Re: Haynesworth to the Patriots for a 5th rounder.
 

[quote=Ruhskins;815004]He won't dominate, but Darth Hoody will get a lot out of him, and if not he will cut him. NE has had bigger trouble head cases before and knows how to deal with them, they also do the best job at getting the best out of a player and scheme around their abilities. Of course this all depends if AH has anything left in him after two years of mediocrity.[/quote]

That's my point. He's been mediocre for two years. The players people often point to are on the offensive side of the ball re: Moss, Dillon. I can't think of a veteran defensive acquisition that turned into a Pro Bowler up there.

Re: Haynesworth to the Patriots for a 5th rounder.
 

Do I think he deserved to sit on the bench? Yup. Am I glad we didn't trade him to Philly? Yup. Bottom line, however, I'm just glad we, the fans, don't have to hear about him anymore. I'd have been happy to let him ride the bench, I'd been happy to trade him to Cinci for a ham sandwich, I'd have been happy with any outcome that means I don't have to listen to the media, the fans, or anyone else bitch about AH.

We got a pick for him when it looked like we were getting nothing. The distraction is gone. If he tears it up for NE for while, fine. Whatever. At least now we don't have to start every thread with "How will it affect Haynesworth? / Keeping Haynesworth takes up a roster spot! / Shanny an ass b/c he is keeping Haynesworth / blah, blah Haynesworth blah, blah."!!

He will be motivated by his anger, for a while, then he will suck his thumb. Belichek will push his buttons for a while and get him to play at a high level, but like Randy Moss (and as Matty said) soon enough he will be sucking his thumb and pouting. When we play them, just run the other way, run a draw or two, and throw a few screens over his head - soon enough, he'll get tired of all the running around, fall down and just choose not to get up.

Re: Haynesworth to the Patriots for a 5th rounder.
 

I hope it's a conditional pick. This team always gets the stort end of the stick with trades.

Re: Haynesworth to the Patriots for a 5th rounder.
 

[quote=12thMan;815011]That's my point. He's been mediocre for two years. The players people often point to are on the offensive side of the ball re: Moss, Dillon. I can't think of a veteran defensive acquisition that turned into a Pro Bowler up there.[/quote]

Well Moss was pretty mediocre in Oakland. I doubt he'd be turn into a Pro Bowler. Darth Hoody will make him work and if not he will cut him, it's that simple.

Re: Haynesworth to the Patriots for a 5th rounder.
 

[quote=GTripp0012;814994]Agree. This was an obvious Patriots rip-off.

[B]While there is obvious hidden value in keeping him out of the division, the belief in such value is an admission that the player in question makes any defensive front better. [/B] It was kind of like the Favre saga of 2008: the Packers eventually did get value on him, but if they really believed in Aaron Rodgers, they should have just released Favre and let him go to Minnesota. Problem was: they didn't really believe in Aaron Rodgers, they just believed Favre was done or near done.

[B]If the Redskins really believed they were right that Haynesworth creates more problems for a defensive scheme than he solves, they should have released him and let Philadelphia take him. But obviously, they did not believe that. And this was a sell low job with that contract[/B].[/quote]

I disagree. It is simply a recognition Philly's system would work better for Haynesworth and a recognition of AH's twisted mentality.

We new what system we wanted to run and are building to it. It is a system that AH would NEVER excel in as more than a role player. On the other hand, Philly runs, and has already built, a system conducive to Haynesworth's skill set with a DL coach who got the most out of him.

On top of that, although not motivated by money, AH has a twisted sense of self worth and, when he feels he has been treated with disrespect, he either runs in the corner and pouts or plays like a beast. In a system where he can take out his frustrations and, literally, be the big man on a small team, it is more likely he would have played like a beast - particularly against us.

Why put him in a situation where he may excel against us? I got no problem not trading him to Philly, the team that probably values him the most. It is a recognition of the realities involved not an admission that we should have accomodated AH while he was here.

Again, we got something for a nothing - just like in the Jarmon & McNabb trades.

Thank God he is gone and Good F'ing riddance. I shall do my best never to type about that big fat lazy good-for-nothing warped little cry-baby a**hole again!

Re: Haynesworth to the Patriots for a 5th rounder.
 

Even now I'm so tired of talking about this guy, and going by Rak's comments a couple days ago I think this will be a huge weight off the team's shoulders. Good riddance.

Re: Haynesworth to the Patriots for a 5th rounder.
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;815027]I disagree. It is simply a recognition Philly's system would work better for Haynesworth and a recognition of AH's twisted mentality.

We new what system we wanted to run and are building to it. It is a system that AH would NEVER excel in as more than a role player. On the other hand, Philly runs, and has already built, a system conducive to Haynesworth's skill set with a DL coach who got the most out of him.

On top of that, although not motivated by money, AH has a twisted sense of self worth and, when he feels he has been treated with disrespect, he either runs in the corner and pouts or plays like a beast. In a system where he can take out his frustrations and, literally, be the big man on a small team, it is more likely he would have played like a beast - particularly against us.

