Re: Where was Keiland Williams???
 

[quote=30gut;763647]You have to run the ball with the RBs more then 9 times.
We have no idea how the running game would have panned out if we actually tried to run the ball.
We're an outside zone/outside edge running team (and the Vikings run weakness is on the edge w/ their Jared Allen and a back-up! LDE) yet we ran inside w/ our least experienced RB: James Davis when Keiland Williams was perfectly healthy.
But it either way 6 carries for James Davis and 3 carries for Keiland Williams is not enough to establish a running game.[/quote]

I saw nothing to make me think that more carries would have made a difference.

Keiland Williams is not a starting runningback in the NFL (he didn't even start in college). We do not have the personel on the line or in the backfield to have a legitimate running attack. We certainly don't have the players to run on Minnesota.

Re: Where was Keiland Williams???
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;763706]I saw nothing to make me think that more carries would have made a difference.

Keiland Williams is not a starting runningback in the NFL (he didn't even start in college). We do not have the personel on the line or in the backfield to have a legitimate running attack. We certainly don't have the players to run on Minnesota.[/quote]

He had good games against Philadelphia and Tennessee who have just as good of a D or better. By abandoning the run after 13 attempts you have no way of knowing or getting into a rhythm of the game.

Re: Where was Keiland Williams???
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;763706]I saw nothing to make me think that more carries would have made a difference.[/quote]
That could be said for the first carries of many 100+yard rushing efforts.

[quote]Keiland Williams is not a starting runningback in the NFL (he didn't even start in college). We do not have the personel on the line or in the backfield to have a legitimate running attack. We certainly don't have the players to run on Minnesota.[/quote]

This is a defeatist post.
Keiland Williams isn't some washed up journeyman that's never been able to get it done.
He's a rookie, a rookie who has shown well in his limited action this season.

Also lets not act like the Vikings cannot be run on.
The Bears OL is worse then ours yet they were able to run the ball against the Vikings.
They ran the ball [B][I]32[/I][/B] times for 102 yards.

Re: Where was Keiland Williams???
 

[quote=30gut;763726]That could be said for the first carries of many 100+yard rushing efforts.



This is a defeatist post.
Keiland Williams isn't some washed up journeyman that's never been able to get it done.
He's a rookie, a rookie who has shown well in his limited action this season.

Also lets not act like the Vikings cannot be run on.
The Bears OL is worse then ours yet they were able to run the ball against the Vikings.
They ran the ball [B][I]32[/I][/B] times for 102 yards.[/quote]

THANK YOU !!! :food-smil

Re: Where was Keiland Williams???
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;763721]He had good games against Philadelphia and Tennessee who have just as good of a D or better. By abandoning the run after 13 attempts you have no way of knowing or getting into a rhythm of the game.[/quote]

His yards against Philly were meaningless.

We had a different line vs the Titans. Yesterday's line wasn't getting 100 yards. You think Mike Shanahan doesn't want to run the ball? He knew that it wasn't going to happen.

Re: Where was Keiland Williams???
 

I thought that folks here were convinced there was gold to be mined on the Skins' practice squad and all that was needed was for the coaching staff to take off their blinders and give those guys a chance.

Davis even tweeted that the team had "taken the handcuffs off the beast".
[INDENT]1. He's no beast.

2. If he had handcuffs on, he might not have dropped that pass in the 4th quarter that hit nim between his numbers.[/INDENT]There is a reason he was on the practice squad; we saw it on snday.

Re: Where was Keiland Williams???
 

[quote=30gut;763726]That could be said for the first carries of many 100+yard rushing efforts.



This is a defeatist post.
Keiland Williams isn't some washed up journeyman that's never been able to get it done.
He's a rookie, a rookie who has shown well in his limited action this season.

Also lets not act like the Vikings cannot be run on.
The Bears OL is worse then ours yet they were able to run the ball against the Vikings.
They ran the ball [B][I]32[/I][/B] times for 102 yards.[/quote]


Am I supposed to be waving pom poms right now? We have virtually no chance of making the playoffs. We will be lucky to split against the Giants. If we make 8-8 it would be a tremendous accomplishment.

The Bears have two runningbacks who are head and shoulders ahead of anything we have.

Kevin Sheehan basically said that James Davis is a lot better than Williams. Davis was collecting shopping carts a few days ago.

There is a reason that guys like Marcus Mason, Keiland Williams and Rock Cartwright never get past emergency starter status.

Re: Where was Keiland Williams???
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;763737]I thought that folks here were convinced there was gold to be mined on the Skins' practice squad and all that was needed was for the coaching staff to take off their blinders and give those guys a chance.

Davis even tweeted that the team had "taken the handcuffs off the beast".
[INDENT]1. He's no beast.

2. If he had handcuffs on, he might not have dropped that pass in the 4th quarter that hit nim between his numbers.[/INDENT]There is a reason he was on the practice squad; we saw it on snday.[/quote]

Do we forget that this is his first game since the September?

Re: Where was Keiland Williams???
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;763740]Do we forget that this is his first game since the September?[/quote]

I am shocked that people honestly believe that Williams is a difference maker in the NFL. He is so freakin' slow.

