going up for the ball. He went for it at an awkward angle and allowed a smaller DB force him to the sidelines before the play on the ball. This guy is 6'3 and didn't extend properly for a jump ball effort. That INT was on JC. But when you look at taller receivers like Calvin Johnson and Randy Moss. They go up and snatch the ball from smaller DBs. My thoughts were that was the reason we drafted him. I have also heard that he is not getting separation from the defenders.

[B]Is it premature to think that Mitchell should be bumped up on the depth chart since he has a nack for catching touchdowns and also has more speed for separation?[/B]

We wonder why our offense is looking the same as it has last year. Most of the blame has been on JC. But shouldn't the 2nd year WRs be held accountable also? They have been no existent. So basically my whole point is that we are back to where we were before we drafted them. [B]Moss Cooley[/B] [B]and[/B] [B]ARE as our options[/B]!! On that note Fred Davis has been non-existent also. So where do you think we should go from here. Please chime in...[/quote]

That play was VERY VERY SIMILAR to the one that Brandon Marshall had vs. DallASS

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[quote=SmootSmack;602890]From what I've seen this year there is no reason for Yoder to ever be on the field when Davis can be there instead (and I'm not just saying that because of Yoder's missed block yesterday). Davis is an effective blocker and can't emerge as a threat in the passing game if he's sitting on the sidelines. I was really questioning the decision to draft him but I think he may actually be the closest to making a significant impact.

Devin Thomas should be returning kicks, and I see him getting open but he's often the 4th (at best) option. Campbell just doesn't have the time to check off that many receivers. Until Moss or ARE is off this roster, it appears that Thomas' touches will most come somewhat unconventionally for a receiver (returns, reverses)

For all his height, Kelly really struggles with those fade or lob patterns. They should be throwing more passes over the middle to him. Catch, turn, and run.[/quote]

Davis missed a block too (badly). And I'm not sure how Yoder is supossed to block two people. That end guy is usually unaccounted for. It was just a good play be Ronde.

In terms of Kelly and Thomas, we've been playing from behind in every game and the tendency there is to get the ball to the people you trust (by both the HC and the QB). Kelly and Campbell don't seem to quite be in synch (this is essentially his rookie season) and Thomas hasn't been in that much as far as I can tell.

I was actually encouraged by yesterday. 16 points in two quarters is about as productive as they've been under Zorn. Jason needs to forget about his rating and being perfect and cautious and let the ball fly. Great QBs throw picks from time to time (Favre?) because you have to take risks. The margins are too close at the NFL level to have guys wide wide wide open all the time.

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[quote=SmootSmack;602890]From what I've seen this year there is no reason for Yoder to ever be on the field when Davis can be there instead (and I'm not just saying that because of Yoder's missed block yesterday). Davis is an effective blocker and can't emerge as a threat in the passing game if he's sitting on the sidelines. I was really questioning the decision to draft him but I think he may actually be the closest to making a significant impact.

Devin Thomas should be returning kicks, and I see him getting open but he's often the 4th (at best) option. Campbell just doesn't have the time to check off that many receivers. Until Moss or ARE is off this roster, it appears that Thomas' touches will most come somewhat unconventionally for a receiver (returns, reverses)

For all his height, Kelly really struggles with those fade or lob patterns. They should be throwing more passes over the middle to him. Catch, turn, and run.[/quote]Agreed. On all points.

Kelly is a player, but it hurts him that we're trying to use him as a deep threat that he just doesn't really have a skill set for. If Marko Mitchell can get down the field, our offense is probably fine in the long term. But Santana Moss STILL plays a role in the offense that can't be replaced. And with the way he started this season, it was troublesome. But Santana's here this year and next, and then who knows. Will we still have a deep threat? Depends.

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

Like I said before, there's nothing wrong with Malcolm Kelly's polish and route running abilities. He's just never going to get behind the safeties in his career.

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[quote=redskin4n;603070]That play was VERY VERY SIMILAR to the one that Brandon Marshall had vs. DallASS[/quote]

That is exactly what I was thinking and you see what Marshall did with that pass. Was it perfect. NO. But he made something out of it and attacked the ball. I see more of that type of attitude from Mitchell than I do from Kelly.

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[quote=GTripp0012;603100]Like I said before, there's nothing wrong with Malcolm Kelly's polish and route running abilities. He's just never going to get behind the safeties in his career.[/quote]

I was watching that again and thinking those would have been perfect routes for Thomas to be running instead of Kelly.