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[quote=Mattyk;659710]Going after Wilfork when we already have enough capable d-lineman would be extreme overkill.[/quote]

i agree i would rather see us go after Peppers and then sure up our offense in the draft. the only possitions i could say maybe look at are lb depth since we will be going to a 3-4 and some CB help. the rest BETTER be offensive help. i hope to see us take a lineman [read: Okung] with the number 4 pick over Bradford...i am not sold on that kid. we can wait and get someone like Kafka. Im fine with giving JC his shot and letting the rook hold the clipboard until they feel he is ready or if JC is really just struggling.

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I think getting Wilfork would be a waste of money but I would have no problem with Peppers. I have no problem paying unique players big money. Peppers is arguably the best pure athlete in the NFL. Carolina used to split him out as a reciever every now and then. Billy Packer questioned whether he was the best two way athlete in NCAA history. He played basketball as a hobby and would easily have been a first round pick.



The guy is absolutely a freak of nature. Also, I heard rumors he wanted to go to Dallas. I really don't want to see that...

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;659728]I think getting Wilfork would be a waste of money but I would have no problem with Peppers. I have no problem paying unique players big money. Peppers is arguably the best pure athlete in the NFL. Carolina used to split him out as a reciever every now and then. Billy Packer questioned whether he was the best two way athlete in NCAA history. He played basketball as a hobby and would easily have been a first round pick.



The guy is absolutely a freak of nature. Also, I heard rumors he wanted to go to Dallas. I really don't want to see that...[/quote]

They have spencer and of course ware, don't worry I highly highly doubt it would happen

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Some people are suggesting on other boards going after defense in FA and pick up offense in the draft. Peppers being one of the names thrown around. Go look at other teams sites also and you'll see the same comments seen here....."We gotta get Peppers", "Peppers would make us a whole lot better", "We need Peppers." LOL.
[url=http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=16511]The Texans need to go after Peppers ASAP - Houston Texans Message Boards[/url]

Here's some FA/RFA OT's:
[url=http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&yr=2010&nid=83&lnid=83&rc=16&pid=3]Scout.com: 2010 NFL Free Agency OT Rankings[/url]

FA/RFA OG's:
[url=http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&yr=2010&nid=83&lnid=83&rc=16&pid=6]Scout.com: 2010 NFL Free Agency OG Rankings[/url]

C's:
[url=http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&yr=2010&nid=83&lnid=83&rc=16&pid=9]Scout.com: 2010 NFL Free Agency C Rankings[/url]

I know we don't need any WR's, but I can't help wondering since there is no CAP and if we shed some big contracts what Antonio Bryant and Kevin Walter would look like on this team? I'd get rid of ARE and possibly Moss. Why not get younger here also since we are talking about it at RB? Could you see Bryant, Walter, Thomas, Kelly, Mitchell? I could. Both Bryant and Walter worked with Kyle Shanahan in the past. Plus he knows what they can do.

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^ And the top ranked FA QB? Drum roll please...........Jason Campbell! Someone tell me again why we should draft a QB with our #4 pick instead of Russell Okung?

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[quote=SBXVII;659732]Some people are suggesting on other boards going after defense in FA and pick up offense in the draft. Peppers being one of the names thrown around. Go look at other teams sites also and you'll see the same comments seen here....."We gotta get Peppers", "Peppers would make us a whole lot better", "We need Peppers." LOL.
[url=http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=16511]The Texans need to go after Peppers ASAP - Houston Texans Message Boards[/url]

Here's some FA/RFA OT's:
[url=http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&yr=2010&nid=83&lnid=83&rc=16&pid=3]Scout.com: 2010 NFL Free Agency OT Rankings[/url]

FA/RFA OG's:
[url=http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&yr=2010&nid=83&lnid=83&rc=16&pid=6]Scout.com: 2010 NFL Free Agency OG Rankings[/url]

C's:
[url=http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&yr=2010&nid=83&lnid=83&rc=16&pid=9]Scout.com: 2010 NFL Free Agency C Rankings[/url]

I know we don't need any WR's, but I can't help wondering since there is no CAP and if we shed some big contracts what Antonio Bryant and Kevin Walter would look like on this team? I'd get rid of ARE and possibly Moss. Why not get younger here also since we are talking about it at RB? Could you see Bryant, Walter, Thomas, Kelly, Mitchell? I could. Both Bryant and Walter worked with Kyle Shanahan in the past. Plus he knows what they can do.[/quote]

It seems like the top prospects on these three lists who are not RFAs are Chad Clifton (OT - Green Bay), Duke Preston (C - Dallas), and Chester Pitts (OG - Texans). I wonder if having K. Shanahan on staff would make it possible to get Pitts from the Texans.

