Re: Goodbye Kyle?
 

Good lord, this drama is starting to sound alot like Cerrato is back in charge.

Re: Goodbye Kyle?
 

[quote=VTSkins1961;1049185][B]I disagree. Mike is out an make no mistakes about it. Mike and RG3 have issues working with each other.[/B] [B]Mike and Snyder have issues[/B].... do the math. push come to shove Snyder would fire him but I think the negotiate an out.[/quote]

I think your wrong about that.

Re: Goodbye Kyle?
 

[quote=VTSkins1961;1049185]I disagree. Mike is out an make no mistakes about it. Mike and RG3 have issues working with each other. Mike and Snyder have issues.... do the math. push come to shove Snyder would fire him but I think the negotiate an out.[/quote]

Insert Kyle for Mike and you're on to something.

Re: Goodbye Kyle?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1049412]... But you've got guys in sales, marketing, etc. who are just difficult people to work with/for. And, look I'm not saying they're the leaks, I'm just saying there are people in that building that I just don't trust.[/quote]

That is disheartening to hear. As I understood it, Cerrato encouraged these types of attitudes within the organization through his own blame shifting ways. When he was fired, and I praised the "culture change" that I believed Mike Shanahan and B. Allen were bringing to the organization. Unfortunately, whether half truths or not, it appears there are some [I]elements[/I] of truth to some of the various leaks about Kyle & Mike's motives.

Thus, while it seems obvious that Mike brought in "team" players and changed the culture of the locker room, it appears the deeper cancer within the organization has not been cured. In light of recent disclosures about Kyle and Mike, it appears that individuals who lack integrity, seek to shift blame and protect themselves by stabbing others in the back are still able to ply their through a lack of integrity. Certainly, Mike and Kyle have both been, at a minimum, disingenuous about their motives and by doing so demonstrate an organizational lack of integrity ("Hey, I am trying to be honest with you. I don't normally do that.").

My question is ... does DS know he has untrustworthy people working for him? Does he care? For these people, is all that matters to Dan that they "produce" in their specific line of responsibility (i.e. they are great marketers but backstabbing, lying SOB's)?

Mike may have fixed the integrity of the locker room, but it appears he has continued business as usual throughout the rest of the institutional structure. If true, this is on Snyder. The lack of institutional integrity will torpedo any organization and, ultimately, ensuring the Skin's institutional integrity is the responsibility of the Snyder.

Re: Goodbye Kyle?
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1049486]That is disheartening to hear. As I understood it, Cerrato encouraged these types of attitudes within the organization through his own blame shifting ways. When he was fired, and I praised the "culture change" that I believed Mike Shanahan and B. Allen were bringing to the organization. Unfortunately, whether half truths or not, it appears there are some [I]elements[/I] of truth to some of the various leaks about Kyle & Mike's motives.

Thus, while it seems obvious that Mike brought in "team" players and changed the culture of the locker room, it appears the deeper cancer within the organization has not been cured. In light of recent disclosures about Kyle and Mike, it appears that individuals who lack integrity, seek to shift blame and protect themselves by stabbing others in the back are still able to ply their through a lack of integrity. Certainly, Mike and Kyle have both been, at a minimum, disingenuous about their motives and by doing so demonstrate an organizational lack of integrity ("Hey, I am trying to be honest with you. I don't normally do that.").

My question is ... does DS know he has untrustworthy people working for him? Does he care? For these people, is all that matters to Dan that they "produce" in their specific line of responsibility (i.e. they are great marketers but backstabbing, lying SOB's)?

Mike may have fixed the integrity of the locker room, but it appears he has continued business as usual throughout the rest of the institutional structure. If true, this is on Snyder. The lack of institutional integrity will torpedo any organization and, ultimately, ensuring the Skin's institutional integrity is the responsibility of the Snyder.[/quote]

Amazingly it actually is better even outside the locker room, just shows how bad it once was.

I think Snyder is aware that some people in his organization, while great at their assigned jobs, probably aren't going to win any congeniality awards. But he may not know the lengths they go to.

