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[quote=Defensewins;900923]Well Cam Newton had a better rookie year then Elway's rookie year. Cam threw for 4,0510 yards and scored an amazing 35 TD's in his rookie year and rushed 706 yards averaging 5.6 yards a carry. Those are insane rookie numbers, better then Elway's. I guess that would make Cam Newton a better pro prospect then Elway.?.? Kidding.[/quote]

We're talking pre-draft evaluations. How scouts view them coming into the draft. Once they take the field they're no longer draft prospects.

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[quote=Mattyk;900917]Their measurables are pretty close, I'd give the edge to Cam for his arm strength, and the edge to Luck for his decision making and overall grasp of a pro-style offense.[/quote]Most of the elite QB prospects measureables are pretty close though.
Assessing the differences of the top QB prospects basically amounts to splitting hairs.
But for me its Cam size coupled with his athleticism that makes him rare and set him apart: elite arm strength, elite athleticism, elite size.
I agree that Luck is by far more 'pro-ready' but being 'pro-ready' is a coachable trait and the advantage of pro-readiness may not last past training camp.

I don't even know what this discussion is about anymore.
*shrugs*

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[quote=Dirtbag59;900926]We're talking pre-draft evaluations. How scouts view them coming into the draft. Once they take the field they're no longer draft prospects.[/quote]I think its fair to say that evaluators are often wrong.
And thankfully for the Panthers their talent evaluators were right.
I think Cam proved many of the pre-draft evaluations wrong.

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[quote=30gut;900931]I think its fair to say that evaluators are often wrong.
And thankfully for the Panthers their talent evaluators were right.
I think Cam proved many of the pre-draft evaluations wrong.[/quote]

Of course they're often wrong, but on draft day they're kind of the only thing that matters.

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[quote=30gut;900929]Most of the elite QB prospects measureables are pretty close though.
Assessing the differences of the top QB prospects basically amounts to splitting hairs.
But for me its Cam size coupled with his athleticism that makes him rare and set him apart: elite arm strength, elite athleticism, elite size.
I agree that Luck is by far more 'pro-ready' but being 'pro-ready' is a coachable trait and the advantage of pro-readiness may not last past training camp.

I don't even know what this discussion is about anymore.
*shrugs*[/quote]

Agree with what you said on Cam, he's definitely a freak, but a year ago at this time not so many were convinced Cam was going to translate well to the pro game, at least as well as he did.

Funny that we've gotten to the point where we're trying to talk up Luck of all guys. Even if he's a notch below Cam, he's going to be a heck of a player.

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Saw that video before how can you not like this young man.

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[quote=Mattyk;900934]Agree with what you said on Cam, he's definitely a freak, but a year ago at this time not so many were convinced Cam was going to translate well to the pro game, at least as well as he did.

Funny that we've gotten to the point where we're trying to talk up Luck of all guys. Even if he's a notch below Cam, he's going to be a heck of a player.[/quote]Like with any evalution some peole were right some were wrong.
I recall Gil Brandt, Mayock and Howie Long off the top of my head were advocates of Newton.

One of my favorite Luck traits are his pocket presence which allows him to seamlessly transitions from a broken play into a playmaker and his consistency in the midst of constant media whirlwind.

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[quote=Mattyk;900934]Agree with what you said on Cam, he's definitely a freak, but a year ago at this time not so many were convinced Cam was going to translate well to the pro game, at least as well as he did.

Funny that we've gotten to the point where we're trying to talk up Luck of all guys. Even if he's a notch below Cam, he's going to be a heck of a player.[/quote]

I don't know when it got to the point where people interpreted the increased coverage and attention on RG3 as him being a better prospect as Luck. Kiper and McShay have even said of all the scouts they've talked to in NFL front offices only one has leaned towards saying they would take Griffin over Luck. I imagine that includes scouts from our front office. I also would guess that if Griffin was viewed in the same light as Luck St. Louis would have traded us Bradford instead of the second overall pick.

I will say this though, it's unprecedented to have two QB prospects that are this good in the same draft. Just absolutely insane.

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I have to admit I haven't watched much of either Griffin or Luck throughout their college careers, but I do think people often undervalue Griffin mentally, as far as the whole 'pro ready' thing.
I would also argue that Griffin seems a lot more confident than luck, more ready to be the face of a franchise.

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One thing that I really hope this coaching stafff does is put in some spread stuff for Griffin. And I hope they have him in Shotgun most of the time. That's what he's good at so adjust the offense to him. I'm very skeptical about that actually happening. We shall see....

Right now I'd consider taking cam Newton over any QB in the NFL not named Brady,brees or arod.. as for Griff? I'm so excited for draft day I'll scream out like it's the sb

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[quote=skinsfan69;901336]One thing that I really hope this coaching stafff does is put in some spread stuff for Griffin. And I hope they have him in Shotgun most of the time. That's what he's good at so adjust the offense to him. I'm very skeptical about that actually happening. We shall see....[/quote]

I actually think he'd be better off under center in an offense thats generally 55% run 45% pass. Using him off the bootleg is not only going to take advantage of his mobility but as I've been stressing for a while now, open up cut-back lanes for the backs as backside contain is going to be delayed figuring out if we're handing off or running a bootleg.

Either way it's hard to get a running game going in the NFL off the shotgun. I mean I'm not opposed to using it but I'm picturing an offense with a lot of movement and I think our under center formations do a better job of that.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;901337]Right now I'd consider taking cam Newton over any QB in the NFL not named Brady,brees or arod.. as for Griff? I'm so excited for draft day I'll scream out like it's the sb[/quote]

Haha I'm exactly the same. I just can't wait for him to officially be on our roster!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;901337]Right now I'd consider taking cam Newton over any QB in the NFL not named Brady,brees or arod.. as for Griff? I'm so excited for draft day I'll scream out like it's the sb[/quote]

I'm 95% sold on Newton. Theres just that little 5% of me that wonders about a potential sophmore slump.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;901343]I actually think he'd be better off under center in an offense thats generally 55% run 45% pass. Using him off the bootleg is not only going to take advantage of his mobility but as I've been stressing for a while now, open up cut-back lanes for the backs as backside contain is going to be delayed figuring out if we're handing off or running a bootleg.

Either way it's hard to get a running game going in the NFL off the shotgun. I mean I'm not opposed to using it but I'm picturing an offense with a lot of movement and I think our under center formations do a better job of that.[/quote]

I agree with the bootlegs. But if I recall Denver and Carolina ran the ball a lot out of shotgun with the play action stuff. I'd like to see that in there as well.