Why put him in a situation where he may excel against us? I got no problem not trading him to Philly, the team that probably values him the most. It is a recognition of the realities involved not an admission that we should have accomodated AH while he was here.

Again, we got something for a nothing - just like in the Jarmon & McNabb trades.

Thank God he is gone and Good F'ing riddance. I shall do my best never to type about that big fat lazy good-for-nothing warped little cry-baby a**hole again![/quote]

Very good post.

Re: Haynesworth to the Patriots for a 5th rounder.
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;815027]I disagree. It is simply a recognition Philly's system would work better for Haynesworth and a recognition of AH's twisted mentality.

We new what system we wanted to run and are building to it. It is a system that AH would NEVER excel in as more than a role player. On the other hand, Philly runs, and has already built, a system conducive to Haynesworth's skill set with a DL coach who got the most out of him.

On top of that, although not motivated by money, AH has a twisted sense of self worth and, when he feels he has been treated with disrespect, he either runs in the corner and pouts or plays like a beast. In a system where he can take out his frustrations and, literally, be the big man on a small team, it is more likely he would have played like a beast - particularly against us.

Why put him in a situation where he may excel against us? I got no problem not trading him to Philly, the team that probably values him the most. It is a recognition of the realities involved not an admission that we should have accomodated AH while he was here.

Again, we got something for a nothing - just like in the Jarmon & McNabb trades.

Thank God he is gone and Good F'ing riddance. I shall do my best never to type about that big fat lazy good-for-nothing warped little cry-baby a**hole again![/quote]I still believe that the Redskins could and should have gotten an elite player out of an elite player. And my big point was: that the Redskins clearly agreed with you about Haynesworth. That's why they didn't let him got to Philly and come and dominate us twice a year for the next two years.

It's just all very disappointing in the end. I think saying we had nothing in Haynesworth is true in the nominal sense, but the Redskins have no one to blame but themselves from that. Unfortunately, "themselves" starts with Cerrato/Zorn/Sherm Smith, and finished with Shanahan/Allen/Haslett. Lots of people to blame for this trade, every one of them part of the Redskins coaching staff or management.

Haynesworth is responsible for being despised by his Redskin teammates, but that shouldn't have affected his trade value much.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;815031]Even now I'm so tired of talking about this guy, and going by Rak's comments a couple days ago I think this will be a huge weight off the team's shoulders. Good riddance.[/QUOTE]

We need to enact "Proposition 92"

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Redskins DL situation is shaping up. You have Cofield (and probably Cullen Jenkins) on the way in. You have Vonnie Holliday, Adam Carriker, and Jarvis Jenkins at the ends. And Anthony Bryant and Kemoeatu at the tackles.

There might be room for either Kedric Golston or Darrion Scott at this position as well. But once Jenkins is brought in, this position looks pretty settled.

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;815055]Redskins DL situation is shaping up. You have Cofield (and probably Cullen Jenkins) on the way in. You have Vonnie Holliday, Adam Carriker, and Jarvis Jenkins at the ends. And Anthony Bryant and Kemoeatu at the tackles.

There might be room for either Kedric Golston or Darrion Scott at this position as well. But once Jenkins is brought in, this position looks pretty settled.[/QUOTE]

GTripp, who would you play at NT, Cofield or Jenkins?

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Re: Haynesworth to the Patriots for a 5th rounder.
 

[quote=GTripp0012;815055]Redskins DL situation is shaping up. You have Cofield (and probably Cullen Jenkins) on the way in. You have Vonnie Holliday, Adam Carriker, and Jarvis Jenkins at the ends. And Anthony Bryant and Kemoeatu at the tackles.

There might be room for either Kedric Golston or Darrion Scott at this position as well. But once Jenkins is brought in, this position looks pretty settled.[/quote]

Technically we don't have tackles in a 3-4 scheme. Although I know we play that from time to time.

Re: Haynesworth to the Patriots for a 5th rounder.
 

i liked mcnabb, but he became a distraction just with the way things worked out, so ditching him, AH, and rabach pretty much eliminates the top 3 targets of fan complaints.

and we got some picks from guys we weren't going to keep and some cap room - so great job! not as good as not making the mistakes in the first place, but better late than never...

Re: Haynesworth to the Patriots for a 5th rounder.
 

[quote=Ruhskins;815061]GTripp, who would you play at NT, Cofield or Jenkins?

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Don't forget about Chris Neild. I think that kid could turn into a really good NT.

Re: Haynesworth to the Patriots for a 5th rounder.
 

[quote=Ruhskins;815061]GTripp, who would you play at NT, Cofield or Jenkins?

Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G.[/quote]Well, the positions are basically the same. You're either head up over the tackles or head up over the center.

It's really important to control the line of scrimmage. Neither Jenkins or Cofield is really that kind of player, but they're both clearly starters in this league, and on this team in particular.