Another Guard that we could pick up would be Ben Hamilton who plays with Denver. With McD purging all of Shanny's players, I'm sure they'll let him walk.

Looking at these three lists makes think that we need to pick up a first round lineman. A lot of the UFAs at the minimum have been on the league for 8 years, many of them are in their 30s. While we don't need a whole line of 21 year olds, I think we need our young stud lineman of the future.

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3 - 4 .... personally i dont like it and i think its a mistake.

cuz once again, Orakpo will more than likely NOT be on the line full time.

why can;t people just get it throught thier heads. play the F@3#$#N kid at his natural position if u want to maximize his out-put.

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[quote=Meks;659764]3 - 4 .... personally i dont like it and i think its a mistake.

cuz once again, Orakpo will more than likely NOT be on the line full time.

why can;t people just get it throught thier heads. play the F@3#$#N kid at his natural position if u want to maximize his out-put.[/quote]

How many of his sacks came from a LB position and how many came from him being on the Line? I've wondered this every time the argument has come up.

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[quote=53Fan;659747]^ And the top ranked FA QB? Drum roll please...........Jason Campbell! Someone tell me again why we should draft a QB with our #4 pick instead of Russell Okung?[/quote]Because JC is not a franchise-type QB. You rarely, if ever, get a chance to draft a franchise QB. If one falls to us (Clausen, yes / Bradford, no) then he must be taken. Otherwise Okung or whoever Shanahan/Allen feels is the best fit at LT, or trade down if we get good value for the pick.

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[quote=Bushead;659766]How many of his sacks came from a LB position and how many came from him being on the Line? I've wondered this every time the argument has come up.[/quote]The 4 against Oak, 1 at Det, and 1 vs Tampa were all from DE. I haven't been able to find info on the others.

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personally, i'm hoping we upgrade at EVERY position in FA so that we have atleast "serviceable" starters at every starting spot. This would allow us to enter the draft being able to draft BPA at each slot and also give us more freedom to trade up or down throughout the draft to fill as many needs as possible.

With that in mind, i would be perfectly happy if we sign a number of FAs who are in their 30s. We can't fill every glaring need on our roster with a draft pick this year, anyways. I'm fine picking up 3-4 zoneblocking linemen and a NT or LB in their 30s... as long as we don't trade any draft picks to get them. if we keep our picks, we'll have enough young depth to take over from the older players when they retire or become backups.

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peppers and wilfork will want serious cash, im guessin 3-5 yrs at 40-70 mil.
they are both at or near 30 and want to get atleast one more big pay day.

there is no way i could see us throwing that kind of loot around.

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JC should stay...if im correct its the last year on his contract...keep him one year and see how he pans out...i think there is only few on the board that feels like bradford will be a franchise qb...i dont agree and think he is too fragile...i would much rather draft okung and get a later qb (kafka, whom i like although i agree with slinging sammy that i believe that clausen is a better pick than bradford) and get the future rb and just try to find those starters we need thru free agency since we have an idea what will we get from them. rookies you never know...but if we draft guys that can sit for a year we can determine how they will fair as a starter in the future. it seems rare that a rook comes in and just takes the starting job and does great with it. i like the idea of sitting them for a year or working them slowly into the line up.

i think orakpo would be fine as an olb in a 3-4....he would have to work on his coverage skills a bit but i think hes athletic enough to make it work. i have high hopes for him. i dont feel like hes being wasted being set back to linebacker...no one has a problem with peppers as a lb. im not saying that orakpo is as athletic as peppers but hes not too far away either. i think he will be fine...and the stunts (if we decide to go with a steeler type 3-4) i think will only up his sack total and give him more opportunity to make big plays.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;659781]Because JC is not a franchise-type QB. You rarely, if ever, get a chance to draft a franchise QB. If one falls to us (Clausen, yes / Bradford, no) then he must be taken. Otherwise Okung or whoever Shanahan/Allen feels is the best fit at LT, or trade down if we get good value for the pick.[/quote]

You mean this guy Sammy? :)

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRgGpMhNb4E&NR=1]YouTube - Jimmy Clausen - Perfect Game?[/ame]

He has a hell of an arm.

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[quote=53Fan;659814]You mean this guy Sammy? :)

He has a hell of an arm.[/quote]He played well in that game....but who doesn't against HI in a bowl game LOL

I'm sure you've seen my posts supporting Clausen as the pick. IMHO, everything points to this guy being something special at the next level.