I've been approached a handful of times about joining that organization, and every time I meet with them I come away thinking it's really an every man for himself mentality there.

Re: Goodbye Kyle?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1049492]Amazingly it actually is better even outside the locker room, just shows how bad it once was.

I think Snyder is aware that some people in his organization, while great at their assigned jobs, probably aren't going to win any congeniality awards. But he may not know the lengths they go to.

I've been approached a handful of times about joining that organization, and every time I meet with them [b]I come away thinking it's really an every man for himself mentality there[/B].[/quote]

<sigh> That just royally sucks. Until that changes, it seems to me the best we can hope for is mediocrity - doesn't matter who coaches the team.

Re: Goodbye Kyle?
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1049494]<sigh> That just royally sucks. Until that changes, it seems to me the best we can hope for is mediocrity - doesn't matter who coaches the team.[/quote]

It's a chicken or egg situation in some ways. These issues, at the very least, get buried when we're winning. But at the same time they play a big role in why we don't win more often

Re: Goodbye Kyle?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1049347]It's-forgive me here-a bunch of half-truths[/quote]

Even with half truths, there is still a lot to be concerned about there.

Re: Goodbye Kyle?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1049504]It's a chicken or egg situation in some ways. These issues, at the very least, get buried when we're winning. But at the same time they play a big role in why we don't win more often[/quote]

Why doesnt someone recognize this and take action? Whose the responsible party to do that?


How come Im starting to feel like Shanny returns next year?

Re: Goodbye Kyle?
 

Why don't the sales and marketing people work over in Landover? That way they're away from the football people. Real simply process...the football people work one place, the sales people work in another place. Or they might already do that...

Re: Goodbye Kyle?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1049507]Why don't the sales and marketing people work over in Landover? That way they're away from the football people. Real simply process...the football people work one place, the sales people work in another place. Or they might already do that...[/quote]

Some work at Landover, but most work at Redskins Park. Just like it would be for any NFL team

Re: Goodbye Kyle?
 

[quote=Chico23231;1049506]Why doesnt someone recognize this and take action? Whose the responsible party to do that?


How come Im starting to feel like Shanny returns next year?[/quote]

I don't think Shanny comes back next year, but I think he and Snyder are in a game of chicken right now

As to the first part of the question, I don't know. Ultimately it's about deciding if you want to be a football team or a business. I mean every football team is a business. Some, like the Steelers, have historically been able to make a winning football team the primary driver of their business. But when you lose, you have to take other measures..and that's when it gets uncomfortable for all parties.

The first thing I would do is make Bruce Allen the President of the team. He's got the know how to do it. Put him firmly in charge of the organization, all aspects of it and let him hire the people he wants to make the team and the business better.

Re: Goodbye Kyle?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1049510]I don't think Shanny comes back next year, but I think he and Snyder are in a game of chicken right now

As to the first part of the question, I don't know. Ultimately it's about deciding if you want to be a football team or a business. I mean every football team is a business. Some, like the Steelers, have historically been able to make a winning football team the primary driver of their business. But when you lose, you have to take other measures..and that's when it gets uncomfortable for all parties.

[B]The first thing I would do is make Bruce Allen the President of the team. He's got the know how to do it. Put him firmly in charge of the organization, all aspects of it and let him hire the people he wants to make the team and the business better[/B].[/quote]

Totally agree.

Re: Goodbye Kyle?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1049510]The first thing I would do is make Bruce Allen the President of the team. He's got the know how to do it. Put him firmly in charge of the organization, all aspects of it and let him hire the people he wants to make the team and the business better.[/quote]


So is he inclined to hire M. Brown for GM or to bring in other people to interview for the job?

Re: Goodbye Kyle?
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1049513]So is he inclined to hire M. Brown for GM or to bring in other people to interview for the job?[/quote]

Well you know that I, and others (mainly others) have heard that it's Brown's job to lose or give up. But I'd like to think Allen has other people in mind.

And I mean maybe Brown would be great at the job. I'm just not totally convinced