The Redskins are definitely bottom half in overall talent. I think that the coaches deserve some credit for actually making the Redskins competitive. That being said, the coaches have made plenty of mistakes too but the Redskins team that took the field yesterday is not very talented.

Re: Where was Keiland Williams???
 

The point is the pass rush was directed at McNabb. The Vikes were not worried about the running game, because a running game did not exist. So they were able to focus primarily on McNabb which also closed down the passing game. We were so one dimensional that any defensive coach with half a brain could figure out. Even a rookie HC.

I believe if we had more rush attempts, odds are, the way they were pass rushing, we would have broke at least a few off big. Or at worse, took some pressure off our QB.

Re: Where was Keiland Williams???
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;763738]Am I supposed to be waving pom poms right now? We have virtually no chance of making the playoffs. We will be lucky to split against the Giants. If we make 8-8 it would be a tremendous accomplishment.[/quote]
You can do whatever you like.
But when you say that we can't run the ball against the Vikings my reply is 9 carries is not enough to know.

[quote]The Bears have two runningbacks who are head and shoulders ahead of anything we have.[/quote]
You're begging the point the Bears OL is suspect its worse then our OL.
But they actually tried to run the ball.
I'm not saying Keiland Williams and James Davis are on the same level as Forte/Chester Taylor but Williams has shown well in his limited appearances.
And Williams have shown that he can put his head down and churn out some tough yards not unlike Toby Gerhart.

If you want to write off our RBs because of game where they had 6 and 3 carries a piece your more then welcome

But, it just isn't logical.


[quote]Kevin Sheehan basically said that James Davis is a lot better than Williams. Davis was collecting shopping carts a few days ago.[/quote]
So?
Kevin Sheehan is a man with an opinion no different then you or me.
I would argue that i would give Sheehan a run for his money when it comes to football.

Re: Where was Keiland Williams???
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;763738]Am I supposed to be waving pom poms right now? We have virtually no chance of making the playoffs. We will be lucky to split against the Giants. If we make 8-8 it would be a tremendous accomplishment.

The Bears have two runningbacks who are head and shoulders ahead of anything we have.

Kevin Sheehan basically said that James Davis is a lot better than Williams. Davis was collecting shopping carts a few days ago.

There is a reason that guys like Marcus Mason, Keiland Williams and Rock Cartwright never get past emergency starter status.[/quote]

Watching Keiland all through college and the way he's played with the limited opportunities he's been given would tell me that he could be a productive member of this team. And if Kevin Sheehan said that about Davis>Williams then he's retarted.

Re: Where was Keiland Williams???
 

[quote=30gut;763821]You can do whatever you like.
But when you say that we can't run the ball against the Vikings my reply is 9 carries is not enough to know.


You're begging the point the Bears OL is suspect its worse then our OL.
But they actually tried to run the ball.
I'm not saying Keiland Williams and James Davis are on the same level as Forte/Chester Taylor but Williams has shown well in his limited appearances.
And Williams have shown that he can put his head down and churn out some tough yards not unlike Toby Gerhart.

If you want to write off our RBs because of game where they had 6 and 3 carries a piece your more then welcome

But, it just isn't logical.



So?
Kevin Sheehan is a man with an opinion no different then you or me.
I would argue that i would give Sheehan a run for his money when it comes to football.[/quote]


I am writing off our running game based off of an 11 game body of work along with the fact that we are now dealing with a banged up line and our 3rd and 4th running backs. To think that we have a legitimate running game with these pieces isn't logical.

Keiland Williams is a band-aid, not a bell cow. I wish he was the next T. Davis but it isn't happening.

Re: Where was Keiland Williams???
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;763842]I am writing off our running game based off of an 11 game body of work along with the fact that we are now dealing with a banged up line and our 3rd and 4th running backs. To think that we have a legitimate running game with these pieces isn't logical.[/quote]

Even if in your view we don't have a 'legitimate running game' the answer isn't to stop trying.
That is not sound football logic.
Wether you're having early success or not you've got to run the ball.
You have to find ways to make your running game work.
That's the job of the coaches.
That's one aspect of Kyle's gameplanning and playcalling that irks me.
He is quick to give up on the run.
Even going back to the Texans, Kyle's offenses didn't run the ball well and now that Kyle's gone they have one of the top running games in the league led by Arian Foster a college back-up RB from their practice squad.

When your RBs get 9 carries over the course of an entire game its a mistake.
If you think giving up on the run is sound football logic then we have nothing more to discuss.


HTTR!
:food-smil

Re: Where was Keiland Williams???
 

[quote=30gut;763850]Even if in your view we don't have a 'legitimate running game' the answer isn't to stop trying.
That is not sound football logic.
Wether you're having early success or not you've got to run the ball.
You have to find ways to make your running game work.
That's the job of the coaches.
That's one aspect of Kyle's gameplanning and playcalling that irks me.
He is quick to give up on the run.
Even going back to the Texans, Kyle's offenses didn't run the ball well and now that Kyle's gone they have one of the top running games in the league led by Arian Foster a college back-up RB from their practice squad.

When your RBs get 9 carries over the course of an entire game its a mistake.
If you think giving up on the run is sound football logic then we have nothing more to discuss.


HTTR!
:food-smil[/quote]

I agree with you but to be fair Arian Foster wasn't a backup in college.