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[quote=Shadowbyte;791212]I don't think so either. I think he want's to have a healthy mix of seasoned vets and younger players like he did during his SB runs in Denver.[/quote]

That is rebuilding...isn't it? Rebuilding doesn't have to be a whole roster of 22 year old guys who grow together for 5 years and then get good. He is going to pretty much overturn the entire roster and fill it with more youth and older players STILL in their prime. That is rebuilding...

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[quote=celts32;791238]That is rebuilding...isn't it? [B]Rebuilding doesn't have to be a whole roster of 22 year old guys who grow together for 5 years and then get good.[/B] He is going to pretty much overturn the entire roster and fill it with more youth and older players STILL in their prime. That is rebuilding...[/quote]

To the rational and logical fan, yes

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[quote=skinsfaninok;791207]Shanny doesn't want to rebuild IMO that's the vibe I get when I read his quotes or his interviews[/quote]

Hence the McNabb trade. I really wish he changed that attitude.

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[quote=Ruhskins;791267]Hence the McNabb trade. I really wish he changed that attitude.[/quote]


He won't he's older and doesn't want to rebuild which is why you hear Vince Young, Alex Smith being mentioned instead of just going w REX/Rookie

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Just a reminder, Alex Smith speculation is just that. Speculation that I and a few others have based on what we think Shanahan would be interested in, not based on any information that I or anyone else has.

Vince Young, on the other hand...

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^^ You have to finish the sentence! I've been staring at the page waiting for the ending to appear and its not working.

PS, no matter who we get, FA, drafted rookie, or none of the above, we are not going to have the pieces, especially at QB, to make much noise as it is. Sure QB is one of if not the most important positions on the field, but with everything else being what it is, it doesn't make much difference anyway.

I don't know why some people act like getting a FA acquisition at QB will make a difference and put us back in contention next year. It won't. Fill the needs we have in the draft and FA, trade down if we can, and build for the future. None of these QB's are worth trading for.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;791268]He won't he's older and doesn't want to rebuild which is why you hear Vince Young, Alex Smith being mentioned instead of just going w REX/Rookie[/quote]

Rex doesn't get mentioned in the plans because he's Rex.

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[quote=celts32;791238]That is rebuilding...isn't it? Rebuilding doesn't have to be a whole roster of 22 year old guys who grow together for 5 years and then get good. He is going to pretty much overturn the entire roster and fill it with more youth and older players STILL in their prime. That is rebuilding...[/quote]

My definition of rebuilding is Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys, Bill Parcell's Patriots, Mike McCarthy's Packers, Raheem Morris's Buc's, Sean Peytons Saint's, Bill Polian's Colts. The nucleus of these teams were all young drafted players, with a few vets to provide some leadership and experience. That's the route I would like to see the Redskins go. All of these teams drafted their starting QB, starting WR, starting RB, and O-lineman.

They didn't sign an old QB, a no-name undrafted RB, a WR from the arena league, and hand me down o-lineman. Anyone who thinks our recent course of action is rational is beyond idiotic.

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People are begging for Orton & at one time he sucked, a change of scenery did him good maybe it would do the same for Smith or VY.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;791303]My definition of rebuilding is Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys, Bill Parcell's Patriots, Mike McCarthy's Packers, Raheem Morris's Buc's, Sean Peytons Saint's, Bill Polian's Colts. The nucleus of these teams were all young drafted players, with a few vets to provide some leadership and experience. That's the route I would like to see the Redskins go. All of these teams drafted their starting QB, starting WR, starting RB, and O-lineman.

They didn't sign an old QB, a no-name undrafted RB, a WR from the arena league, and hand me down o-lineman. Anyone who thinks our recent course of action is rational is beyond idiotic.[/quote]

What you describe is the more traditional way of rebuilding but if you turn over an entire roster in a couple of years that by definition is rebuilding. In this era of the NFL very few teams rebuild 100% through the draft. The packers may be the only team in that category since they are publically owned and rarely ever participate in free agency.

