Re: What is the 2nd overall pick worth?
 

[quote=celts32;890397]Everything you say makes sense in theory but the Redskins don't really have the luxury to call someones bluff and be wrong.[/quote]Sure they can.

I mean, you're right if the lose out as a result of recklessness instead of something more organic. I don't think any player is so important you absolutely can't win without him.

I mean, Stephen Bowen probably isn't as good of a player as Cullen Jenkins, but that's a bluff the Redskins called. Now instead of paying too much for Jenkins, we're paying too much for Bowen. The need was still filled though.

If they're going to gamble on the RG3 compensation, they'll almost certainly do it with Tannehill as a fallback plan. And the Rams will be well aware of that, as they'll have far more to lose than the Redskins do.

The Redskins are probably out of chances to get it wrong, but it's not like RG3 comes with a guarantee of success. The Redskins could win on draft day and lose during the season. Or they could call a bluff, lose on draft day, and improve a lot and win during the season. The offseason championship is only loosely correlated with the NFC East championship.

Re: What is the 2nd overall pick worth?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;890409]Sure they can.

I mean, you're right if the lose out as a result of recklessness instead of something more organic. I don't think any player is so important you absolutely can't win without him.

I mean, Stephen Bowen probably isn't as good of a player as Cullen Jenkins, but that's a bluff the Redskins called. Now instead of paying too much for Jenkins, we're paying too much for Bowen. The need was still filled though.

If they're going to gamble on the RG3 compensation, they'll almost certainly do it with Tannehill as a fallback plan. And the Rams will be well aware of that, as they'll have far more to lose than the Redskins do.

The Redskins are probably out of chances to get it wrong, but it's not like RG3 comes with a guarantee of success. The Redskins could win on draft day and lose during the season. Or they could call a bluff, lose on draft day, and improve a lot and win during the season. The offseason championship is only loosely correlated with the NFC East championship.[/quote]

Suppose the Redskins believe that RG3 has a great chance to be a franchise QB. And while they like Tannehill they think he is a notch below that and will likely never be more then a good QB. Knowing that's how all the Redskins scouts and decision makers think would you still want to proceed with your passive plan?

Re: What is the 2nd overall pick worth?
 

[quote=celts32;890413]Suppose the Redskins believe that RG3 has a great chance to be a franchise QB. And while they like Tannehill they think he is a notch below that and will likely never be more then a good QB. Knowing that's how all the Redskins scouts and decision makers think would you still want to proceed with your passive plan?[/quote]Nothing is passive about knowing how to gauge the market and make the best offer.

If they like Tannehill but think/know that he will never be more than a good quarterback, then they should take Cousins or Foles or whoever they believe they can do more with.

You can't force the Rams to trade the RG3 pick. You can only make best offer and put the ball in their court. The difference between your opinion and mine is that I don't think adding more picks to the optimal trade value makes a "better" offer. It makes it worse.

Re: What is the 2nd overall pick worth?
 

[quote=SBXVII;890364]I'm speachless.[/quote]

LOL why?

Re: What is the 2nd overall pick worth?
 

[quote=celts32;890413]they think he is a notch below that and will likely never be more then a good QB.[/quote]I can't imagine why the Redskins staff or [I]any[/I] staff would think that way about any prospect they want to draft.
No staff drafts a player, especially a QB, with the thought that 'he'll likely never be more then a good QB'
That's media/fan think not coach think.
I'm sure coach think is more along the lines of: when I get prospect X and teach prospect X skill A, B and C he could really become enter desired outcome here: franchise QB, pro bowl player etc.

Re: What is the 2nd overall pick worth?
 

[quote=30gut;890464]I can't imagine why the Redskins staff or [I]any[/I] staff would think that way about any prospect they want to draft.
No staff drafts a player, especially a QB, with the thought that 'he'll likely never be more then a good QB'
That's media/fan think not coach think.
I'm sure coach think is more along the lines of: when I get prospect X and teach prospect X skill A, B and C he could really become enter desired outcome here: franchise QB, pro bowl player etc.[/quote]

Why'd you pull just that part of his post?

Re: What is the 2nd overall pick worth?
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;890421]LOL why?[/quote]

I think it was the first sentence of the second paragraph. Its pretty much half the sentiment here on this board. I'm not one though and I guess I just have trouble wrapping my brain around the idea of get him at whatever the cost when this team has done that with the previous regime for 10yrs without success and for the last 2 done the opposite and everyone is so desperate to have a "franchise" QB that they would be willing to do anything and everything just to get it.

Re: What is the 2nd overall pick worth?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;890467]Why'd you pull just that part of his post?[/quote]Because I don't understand that part of his supposition, I don't think teams view prospects that they actually want to draft in the manner he described there.

Re: What is the 2nd overall pick worth?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;890377]Is McCoy the arm and Shipley the leg? Cleverly played, my friend[/quote]

You and I think so alike. If I were a QB, I would like to have you as my main receiver. Just like the McCoy-Shipley team for redskins offense.

Re: What is the 2nd overall pick worth?
 

[quote=iamsrk;890648]You and I think so alike. If I were a QB, I would like to have you as my main receiver. Just like the McCoy-Shipley team for redskins offense.[/quote]

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Re: What is the 2nd overall pick worth?
 

This years 1st, next years 1st and 2nd, and as many 4th rounders as they want. I don't count on 4th rounders to even make the team, but they are probably depth if they do. We have depth quality players, we need stars, particularly a star qb. 1st and 2nd rounders ideally are starters, but there is a fair chance that we would whiff on one of those next year, not because we suck, just because it happens and we might be due. So in this package, chances are we'd be giving up one future starter, which we can make up for in FA.
Furthermore, I'd consider spending a 1st or 2nd on a mediocre qb akin to giving up a starter and setting us back 3-4 years.
This all makes sense only if RG3 is the real deal, and I believe 100% that he is. In addition to being a world class athlete, he is brilliant, and a leader, which is something you cant put a price on. He'd make the whole team play with more confidence.
I don't know who the Giants lost out on to trade up for Eli, but they've got two rings with him, while we've been sitting at home nearly every January.