Most teams now adays use a combination of draft and free agency and the teams you mentioned panned out in large part becasue they hit on young QB's in the draft which is something I hope the Redskins can do. However, with the way the draft has been neglected in DC for a decade you better settle in for a 7 year wait if you want Shanny to rebuild this roster entirely through the draft. A more realistic scenario is using the draft plus some under 30 free agents to boost the overall talent level and hopefully get competitive in the short term and then over time sustain it with a more draft oriented approach.

One thing...Brees was a free agent so the Saints don't really help make your case.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;791303]My definition of rebuilding is Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys, Bill Parcell's Patriots, Mike McCarthy's Packers, Raheem Morris's Buc's, Sean Peytons Saint's, Bill Polian's Colts. The nucleus of these teams were all young drafted players, with a few vets to provide some leadership and experience. That's the route I would like to see the Redskins go. [B]All of these teams drafted their starting QB[/B], starting WR, starting RB, and O-lineman.

They didn't sign an old QB, a no-name undrafted RB, a WR from the arena league, and hand me down o-lineman. Anyone who thinks our recent course of action is rational is beyond idiotic.[/quote]

The Saints drafted Drew Brees? That is news to the Chargers.

I think that all of the teams you listed (especially Parcells' Patriots) relied on vets more than you give them credit for.

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[quote=celts32;791335]What you describe is the more traditional way of rebuilding but if you turn over an entire roster in a couple of years that by definition is rebuilding. In this era of the NFL very few teams rebuild 100% through the draft. The packers may be the only team in that category since they are publically owned and rarely ever participate in free agency.

Most teams now adays use a combination of draft and free agency and the teams you mentioned panned out in large part becasue they hit on young QB's in the draft which is something I hope the Redskins can do. However, with the way the draft has been neglected in DC for a decade you better settle in for a 7 year wait if you want Shanny to rebuild this roster entirely through the draft. A more realistic scenario is using the draft plus some under 30 free agents to boost the overall talent level and hopefully get competitive in the short term and then over time sustain it with a more draft oriented approach.

[B]One thing...Brees was a free agent so the Saints don't really help make your case.[/B][/quote]

Sorry, missed that at first.

Your comments are spot on.

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[quote=celts32;791335]What you describe is the more traditional way of rebuilding but if you turn over an entire roster in a couple of years that by definition is rebuilding. In this era of the NFL very few teams rebuild 100% through the draft. The packers may be the only team in that category since they are publically owned and rarely ever participate in free agency.

Most teams now adays use a combination of draft and free agency and the teams you mentioned panned out in large part becasue they hit on young QB's in the draft which is something I hope the Redskins can do. However, with the way the draft has been neglected in DC for a decade you better settle in for a 7 year wait if you want Shanny to rebuild this roster entirely through the draft. A more realistic scenario is using the draft plus some under 30 free agents to boost the overall talent level and hopefully get competitive in the short term and then over time sustain it with a more draft oriented approach.

One thing...Brees was a free agent so the Saints don't really help make your case.[/quote]

With the exception of Brees everything I laid out was spot on. I can easily replace the Saints and make my case with the Steelers. They took Roethlisberger, Heath Miller, Rashard Mendenhall, Santonio Holmes(yes I know Holmes was traded, but he did help them win a SB), Pouncey, in rounds 1, and took Mike Wallace and Emmanuel Sanders in rounds 3, and Aaron Brown in round 6. Notice none of them are free agents, all performed extremely well in the post-season.

I'm not saying what you're advocating is wrong, I would just prefer the Redskins to build their nucleus through the draft, especially our offense like the teams I mentioned did. I'm not against signing young free-agents like Sidney Rice and Jason Jones, but unrestricted free-agents with that ability at that age is extremely rare, so we can't depend on filling our holes through FA's.

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Palmer

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I cant believe anyone would even choose Young. He's just not a pro QB. I picked Palmer over Kolb because Palmer has proven to be a solid NFL QB working under the worst coach at any level of football.